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@  Paladin : (22 May 2017 - 11:43 AM)

where's GALVATRON in MP form dammit?! he didn't even get in for the anniversary year...

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 May 2017 - 11:35 AM)

I'm still waiting on the rest of the Dinobots.

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 11:24 AM)

The Decepticon MP cassettes are probably my favorite MP figures so far. Fantastic little dudes.

@  Bass X0 : (22 May 2017 - 11:23 AM)

I want a Masterpiece Blaster if only because I'm fond of the Masterpiece cassettes and want Takara to make more. They should also do Slugfest and Overkill since they were in the cartoon too, even if it was only very briefly.

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 11:21 AM)

I just want the Chip figure. The only Autobot cars I have or want are G2 Sideswipe and Hot Rod.

@  Paladin : (22 May 2017 - 11:14 AM)

another Autobot car. "yaaaaaay."

@  Benbot : (22 May 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I haven't been this excited about a new MP since the Datsuns! He looks amazing

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 11:01 AM)

I love the little human figures with the MP line. Is it just young Spike, Future Spike, and Daniel so far?

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 11:00 AM)

And it comes with Chip Chase! I will order just for that! Holy crap!

@  Bass X0 : (22 May 2017 - 10:55 AM)

Whoo! Masterpiece Sunstreaker!

@  Anonymous X : (22 May 2017 - 10:40 AM)

Less said about the Sinclair Microdrive, the better...

@  Anonymous X : (22 May 2017 - 10:23 AM)

I had two ZX Spectrum games on cartridge. Played 'em loads as it beat having to wait ten minutes for unreliable tape loading...

@  Rycochet : (22 May 2017 - 09:25 AM)

Super Bootspork!

@  Bass X0 : (22 May 2017 - 08:45 AM)

I remember doing the same for my ZX Spectrum.

@  DeltaSeeker : (22 May 2017 - 08:40 AM)

I remember loading games on my Vic20 from an audio tape.

@  Paladin : (22 May 2017 - 08:37 AM)

anyone remember "Chex Quest?"

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 07:13 AM)

I never played those. I had, like, two-color bootleg files of Donkey Kong and stuff like that with 50 games on a disk.

@  MEDdMI : (22 May 2017 - 07:11 AM)

not pure text games, but you still had to use text input to do stuff. "PICK UP flask", etc

@  MEDdMI : (22 May 2017 - 07:05 AM)

I think those were the old King's Quest/Space Quest ones

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 07:02 AM)

I remember floppy disk games! Never gamed enough to own one that was more than a disk, though.

@  MEDdMI : (22 May 2017 - 07:01 AM)

I remember booting things from DOS, and games that were like 10 floppy disks big.

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 06:57 AM)

*dies*

@  Robowang : (22 May 2017 - 06:57 AM)

Oh man, the days of Realplayer and AIM and man, I can't believe how long ago that was.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 May 2017 - 01:00 AM)

ugh, RealMedia was pretty awful. RealPlayer was so bloated and buggy, I tried to avoid it

@  siccoyote : (22 May 2017 - 12:17 AM)

I remember downloading Realmedia episodes of Beast Wars Season 3, days after they were shown in Americ, but the quality was terrible and the guy who did it wasted half of a stereo audio track because he recorded it in mono. Took many hours to download

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 May 2017 - 09:55 PM)

Yeah, I remember those days. I had a bunch of Quicktime clips from Beasties/Beast Wars and Reboot, most of which I had to leave the computer on overnight to get, lol

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 May 2017 - 09:49 PM)

I remember when it took 3 hours to download a 240p, 2.5 minute movie trailer

@  MEDdMI : (21 May 2017 - 09:02 PM)

and there weren't any rocks yet, they were all space dust

@  MEDdMI : (21 May 2017 - 09:02 PM)

I remember when there was no internet

@  Telly : (21 May 2017 - 08:55 PM)

dont remember what it was called, but i had an internet answering machine software back in the day. turn it on when i was online and i wouldnt miss a call. would leave it off if i didnt want to be bothered though lol

@  Noideaforaname : (21 May 2017 - 08:46 PM)

Remember when it was either the phone OR internet? Remember when photos had to be developed? And if someone decided to take pictures of their eye you couldn't tell until you got the film back?

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 May 2017 - 06:02 PM)

You're making us old farts feel old!

@  Foffy : (21 May 2017 - 05:20 PM)

Not me! I couldn't have known that in 1991! I wasn't even born yet!

@  Bass X0 : (21 May 2017 - 01:03 PM)

You only just realised? Everybody else has known that since 1991.

@  unluckiness : (21 May 2017 - 10:34 AM)

Holy jeez, Guile's theme does go with anything.

@  Nevermore : (20 May 2017 - 04:34 AM)

The "humans as processors" bit was also used in season 2 of Dollhouse.

@  Pennpenn : (20 May 2017 - 04:27 AM)

I just remembered, I wonder if the scene in Thor 2 with the kids showing the abandoned building with glitchy reality was inspired by the Animatrix short that had the same concept (but could handle it more interestingly)

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 May 2017 - 03:59 AM)

That is nonsense. Also, some men in black suits and sunglasses will be arriving at your doorstep shortly. Please cooperate and it will go much easier for you.

@  Whirl Maximus : (20 May 2017 - 03:42 AM)

It's not bull, the elite are using the 90% through wifi for their Androcide agenda. Learn the undisprovable truth.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 May 2017 - 03:26 AM)

I think there was an early draft where the machines were using humans as processors with the whole "only use 10% of their brains" bull.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 May 2017 - 11:35 PM)

Wasn't there an early draft where they weren't using humans for that?

@  Pennpenn : (19 May 2017 - 10:26 PM)

Yeah, makes the Matrix seem more like a nature reserve than a source of power, and I get the feeling the whole "humans as a source of power" was done pretty much to justify the machines keeping humans around at all without making the machines seem sympathetic.

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2017 - 10:23 PM)

But after watching The Second Renaissance, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the machines still felt some lingering moral imperative to allow the human survivors of the war some kind of life rather than committing genocide. They did everything in their power to avoid the war in the first place

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2017 - 10:21 PM)

It seems like reverting to solar power would be infinitely preferable to having to maintain The Matrix and everyone hooked into it, and all the associated hardware

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2017 - 10:18 PM)

Although I think I remember hearing somewhere that the "clouds" darkening the sky are actually swarms of constantly-muliplying nanomachines? No idea if that's canon or not, but if it is it seems like that'd be something the machines themselves could figure out how to undo if they really wanted to

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2017 - 10:16 PM)

I dunno, for all their technical achievements those humans seemed just as shortsighted as in the present. And they were desperate by the time that was done, so it wouldn't surprise me if they just thought "ah, we'll figure out how to undo it later"

@  Pennpenn : (19 May 2017 - 10:00 PM)

Also gotta wonder if the humans had some idea of how they were going to fix the sky, presuming they won out, because otherwise they were basically commiting suicide out of spite and the Matrix would be the only reason humanity is still alive.

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2017 - 09:07 PM)

One of the first things I thought myself after my first time through it

@  Pennpenn : (19 May 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Every time I watch "The Second Renaissance" I get the feeling I'd probably end up getting shot for being a machine sympathizer.

@  Noideaforaname : (18 May 2017 - 10:36 PM)

Yeah, Ghostbusters. Specifically the episode where they check out the live action Hollywood "adaptation."


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#41 Benbot

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:31 AM

Hard to say.  I think for me it's probably a tie between Reveal the Shield (Takara version) and Unite Warriors.  Titans return has some great looking figures, but I'm just not a fan of the headmaster gimmick.  



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:55 AM

Classics, since I very much liked the angle that it felt like a continuation of G1 from after Action Masters, what with Bumblebee getting a new aerial backpack, Optimus having a vaguely AM-y deco with the yellow deco hits and blue going up the legs, and Megatron taking color cues from the Neutro Fusion Tank as necessitated by child safety laws, and Grimlock (while being pretty much terrible) was sort of a weird throwback to the Pretender version.  

 

Everything else felt more like a rehash than a continuation afterwards.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 12:01 PM

Animated!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:20 PM

Henkei! Henkei!  ;)




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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:51 PM

 

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt).


That was always going to be basically unavoidable with how the toyline works. ~50% of all mass retail releases are going to be redecoes. That is just a fact of life.

So let's say that we want all four of the '86 combiners to have unique limbs. If we look at the limbs, that's 16 moulds, which is two years worth of new moulds (Generations gets 16 Deluxes per year, with 7-9 brand-new moulds). So right off the bat, Combiner Wars would have to be six months longer than in reality, through to the end of 2016. Would Hasbro run a two-year toyline without a refresh nowadays? Probably not.

We also then have to increase the number of "made-up" redeco combiners relative to reality, because we now need to fill four waves with stuff that isn't the "Big Four".

Combiner Wars was mostly par for course in terms of mould reuse. But because the line encouraged the collector to purchase figures in complete sets, rather than picking and choosing the guys they liked, it meant people were simply more cognisant of the fact that half of everything was redecoes.

 

 

So are we just being spoiled with Titans Return, then? (Not being snarky, it's an honest question)

 

Because looking at the numbers, for CW I count 9 Deluxe molds and 4 Voyagers, which (only looking at the six waves of mass retail) got used for 24 Deluxe and 9 Voyager toys. Some of those molds got used four times. Whereas so far for TR we have (at least) 13 deluxe molds and five Voyager molds, for 18 and 7 toys respectively, with none of the molds being used more than twice so far.

 

Guess I'd need to look back at earlier lines for real comparison...


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:00 PM

So are we just being spoiled with Titans Return, then?
 
Because looking at the numbers, for CW I count 9 Deluxe molds and 4 Voyagers, which (only looking at the six waves of mass retail) got used for 24 Deluxe and 9 Voyager toys. Some of those molds got used four times. Whereas so far for TR we have (at least) 13 deluxe molds and five Voyager molds, for 18 and 7 toys respectively, with none of the molds being used more than twice so far.


TR stole from CW, effectively.

Things like "number of new moulds" are budgeted for on a per-year basis, rather per-line. Since TR started halfway through 2016, and since the new gimmick meant it couldn't reuse any earlier moulds, that meant it got the lion's share of 2016's new moulds, with the last six months of CW having to make do with very little.

Judging by the alternate Brawl head on the Rook mould, it seems like at some point the designers weren't sure if they'd be able to do any new CW Deluxe moulds in 2016...

EDIT: Here's a table of Generations new moulds by year to demonstrate:

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(I'm counting Chromedome and Highbrow as new moulds because they basically are.)

Broken down by year, everything stays relatively consistent.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

 

 

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt).


That was always going to be basically unavoidable with how the toyline works. ~50% of all mass retail releases are going to be redecoes. That is just a fact of life.

So let's say that we want all four of the '86 combiners to have unique limbs. If we look at the limbs, that's 16 moulds, which is two years worth of new moulds (Generations gets 16 Deluxes per year, with 7-9 brand-new moulds). So right off the bat, Combiner Wars would have to be six months longer than in reality, through to the end of 2016. Would Hasbro run a two-year toyline without a refresh nowadays? Probably not.

We also then have to increase the number of "made-up" redeco combiners relative to reality, because we now need to fill four waves with stuff that isn't the "Big Four".

Combiner Wars was mostly par for course in terms of mould reuse. But because the line encouraged the collector to purchase figures in complete sets, rather than picking and choosing the guys they liked, it meant people were simply more cognisant of the fact that half of everything was redecoes.

 

 

So are we just being spoiled with Titans Return, then? (Not being snarky, it's an honest question)

 

Because looking at the numbers, for CW I count 9 Deluxe molds and 4 Voyagers, which (only looking at the six waves of mass retail) got used for 24 Deluxe and 9 Voyager toys. Some of those molds got used four times. Whereas so far for TR we have (at least) 13 deluxe molds and five Voyager molds, for 18 and 7 toys respectively, with none of the molds being used more than twice so far.

 

Guess I'd need to look back at earlier lines for real comparison...

 

 

Not spoiled by Titans Return, but a distorted view since it's the first half of the line. There will be more new molds at the start than at the end. Wave 4 deluxes have 2 repaints and 3 new molds and wave 5 deluxe is evidently 3 repaints/remolds.

 

However, I do think CW was a little heavier on repaints/remolds than other lines. (Wasn't part of the designers getting to do a line of combiners was pointing out to Hasbro higher-ups that they'd do more mold re-use?)



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:14 PM

I keep forgetting it's multiple lines and not just one continuous line with new packaging every year or so.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:51 PM

It's hard to overstate the excitement I had for Classics when it first came out. Most of those toys hold up exceptionally well, too. There were very few clunkers. 

 

As a "filler" line, it was also very easy to collect the whole set. At the time, it seemed like this was going to be a one-and-done special event, so the "extra" figures they added through exclusives -- Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp, Devastator, Soundwave re-issue -- all felt really special. And then the Botcon set was an incredible capstone to the line. How naive we were. 

 

When Universe happened, it turned Classics from a contained, collectible line into the beginning of this huge thing. Now, we're at a point where for many the goal is to get definitive updates to every G1 toy and character, but that wasn't what Classics set out to do. Indeed, the later lines feel less like complete entities and more just opportunities to check off a list of characters we want "Classics" versions of.

 

I remember being thrilled with Devastator and the Cybertron redecos from Botcon 2007. Nobody displays the original Classics line as a solitary entity anymore, and certainly nobody kept that Devastator around as part of their Classics display. But looking at it in isolation, separate from what came afterwards, it's a great line with a lot to love. 



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:11 PM

For me, CW is my favorite, and it's not even remotely close. I've always loved combiners. CW not only gave some great updates to some of my favorite TFs, but it also elevated the combining mechanic itself. Past combiners were always a great idea, but the execution was always a mixed bag. The CW combiner joints changed combiners from something that you fiddle with long enough to get it look decent before putting on display to something you could really have fun with.

 

Then, throw in new combiners, new members for old combiners, new Legends members, etc. and it just ended up being a really satisfying line that pushed all the right buttons for me. Even now, when I've mostly cleared everything pre-CW off my desk and am starting to pack up the first couple TR waves, I have 15 CW/UW combiners sitting out, have space reserved for two more yet to come, and am tempted to try to make room for the three currently packed away. I'm left wishing they'd gone ahead and released CW versions of the last few '84 Autobots (despite being more of a Decepticon fan and normally skipping a lot of the Autobots), and I really hope PotP really does bring in the rumored Predaking, along with hopefully more beast combiners too.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:15 PM

First off, I feel that the poll really should be a mutli option thing, because I cannot say that I like one line above another.

 

I can't really compare lines because much of the figures I've collected from the classics/TFU/Generations/CW/TR have been great with a few missteps along the way, good example of this would be TFU Galvatron, that figure is a mess, looks good but clearly idiots at Hasbro said to shink it down from voyager to deluxe and look how well that turned out. The more resent Galvatron figure would been prefect if he didn't have the Headmaster gimmick or Titan master, whichever you prefer, me, its Headmaster. I think the best Deluxe I've seen in terms of engineering has to be War for Cybertron Optimus prime, complex yes but he turns into something pretty awesome. I think the figure I kind of regret getting would be Titan Class Metroplex, simply because he is FAR To large, thus I will not be getting his upcoming rival or the Fortress Maximus figure, thou Scamper that comes with Metroplex is a lot more fun to play with. The current run of the scout sized figures (or legends as they go by today) are some of the best figures I've gotten and I'm pretty pleased with. The thing with Combiner Wars that kind of surprised me was the fact Hasbro didn't use this line as an excuse to rerelease older combiners such as RID Build team and Team bullet train, their pretty good figures.

 

The seeker deluxe mould, is ok and a poduct of the time of release, seeing the Classics line was meant to be just a one off line to fill in the space between the end of Cybertron and the debut of the first movie line and I expect Hasbro didn't expect that to be as popluar as it was, the classics line was the line where I really started collecting TFs in serious manner and since then I've gotten loads of TFs in various sizes and colours. The resent leader class seekers I've passed on because, first off, their just retools of Jetfire/Skyfire and secondly I rather see the seekers as Voyager figures so that they fit in nicely with other figures in my collection. At the mo, there not really many figures that exicte me anymore, it might because my love of TF is waning but then again I've not watched a single ep of this current RID show, the animation from the trailer simply put me off along with the fact they brand it a sequel to Prime and I expect a sequel to be done in the same kind of animation style as Prime or superior animation not inferior animation, thus the only TF stuff I watch of late is main stop motion from Youtube and there are some great videos out there that put Bay's films to shame (solely my view).

 

Anyway, going back to the main subject, I really like a lot of the figures from the classics style lines, they have more heart in them than most of the movie figures do, because every figure has a bit of charm about them that make them stand out, thou I think some of the best would be those with light piping, it really gives life to the figures, while the actual movie figures, from what I've gotten, don't really have the same kind of charm about them, sure I have a few in my collection but I have focused more on the Generations/classics/TFU lines than the movie ones, of course I have begun sharing my love of TF figures a bit with my young nephew and I let him play with some of the legends figures but never my third party ones, he working on mastering the transformations of some of those figures but he only 4 so it takes time.

 

As for the future, I don't really know, I'm thinking of getting Overlord and Skyshadow leader class figures, I hope Skyshadow get retooled into Thunderwing, I hope to see some other combiners from G1 in the future and maybe another Optimus prime who compatable with CW figures, Hasbro I think hit the right mark more or less with CW combining means, its simple yet effective, thou I would like to see maybe a extra panel or something that hides the combining port on the legs of the combined mode, so they don't come out so easily unless you want them to come out. I also would like to see a new seeker mould but as voyager class, its high time Starscream and company took their rightful place in the size scale.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:55 PM

I have trouble picking an overall winner too, but that's kind of expected when the thread is about picking a favorite, which by definition is "preferred before all others".

I suppose one could note that this is the perfect question to ask whenever fans whine about Hasbro "not listening." They haven't just been listening, but their responses have taken the form of so many awesome iterations of expression that it's nigh-impossible to pick the best one.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:58 AM

As much as I love Combiner Wars (Titans Returns is closely after that), I have to give it to Classics. Nothing gave me that level of excitement and joy as that line did when it started.

 

This is pretty much my thoughts exactly.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 10:26 AM

I'd love for Generations to pick up the Action Masters ethos of the 60/40 new characters/old characters split.  Not gonna happen, but it'd hit that G1 nostalgia point for me better than just infinite versions of dudes I already have, and give a sense of an outwardly expanding G1 universe that hasn't really been around for quite some time.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:30 AM

I'd love for Generations to pick up the Action Masters ethos of the 60/40 new characters/old characters split.  Not gonna happen, but it'd hit that G1 nostalgia point for me better than just infinite versions of dudes I already have, and give a sense of an outwardly expanding G1 universe that hasn't really been around for quite some time.

 In theory, I'd like that, too, but in practice, it needs to be made up of characters I know and enjoy for me to want any of the new faces. This is why Generations does so well, I think. I remember during the post-ROTF days, when original characters like Terradive and Tomahawk were coming out, and people were raving about what great figures they were, and my gut reaction was "I don't know or care about who they are." Meanwhile, slap a Springer head and deco on Tomahawk, and I'm there.

 

So, I guess if they were going to add more non-G1 releases, they'd have to be drawn from or added to the IDW comics, or some other media, and be well-written to get me interested.

 

So, basically what Thrilling 30 did.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:35 AM

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:17 PM

Actual bios would go a long way to help that.  As in, like, more than two sentences just telling me what awesome stuff whatever guy does instead of who he is.  I know that's, like, anathema these days, but in a franchise supposedly driven by characters, it's good to have, um, character.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:04 PM

Actual bios would go a long way to help that.  As in, like, more than two sentences just telling me what awesome stuff whatever guy does instead of who he is.  I know that's, like, anathema these days, but in a franchise supposedly driven by characters, it's good to have, um, character.

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Including bios on the pack-in comics was one of the best things in the Combiner Wars series. We just needed more of them.



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Posted 19 February 2017 - 06:32 AM

Well, QT/QTF gave us my favourite seeker mould, my favourite Ironhide/Ratchet mould, one of my favourite Optimus Prime moulds, and pretty much every release makes me smile like a goon; so I'm going to have to side with these tiny bundles of love:

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 09:19 AM

I do love that Ironhide and his angry little face.


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