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@  Bass X0 : (22 June 2017 - 05:47 PM)

No. We still say miles. Kilometers is only really used for actual specific distances whereas miles being used in a common phrase is still miles.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 June 2017 - 04:59 PM)

People from outside the U.S.: as we are all English-proficient here, do you ever use the phrase "I saw it coming from miles away.", or do you say "kilometers" instead?

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:06 PM)

Wow, that was supposed to :shout" hours ago...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:05 PM)

Indeed. Especially on opening week. We're talking avg, 5-8%. It's more at your discount/sub-run houses.

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 June 2017 - 10:25 AM)

AMC knows it, freakin $7 for a regular drink

@  Paladin : (22 June 2017 - 08:22 AM)

and if you want to support your theaters, buy more concessions. because they get SHIT from the ticket sales...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:15 AM)

So, we charged an extra $1 per. F'em

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:13 AM)

First, they threatened to stop sending us digital because we weren't upcharging for it (back when we were still "mixed" format). Then they threatened to stop sendingus 3D because we didn't upcharge for those either initially.

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:12 AM)

Can't blame the theater totally for those ticket prices. The studios have a say in them as well.

@  Noideaforaname : (22 June 2017 - 12:00 AM)

Charge 'em for the lice! Extra for the mice! Two percent for looking in the mirror twice!

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 11:45 PM)

Even here in Canada where price gouging is commonplace, IMAX 3-D is still $19.50

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 11:44 PM)

$27 a ticket? That's ludicrous

@  Sean Whitmore : (21 June 2017 - 11:40 PM)

I gave up on IMAX this year. I was just about able to put up with $20 per ticket, but by the time the new Kong came out, my theater started charging $27 per. They must be outside their damn minds.

@  unitremover : (21 June 2017 - 10:50 PM)

I paid for a ticket to a 2D showing but they showed it in 3D anyways for some reason. I think me taking an Ibuprofen before I went for other reasons is the only reason I didn't walk out with a massive headache.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 10:38 PM)

One thing I'll give Bay and/or the promoters of this film... I like how they've advertised on the poster that this was actually shot with real, IMAX 3-D cameras. I wish the marketing of other films exhibited a similar interest in the quality of the equipment used. Hell, for some films, being visually interesting is about all they have going for them

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 10:35 PM)

I assume the Autobots will be even bigger assholes in this one, especially Optimus

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 10:35 PM)

I have my ticket to see it in IMAX this Saturday... looking forward to another bizarre, 3 hour spectacle of something or other

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Bay already said he won't do another... but what does a persons word mean these days anyway. Doesn't really matter how bad the movies are (or aren't. You know, whatever floats your goat.) so long as they make money. And his flicks do make money.

@  Telly : (21 June 2017 - 06:12 PM)

maybe this one will do poor enough that theyll have to rethink their entire strategy going forward. and hopefully this WILL be bays last one (specially if it does do poorly). well, rethink after bumblebee anyway

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2017 - 06:07 PM)

Yeah... the reception for the movie has been... mixed to poor to say the least. Thanksfully, I gave up on the bayverse films after the first one.

@  Telly : (21 June 2017 - 05:46 PM)

well theres SOMETHING showing in movie theaters. whether it can actually be CALLED a "movie" seems to be debatable

@  Patchouli Kn... : (21 June 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Oh, is the new movie out?

@  Dracula : (21 June 2017 - 05:41 PM)

I got a rock.

@  Xellos : (21 June 2017 - 05:31 PM)

BB here

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 June 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Who here got a Bumblebee shirt and who got the Optimus shirt at the premiere?

@  Nevermore : (21 June 2017 - 02:50 PM)

"Bowdlerizing" basically means censorship, in the "removing anything the person in charge of the editing considers unsuitable for children" sense.

@  Foffy : (21 June 2017 - 01:38 PM)

Sorry, not sure what happened there. Shout edited; link should work now.

@  Robowang : (21 June 2017 - 01:29 PM)

So bowdlerizing is sending someone to a 404 link?

@  Foffy : (21 June 2017 - 09:49 AM)

http://tvtropes.org/...Main/Bowdlerise

@  Robowang : (21 June 2017 - 09:46 AM)

What the hell is "bowdlerlize"?

@  unluckiness : (21 June 2017 - 08:39 AM)

Language evolves. As long as enough people know what the other's talking about, they'll use whatever term's handy despite incorrect etymology or meaning.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 June 2017 - 06:48 AM)

Just saying, it doesn't suggest that Xanatos "changed the face of cartoon villainy", which would require something like influence of Xanatos himself on cartoons in general. His name being used as a shorthand on the internet isn't really relevant to this, especially when it's not about his fame specifically.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (21 June 2017 - 05:36 AM)

The English language is a bit like that, though. We know what it means to bowdlerize something, even if very few of us remember Thomas Bowdler.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 June 2017 - 01:58 AM)

The Grandfather Clause page outright says that Xanatos Gambit is kept at that name not because Xanatos is super famous and influential but simply because the term itself is used a lot on the internet.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 June 2017 - 01:53 AM)

The site's had a history of being weirdly biased to naming things after specific examples even when it's not the best choice, though it used to be worse (i.e. Spikeification)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 June 2017 - 01:49 AM)

TVT's naming choice is hardly proof of that a character "changed the face of cartoon villainy".

@  RichardT1977 : (20 June 2017 - 10:47 PM)

I'd say he's second only to the Big Bad of "Watchmen" in that regard (younger fans sometimes check out this website, and I'd rather not spoil his identity until they're old enough to read the comic).

@  RichardT1977 : (20 June 2017 - 10:46 PM)

Proving just how much Xanatos changed the face of cartoon villainy.

@  Sean Whitmore : (20 June 2017 - 10:28 PM)

My favorite trope is "Xanatos Gsmbit", but my favorite name for a trope is "Xanatos Speed Chess"

@  Paladin : (20 June 2017 - 04:19 PM)

they're good dogs, Dracula.

@  Dracula : (20 June 2017 - 01:33 PM)

I quite like "All Animals Are Dogs"

@  RichardT1977 : (20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM)

Mine would be the Funny Moments page for Dragon Ball Z Abridged.

@  Bass X0 : (20 June 2017 - 01:02 PM)

My favourite pages are "comic book time", "not allowed to grow up" and "did not do the research".

@  Benbot : (20 June 2017 - 11:51 AM)

Uh oh, I just ventured into TV Tropes again.

@  Locoman : (20 June 2017 - 11:04 AM)

ALL HAIL THE DARK LORD OF THE TWIN MOONS.

@  Foffy : (20 June 2017 - 09:30 AM)

What about a cow woman?

@  unluckiness : (20 June 2017 - 09:20 AM)

Don't have a cow man

@  Robowang : (20 June 2017 - 08:54 AM)

or before 1992. Even worse.

@  Paladin : (20 June 2017 - 08:48 AM)

is it after 1997? then probably bad.

@  Benbot : (20 June 2017 - 08:19 AM)

I've completely lost track of whether it's in a good phase or bad


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#21 Msol

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:25 AM

Man, I totally forgot about Straxus. K, changing my vote. Thanks, thread!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:00 AM

While the 'all G1, all the time' character selection is tiresome, had to give it to the 'Prime Wars' era for daring to make homage toys with fun, playable gimmicks.

Designed-in interactions between toys are my jam, and in Titans Return, any given pair of figures (other than two Legends) has at least one interactive play feature, and possibly more! Any future Generations lines that don't involve tiny people who can stand on and sit in stuff will automatically be a disappointment.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:52 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

That said, I'm going with Prime Wars Trilogy (a.k.a. Combiner Wars/Titans Return/Power of the Primes).

It gave me my two favorite G1 "gimmicks" (Combiners and Headmasters) while unceremoniously dumping the ones that resonated with me the least (Targetmasters and Powermasters).

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:05 AM

The question's a tough one.

 

If it was just "which is the best line?" It would be easy, with the Prime Wars trilogy. But favourite?

 

I have to go with Classics, if for no other reason than nostalgia. It was the time I started getting back into Transformers. And had designs like voyager Optimus, Jetfire, and Megatron, or deluxe Bee, Ramjet, and Mirage.

 

All of which are still amazing moulds, even today.

 

And then there's the packaging. The bright red backgrounds, with the metallic framing. And the "flip for robot mode" section on the front was a great idea.

 

Oh, and it brought back rubsigns.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:38 AM

Universe (2008) had Ratchet, Ravage, Dinobot, AND Hot Shot.

 

....i'm not sure any of those are on anybody's favorite toys list, though



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:54 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

It's about eras, aesthetics, and brands, not "continuity families" or whatever. It becomes kinda obvious even from a fiction-centric perspective when you consider FoC and Armada Starscream; they're both characters who are not IDW Starscream, who got Gens toys in this block that got repurposed into IDW Starscream. Rattrap and Waspinator got a new look in IDW to effectively not match the new toys, effectively leaving them to the Beast Wars characters.

 

The big difference with the FoC guys was that they weren't redesigned into Earth-based alt modes and stayed quite slavish to their fictional designs ... which is also true of Armada Starscream. I could see the point argued on the beasts, who were subtly redesigned, but much, much more subtly than most of the IDW-originating guys. 

 

Again ... T30 was the GenerationSest. There's nothing special about the FoC guys except that there were a lot of them and they weren't G1. Until they were, since the non-combiners were all repurposed into IDW anyway.

 

You could argue that the Gens guys sold under Movie brands were in a similar position, but ... you'd be making a silly argument, because the aesthetic lines were very distinct, there were only two of them to sort out, etc.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:05 AM

Diaclone Reboot.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:10 AM

I personally include the WFC/FoC molds as neo-G1 toys for reasons both intuitive (look at them!) and official (IDW adopting a great number of their designs). Plus, in Generations 2010 they make up a pretty small percentage of the line (whereas neo-G1 toys quickly took over RtS) and pre-T30 FoC toys were the "Classics" of that time period.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:37 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

Diaclone Reboot.


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#31 sparkasylum

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

I really enjoyed Universe 1.0, but not sure it counts as much as a "Neo-G1" line.

 

Combiner Wars is my favorite. Even if there were some shortcoming, full combiner teams with articulation and scrambling, plus some bonuses like Legends add-ons... it's what I personally wanted.

 

I think it's interesting to think of "trimming the fat" from CW and look at what the line would look like if you used some CW & some UW. The excess repaints/remolds and substitute characters could be gone if someone wanted a "G1"-focused CW collection and had just:

 

-Devastator

-Superion (sans Alpha Bravo, with Slingshot & Powerglide)

-Menasor (sans Off Road, with Wildrider & Blackjack)

-Defensor (sans Rook, with deluxe Groove)

-UW Bruticus (+ CW/Japanese Legends Shockwave)

-UW Computron

-Legends Bombshell

-Leader Ultra Magnus

-Leader Megatron

 

With that restricted line up(2 Leaders, 11 voyagers, 20 deluxes, 4 Legends) there are:

-An entire unique Titan mold of 6 "voyagers"

-2 unique leader molds

-4 unique legends molds

-No repainted voyager torsos, but 3 unique molds and 2 heavy remolds

-11 unique deluxe molds, 5 heavy remolds, 2 minor remolds(Vortex, Afterburner), and 2 repaints with new heads(Slinsghot & Wildrider), Plus you could still add in Rook, one of the best CW deluxe molds as a 6th heavy remold.

 

Adding in CW Liokaiser would make another unique voyager torso but also 4 deluxe repaints with new heads.

 

That is throwing out some of the newer/non-G1 stuff I know some people love, but you could do it around another way too. Just trying to illustrate one does not have to be forced to be completist and then if so, a "cream of the crop" of Combiner Wars could be assembled and it'd minimize some of the complaints of mold re-use and limb similarity but this restricted collection would still be quite a hefty one.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:25 AM

The "Repaint Wars" mentality has always annoyed me.

For the entirety of 2015, the proportion of new moulds was entirely average (and then you had the reshells on top, which we never had before). And the last six months were only redeco-heavy because Titans Return unavoidably had to take up most of 2016's allowance for new moulds.

Of course, if you start counting boxsets and stuff, then you've got lots more mould reuse, but those were an extra thing - it's not like we ever got multiple $100 boxsets full of new moulds in the past.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:53 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:36 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

And the fiction, my god the fiction. EVERYBODY wanted to end their story with "and then they became combiners." Ugh

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:45 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:49 AM

Yeah, the necessities of the gimmick meant that Deluxes tended to end up with one of a few general silhouettes, apart from the actual mold reuse, which managed to make it look a lot worse than it actually was. And necessary or not, ending with a bunch of repaints when they ran out of new molds didn't make things look better. 

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.

I'm just glad you added Rook back in in the footnote. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:04 AM

All of these lines were pretty good, but on the balance, I've got to go with Thrilling 30. I feel like it really hit the "sweet spot" in terms of dealing with their reduced budget, they created sculpts that radiated personality, the eclectic character selection was great, the visual tie-ins to IDW at a time when it was (and still is) some of the best TF fiction were also appreciated. Plus, four of my favorite figures ever are from this line (Springer, Arcee, Swerve, Armada Starscream) and they're all my favorites because of their expressive sculpts and solid, playable construction.

 

FoC isn't really my favorite (So I'm a bit miffed it was lumped in with T30) but it was one of the few times I ever went completist on anything, collecting all of the data discs and their masters. I still consider them to be nifty as a set, better-scaled to my collection than the TR stuff, and I firmly maintain that if for some reason they ever made more of them, I'd grab them. Plus, personally, FoC and T30 together are the first, and so far only time, I was able to grab a complete set of the original three seekers.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:10 AM

My thoughts

 

Universe - As others have said...not really a Neo-G1 line. The hidden backstory was pretty cool, but I pretty much ignored this line. What was on the shelf at the same time? Armada? Energon? Those were the figures I was collecting.

 

Alternators - I remember one of the most exciting moments in fandom for me in those days was seeing the first test shots for Masterpiece Prime and Alt Smokescreen. I ended up owning just a few Alternators, but I really enjoyed the storyline that came with the Binaltech line.

 

Classics - I obsessed constantly over that original lineup of six figures, and it was one of the first waves of TF toys that I bought in its entirety, all at once. This was also the first TF line that I collected 100%, down to the Minicons and clunky stuff like the Ultimate Battle set. Stuff like Jetfire's helmet really blew my mind at the time.

 

Universe (2008) - Easily the worst. Fail after fail with stuff like Galvatron, Ironhide, Octane...I didn't like having just one of the '86 Combiner guys, and I didn't even really like some of the better-received molds of the line like the Lambo twins or the Datsuns. The Beast Wars homage figures were awful. The only toy I kept from this line was Cyclonus, and even he has a replacement on my shelves.

 

Generations (2010/RtS) - Maybe the best for sheer choice of characters. Lots of unusual stuff coming out, with a mixture of post-movie guys that could possibly fit into a G1 shelf, some late-G1 dudes like Thunderwing, and others that had never gotten a toy before (Darkmount). RtS ramped it up even more with wins like Wreck-Gar, Jazz, and Tracks. PLUS: this was the first of these lines that had a line-wide play pattern in the c-joint accessories. And that was just a taste.

 

Generations (FoC/T30) - This was around the time I started reading IDW again, and this was also the time that Hasbro started releasing more and more figures that were tied into the IDW designs, so it felt right. Lots of great stuff from this range, including an update to my boy Skids (and I do love that figure). We got our first Titan. And Springer. And Arcee. And some great Beast Wars homages. My main complaint about this time was the lack of interaction between figures - they all felt sorta randomly selected, and even Metroplex felt like he was made for a different toyline. But...

 

Combiner Wars - With this I finally felt like I was collecting a toyline. What an awesome time to be a fan. Any complaint that could be said about CW was obliterated by how much fun I was having with the figures. This line hit the perfect sweet spot of detail and complexity. I loved having a few new characters tossed into the old combiners. Absolutely no complaints.

 

Titans Return - And just when I thought it couldn't get any better. Not only does the play pattern speak soothing words directly into my brain, but most of these characters are perfect updates to G1 toys that I've never had the chance to play with, so it's like getting better versions of childhood grails. Fort Max is a bit of a mixed bag but having a base for the little dudes makes up for it. There's some flaws like QC issues and unpainted Titan Masters, but none has been enough to dampen my enthusiasm. Best line ever. Period.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:14 AM

I love Universe 1.0 enough to have a complete set, which is a ridiculous amount of Prowls; but I can't justify counting it in this poll. Nothing about it says Neo-G1 to me, regardless of a few repaints in the line. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:33 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt).


That was always going to be basically unavoidable with how the toyline works. ~50% of all mass retail releases are going to be redecoes. That is just a fact of life.

So let's say that we want all four of the '86 combiners to have unique moulds. If we look at the limbs, that's 16 moulds, which is two years worth of new moulds (Generations gets 16 Deluxes per year, with 7-9 brand-new moulds). So right off the bat, Combiner Wars would have to be six months longer than in reality, through to the end of 2016. Would Hasbro run a two-year toyline without a refresh nowadays? Probably not.

We also then have to increase the number of "made-up" redeco combiners relative to reality, because we now need to fill four waves with stuff that isn't the "Big Four".

Combiner Wars was mostly par for course in terms of mould reuse. But because the line encouraged the collector to purchase figures in complete sets, rather than picking and choosing the guys they liked, it meant people were simply more cognisant of the fact that half of everything was redecoes.

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