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@  Evac : (27 March 2017 - 09:01 PM)

True, but IIRC Spike had more screen time during Costa's run.

@  Rycochet : (27 March 2017 - 07:31 PM)

AHM deserves some of the blame for Spike, McCarthy was the one who made him the unlikeable army guy in the first place and had Optimus go 'Oh Spike, you're so manly, earth needs you. We should totally be best friends now!' 'No, it doesn't matter how hard you fought to save Earth or how many of your own kind were killed offpanel, we can never be friends with you so begone! Now, if you don't mind, I have a prisoner of war to drive about in and nurses to boink.'

@  Evac : (27 March 2017 - 06:05 PM)

AHM was bad, yeah, but I feel Costa was worse. Spike is the absolute worst character in the IDW comics, which really sucks since I like cartoon Spike.

@  Dracula : (27 March 2017 - 05:22 PM)

I haven't read AHM but as I understand it's very "story beats taken from Budiansky bios"

@  Telly : (27 March 2017 - 05:18 PM)

was referring more to how he was suspected of being a traitor in g1. and dreamwave. and 2001 rid. it was sarcastic, hence the :rolleyes  lol

@  Rycochet : (27 March 2017 - 05:10 PM)

Don't expect major events to be forshadowed.

@  Telly : (27 March 2017 - 04:57 PM)

wow! what a twist! mirage is suspected of being a traitor! :rolleyes

@  Telly : (27 March 2017 - 04:49 PM)

yeah im only on issue 4 and its only been like 30 minutes since i started. lots of splash pages and very little dialog

@  unitremover : (27 March 2017 - 04:47 PM)

I read it for the first time about a year ago and my main problem with it was just how little content there seemed to be in the individual issues. I remember thinking that it took probably three issues before I felt like it had really delivered a "proper" issue's worth of story.

@  Telly : (27 March 2017 - 04:33 PM)

id rather read about the galaxy-wide war than yet another story on earth. thats one of the things i loved about formerly r.i.d. but when they went back before combiner wars i lost interest. i read til all are one because of this.

@  Rycochet : (27 March 2017 - 04:24 PM)

It's one of those stories that gets slightly better with age because you know that IDW comics recover, but at the time it was a massive step back, a complex universe where the war was being fought across the galaxy swept away offpanel and replaced by n episode of the cartoon with blood..And there's a fan character we were told we were going to love, inserted to lecture the Autobots.

@  Bass X0 : (27 March 2017 - 04:12 PM)

Its not a bad story really, but then I've read actual bad TF event stories by IDW that came later. There is one major turnabout that happens off panel with no explanation that should have been addressed better though.

@  Telly : (27 March 2017 - 04:08 PM)

im about to start reading all hail megatron. wish me luck...

@  RC85747 : (27 March 2017 - 03:56 PM)

Bow to the evil unicorn

@  RichardT1977 : (27 March 2017 - 03:55 PM)

The G1 film had multiple good songs.

@  Dracula : (27 March 2017 - 03:37 PM)

he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed

@  Robowang : (27 March 2017 - 03:36 PM)

he's fat.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 March 2017 - 02:39 PM)

What do y'all think of Shrek?

@  Evac : (27 March 2017 - 01:51 PM)

Put down that chainsaw and listen to me! It's time for us to join in the fight!

@  Evac : (27 March 2017 - 01:51 PM)

At least the G1 film had one good song.

@  Boomhauer : (27 March 2017 - 01:27 PM)

I think I'd rather take neither, because ROTF being awful doesn't magically make the G1 Film stop being terrible.

@  Bass X0 : (27 March 2017 - 12:56 PM)

I'll take a children's movie where everyone talks like Wreck-Gar over a children's movie that has dog sex, masturbation, drugs, golden showers and enemy scrotum.

@  Rycochet : (27 March 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Oh-ee-yay! Talespin!

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 March 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Superman.....

@  Sabrblade : (27 March 2017 - 09:27 AM)

"I... am not... a gun."

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:42 PM)

Another great 90's animated film is, of course, The Iron Giant.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Another thing I liked about The Prince of Egypt was that it explained (without even having to say it outright) why Moses was chosen to deliver the Israelites from Egypt. Someone who had been raised among the slaves would have had too much bitterness and would want to go in throwing the wrath of God on all the Egyptians (or at least the royal family) until they all burned alive. But Moses had been raised as a member of the royal family, so he still thought of them as family. He wanted to reach a peaceful solution if at all possible.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:04 PM)

"I know! I'll turn him into a flea. A harmless little flea, and then I'll put that flea in a box, and then put that box inside of another box, and when it arrives - AHAHAHA! I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH! It's brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT, I tell you! Genius, I say!"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:03 PM)

Hell, The Emperor's New Groove is easily the funniest animated film ever. Disney managed to do what Dreamworks tried to do, and they did it right.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

None of their "funny" movies are anywhere near as funny as Aladdin or The Emperor's New Groove.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Its a pity Dreamworks devolved into a company that churned out "funny" films filled with pop culture references.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:00 PM)

(also at the end of that scene, the camera pans up from the Egyptian skyline to the night sky and the most prominent constellation is Orion. Which the Egyptians associated with Osiris)

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

Yeah I give them full credit for treating the Last Plague with all the solemness it deserves.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

It freed the Israelites, but Moses sure hated seeing what it did to his brother and all the normal non-slave owning people who didn't do anything wrong to the Israelites.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:58 PM)

And it actually portrays God murdering children as a tragic thing, something most other adaptations disturbingly don't do.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:57 PM)

So that what He told Moses becomes, "I'll lay the smackdown on Egypt, but I should warn you it's only gonna make Rameses dig in his heels more until I have no choice but to break him fully."

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:56 PM)

It also describes the "hardening of the Pharoah's heart" as his natural reaction to the plagues rather than an intentional mental override by God.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:54 PM)

Hell, it actually portrays the Plagues as something that's bad and treats most of the Egyptian people as not deserving that shit. "All the innocent who suffer from your stubbornness and pride" and all that.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I'm a Christian, but Prince of Egypt is one of the few religious movies I'll willingly watch, because it's actually good instead of being self-rightous preachy nonsense, batshit crazy propaganda or schmaltzy trash. It also has a great soundtrack with music that I actually put up there with some of Disney's best stuff.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:45 PM)

Dreamworks's best movies will always be the Dragons movies and The Prince of Egypt.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

Usually I'm willing to give animated films a go, but I have to agree this looked pretty terrible and I had no desire to see it

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

So it's the new "Bee Movie?"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:16 PM)

Calling it now: it'll be a meme in ten years.

@  Paladin : (26 March 2017 - 02:07 PM)

every single person who said "yes" to BOSS BABY should be smacked. repeatedly. with adamantium.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 06:02 AM)

Yeah, I don't sync my Twitter since it's irrelevant to a TF forum and sometimes NSFW.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 06:00 AM)

Ah, okay. I... don't know if that's a good idea or not. I post a lot of cats.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:50 AM)

I believe it will auto post anything you put on Twitter/Facebook to the Status section on the main forum page?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:41 AM)

And I totally miss Krispy Kreme. I mean, they're still around here, but nowhere I don't have to go well out of my way for any more. =(

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:40 AM)

"i think you can sync profiles from both to this site." Not clear on what that means.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:04 AM)

:D I'm glad I have people and sheep who are willing to eat doughnuts for me.


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#21 Msol

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:25 AM

Man, I totally forgot about Straxus. K, changing my vote. Thanks, thread!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:00 AM

While the 'all G1, all the time' character selection is tiresome, had to give it to the 'Prime Wars' era for daring to make homage toys with fun, playable gimmicks.

Designed-in interactions between toys are my jam, and in Titans Return, any given pair of figures (other than two Legends) has at least one interactive play feature, and possibly more! Any future Generations lines that don't involve tiny people who can stand on and sit in stuff will automatically be a disappointment.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:52 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

That said, I'm going with Prime Wars Trilogy (a.k.a. Combiner Wars/Titans Return/Power of the Primes).

It gave me my two favorite G1 "gimmicks" (Combiners and Headmasters) while unceremoniously dumping the ones that resonated with me the least (Targetmasters and Powermasters).

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:05 AM

The question's a tough one.

 

If it was just "which is the best line?" It would be easy, with the Prime Wars trilogy. But favourite?

 

I have to go with Classics, if for no other reason than nostalgia. It was the time I started getting back into Transformers. And had designs like voyager Optimus, Jetfire, and Megatron, or deluxe Bee, Ramjet, and Mirage.

 

All of which are still amazing moulds, even today.

 

And then there's the packaging. The bright red backgrounds, with the metallic framing. And the "flip for robot mode" section on the front was a great idea.

 

Oh, and it brought back rubsigns.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:38 AM

Universe (2008) had Ratchet, Ravage, Dinobot, AND Hot Shot.

 

....i'm not sure any of those are on anybody's favorite toys list, though



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:54 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

It's about eras, aesthetics, and brands, not "continuity families" or whatever. It becomes kinda obvious even from a fiction-centric perspective when you consider FoC and Armada Starscream; they're both characters who are not IDW Starscream, who got Gens toys in this block that got repurposed into IDW Starscream. Rattrap and Waspinator got a new look in IDW to effectively not match the new toys, effectively leaving them to the Beast Wars characters.

 

The big difference with the FoC guys was that they weren't redesigned into Earth-based alt modes and stayed quite slavish to their fictional designs ... which is also true of Armada Starscream. I could see the point argued on the beasts, who were subtly redesigned, but much, much more subtly than most of the IDW-originating guys. 

 

Again ... T30 was the GenerationSest. There's nothing special about the FoC guys except that there were a lot of them and they weren't G1. Until they were, since the non-combiners were all repurposed into IDW anyway.

 

You could argue that the Gens guys sold under Movie brands were in a similar position, but ... you'd be making a silly argument, because the aesthetic lines were very distinct, there were only two of them to sort out, etc.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:05 AM

Diaclone Reboot.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:10 AM

I personally include the WFC/FoC molds as neo-G1 toys for reasons both intuitive (look at them!) and official (IDW adopting a great number of their designs). Plus, in Generations 2010 they make up a pretty small percentage of the line (whereas neo-G1 toys quickly took over RtS) and pre-T30 FoC toys were the "Classics" of that time period.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:37 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

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#31 sparkasylum

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

I really enjoyed Universe 1.0, but not sure it counts as much as a "Neo-G1" line.

 

Combiner Wars is my favorite. Even if there were some shortcoming, full combiner teams with articulation and scrambling, plus some bonuses like Legends add-ons... it's what I personally wanted.

 

I think it's interesting to think of "trimming the fat" from CW and look at what the line would look like if you used some CW & some UW. The excess repaints/remolds and substitute characters could be gone if someone wanted a "G1"-focused CW collection and had just:

 

-Devastator

-Superion (sans Alpha Bravo, with Slingshot & Powerglide)

-Menasor (sans Off Road, with Wildrider & Blackjack)

-Defensor (sans Rook, with deluxe Groove)

-UW Bruticus (+ CW/Japanese Legends Shockwave)

-UW Computron

-Legends Bombshell

-Leader Ultra Magnus

-Leader Megatron

 

With that restricted line up(2 Leaders, 11 voyagers, 20 deluxes, 4 Legends) there are:

-An entire unique Titan mold of 6 "voyagers"

-2 unique leader molds

-4 unique legends molds

-No repainted voyager torsos, but 3 unique molds and 2 heavy remolds

-11 unique deluxe molds, 5 heavy remolds, 2 minor remolds(Vortex, Afterburner), and 2 repaints with new heads(Slinsghot & Wildrider), Plus you could still add in Rook, one of the best CW deluxe molds as a 6th heavy remold.

 

Adding in CW Liokaiser would make another unique voyager torso but also 4 deluxe repaints with new heads.

 

That is throwing out some of the newer/non-G1 stuff I know some people love, but you could do it around another way too. Just trying to illustrate one does not have to be forced to be completist and then if so, a "cream of the crop" of Combiner Wars could be assembled and it'd minimize some of the complaints of mold re-use and limb similarity but this restricted collection would still be quite a hefty one.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:25 AM

The "Repaint Wars" mentality has always annoyed me.

For the entirety of 2015, the proportion of new moulds was entirely average (and then you had the reshells on top, which we never had before). And the last six months were only redeco-heavy because Titans Return unavoidably had to take up most of 2016's allowance for new moulds.

Of course, if you start counting boxsets and stuff, then you've got lots more mould reuse, but those were an extra thing - it's not like we ever got multiple $100 boxsets full of new moulds in the past.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:53 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:36 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

And the fiction, my god the fiction. EVERYBODY wanted to end their story with "and then they became combiners." Ugh

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:45 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:49 AM

Yeah, the necessities of the gimmick meant that Deluxes tended to end up with one of a few general silhouettes, apart from the actual mold reuse, which managed to make it look a lot worse than it actually was. And necessary or not, ending with a bunch of repaints when they ran out of new molds didn't make things look better. 

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.

I'm just glad you added Rook back in in the footnote. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:04 AM

All of these lines were pretty good, but on the balance, I've got to go with Thrilling 30. I feel like it really hit the "sweet spot" in terms of dealing with their reduced budget, they created sculpts that radiated personality, the eclectic character selection was great, the visual tie-ins to IDW at a time when it was (and still is) some of the best TF fiction were also appreciated. Plus, four of my favorite figures ever are from this line (Springer, Arcee, Swerve, Armada Starscream) and they're all my favorites because of their expressive sculpts and solid, playable construction.

 

FoC isn't really my favorite (So I'm a bit miffed it was lumped in with T30) but it was one of the few times I ever went completist on anything, collecting all of the data discs and their masters. I still consider them to be nifty as a set, better-scaled to my collection than the TR stuff, and I firmly maintain that if for some reason they ever made more of them, I'd grab them. Plus, personally, FoC and T30 together are the first, and so far only time, I was able to grab a complete set of the original three seekers.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:10 AM

My thoughts

 

Universe - As others have said...not really a Neo-G1 line. The hidden backstory was pretty cool, but I pretty much ignored this line. What was on the shelf at the same time? Armada? Energon? Those were the figures I was collecting.

 

Alternators - I remember one of the most exciting moments in fandom for me in those days was seeing the first test shots for Masterpiece Prime and Alt Smokescreen. I ended up owning just a few Alternators, but I really enjoyed the storyline that came with the Binaltech line.

 

Classics - I obsessed constantly over that original lineup of six figures, and it was one of the first waves of TF toys that I bought in its entirety, all at once. This was also the first TF line that I collected 100%, down to the Minicons and clunky stuff like the Ultimate Battle set. Stuff like Jetfire's helmet really blew my mind at the time.

 

Universe (2008) - Easily the worst. Fail after fail with stuff like Galvatron, Ironhide, Octane...I didn't like having just one of the '86 Combiner guys, and I didn't even really like some of the better-received molds of the line like the Lambo twins or the Datsuns. The Beast Wars homage figures were awful. The only toy I kept from this line was Cyclonus, and even he has a replacement on my shelves.

 

Generations (2010/RtS) - Maybe the best for sheer choice of characters. Lots of unusual stuff coming out, with a mixture of post-movie guys that could possibly fit into a G1 shelf, some late-G1 dudes like Thunderwing, and others that had never gotten a toy before (Darkmount). RtS ramped it up even more with wins like Wreck-Gar, Jazz, and Tracks. PLUS: this was the first of these lines that had a line-wide play pattern in the c-joint accessories. And that was just a taste.

 

Generations (FoC/T30) - This was around the time I started reading IDW again, and this was also the time that Hasbro started releasing more and more figures that were tied into the IDW designs, so it felt right. Lots of great stuff from this range, including an update to my boy Skids (and I do love that figure). We got our first Titan. And Springer. And Arcee. And some great Beast Wars homages. My main complaint about this time was the lack of interaction between figures - they all felt sorta randomly selected, and even Metroplex felt like he was made for a different toyline. But...

 

Combiner Wars - With this I finally felt like I was collecting a toyline. What an awesome time to be a fan. Any complaint that could be said about CW was obliterated by how much fun I was having with the figures. This line hit the perfect sweet spot of detail and complexity. I loved having a few new characters tossed into the old combiners. Absolutely no complaints.

 

Titans Return - And just when I thought it couldn't get any better. Not only does the play pattern speak soothing words directly into my brain, but most of these characters are perfect updates to G1 toys that I've never had the chance to play with, so it's like getting better versions of childhood grails. Fort Max is a bit of a mixed bag but having a base for the little dudes makes up for it. There's some flaws like QC issues and unpainted Titan Masters, but none has been enough to dampen my enthusiasm. Best line ever. Period.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:14 AM

I love Universe 1.0 enough to have a complete set, which is a ridiculous amount of Prowls; but I can't justify counting it in this poll. Nothing about it says Neo-G1 to me, regardless of a few repaints in the line. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:33 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt).


That was always going to be basically unavoidable with how the toyline works. ~50% of all mass retail releases are going to be redecoes. That is just a fact of life.

So let's say that we want all four of the '86 combiners to have unique moulds. If we look at the limbs, that's 16 moulds, which is two years worth of new moulds (Generations gets 16 Deluxes per year, with 7-9 brand-new moulds). So right off the bat, Combiner Wars would have to be six months longer than in reality, through to the end of 2016. Would Hasbro run a two-year toyline without a refresh nowadays? Probably not.

We also then have to increase the number of "made-up" redeco combiners relative to reality, because we now need to fill four waves with stuff that isn't the "Big Four".

Combiner Wars was mostly par for course in terms of mould reuse. But because the line encouraged the collector to purchase figures in complete sets, rather than picking and choosing the guys they liked, it meant people were simply more cognisant of the fact that half of everything was redecoes.

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