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@  unluckiness : (22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Nah, they could tell by the lack of the very distinctive dialogue delivery. They just didn't want to be mean.

@  Dracula : (22 August 2017 - 08:42 AM)

Moon base is fine. I knew the castle was a total loss so I gave Olrox my best cape and told him he could have the throne room. The damn belmonts couldn't tell the difference

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 06:39 AM)

It's probably because that's a direct quote rather than an attempt to self censor

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 August 2017 - 06:26 AM)

"shit" isn't filtered anymore

@  Donocropolis : (22 August 2017 - 05:51 AM)

Elvis doesn't do sh*t.

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 03:38 AM)

Fine, though Elvis has a bit of a headache.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 August 2017 - 03:27 AM)

How's his moon base?

@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever


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#21 Msol

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:25 AM

Man, I totally forgot about Straxus. K, changing my vote. Thanks, thread!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:00 AM

While the 'all G1, all the time' character selection is tiresome, had to give it to the 'Prime Wars' era for daring to make homage toys with fun, playable gimmicks.

Designed-in interactions between toys are my jam, and in Titans Return, any given pair of figures (other than two Legends) has at least one interactive play feature, and possibly more! Any future Generations lines that don't involve tiny people who can stand on and sit in stuff will automatically be a disappointment.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:52 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

That said, I'm going with Prime Wars Trilogy (a.k.a. Combiner Wars/Titans Return/Power of the Primes).

It gave me my two favorite G1 "gimmicks" (Combiners and Headmasters) while unceremoniously dumping the ones that resonated with me the least (Targetmasters and Powermasters).

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:05 AM

The question's a tough one.

 

If it was just "which is the best line?" It would be easy, with the Prime Wars trilogy. But favourite?

 

I have to go with Classics, if for no other reason than nostalgia. It was the time I started getting back into Transformers. And had designs like voyager Optimus, Jetfire, and Megatron, or deluxe Bee, Ramjet, and Mirage.

 

All of which are still amazing moulds, even today.

 

And then there's the packaging. The bright red backgrounds, with the metallic framing. And the "flip for robot mode" section on the front was a great idea.

 

Oh, and it brought back rubsigns.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:38 AM

Universe (2008) had Ratchet, Ravage, Dinobot, AND Hot Shot.

 

....i'm not sure any of those are on anybody's favorite toys list, though



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:54 AM

I object to the poll. War for Cybertron is not listed along with War for Cybertron, which are both separate from all other CHUG figures as part of the aligned continuity.

Meanwhile, the rest of the "Thrilling 30" series of figures is planted squarely in the IDW-verse.

It's about eras, aesthetics, and brands, not "continuity families" or whatever. It becomes kinda obvious even from a fiction-centric perspective when you consider FoC and Armada Starscream; they're both characters who are not IDW Starscream, who got Gens toys in this block that got repurposed into IDW Starscream. Rattrap and Waspinator got a new look in IDW to effectively not match the new toys, effectively leaving them to the Beast Wars characters.

 

The big difference with the FoC guys was that they weren't redesigned into Earth-based alt modes and stayed quite slavish to their fictional designs ... which is also true of Armada Starscream. I could see the point argued on the beasts, who were subtly redesigned, but much, much more subtly than most of the IDW-originating guys. 

 

Again ... T30 was the GenerationSest. There's nothing special about the FoC guys except that there were a lot of them and they weren't G1. Until they were, since the non-combiners were all repurposed into IDW anyway.

 

You could argue that the Gens guys sold under Movie brands were in a similar position, but ... you'd be making a silly argument, because the aesthetic lines were very distinct, there were only two of them to sort out, etc.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:05 AM

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:10 AM

I personally include the WFC/FoC molds as neo-G1 toys for reasons both intuitive (look at them!) and official (IDW adopting a great number of their designs). Plus, in Generations 2010 they make up a pretty small percentage of the line (whereas neo-G1 toys quickly took over RtS) and pre-T30 FoC toys were the "Classics" of that time period.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:37 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:55 AM

I really enjoyed Universe 1.0, but not sure it counts as much as a "Neo-G1" line.

 

Combiner Wars is my favorite. Even if there were some shortcoming, full combiner teams with articulation and scrambling, plus some bonuses like Legends add-ons... it's what I personally wanted.

 

I think it's interesting to think of "trimming the fat" from CW and look at what the line would look like if you used some CW & some UW. The excess repaints/remolds and substitute characters could be gone if someone wanted a "G1"-focused CW collection and had just:

 

-Devastator

-Superion (sans Alpha Bravo, with Slingshot & Powerglide)

-Menasor (sans Off Road, with Wildrider & Blackjack)

-Defensor (sans Rook, with deluxe Groove)

-UW Bruticus (+ CW/Japanese Legends Shockwave)

-UW Computron

-Legends Bombshell

-Leader Ultra Magnus

-Leader Megatron

 

With that restricted line up(2 Leaders, 11 voyagers, 20 deluxes, 4 Legends) there are:

-An entire unique Titan mold of 6 "voyagers"

-2 unique leader molds

-4 unique legends molds

-No repainted voyager torsos, but 3 unique molds and 2 heavy remolds

-11 unique deluxe molds, 5 heavy remolds, 2 minor remolds(Vortex, Afterburner), and 2 repaints with new heads(Slinsghot & Wildrider), Plus you could still add in Rook, one of the best CW deluxe molds as a 6th heavy remold.

 

Adding in CW Liokaiser would make another unique voyager torso but also 4 deluxe repaints with new heads.

 

That is throwing out some of the newer/non-G1 stuff I know some people love, but you could do it around another way too. Just trying to illustrate one does not have to be forced to be completist and then if so, a "cream of the crop" of Combiner Wars could be assembled and it'd minimize some of the complaints of mold re-use and limb similarity but this restricted collection would still be quite a hefty one.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:25 AM

The "Repaint Wars" mentality has always annoyed me.

For the entirety of 2015, the proportion of new moulds was entirely average (and then you had the reshells on top, which we never had before). And the last six months were only redeco-heavy because Titans Return unavoidably had to take up most of 2016's allowance for new moulds.

Of course, if you start counting boxsets and stuff, then you've got lots more mould reuse, but those were an extra thing - it's not like we ever got multiple $100 boxsets full of new moulds in the past.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:53 AM

P.S. Where is Titanium?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:36 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

And the fiction, my god the fiction. EVERYBODY wanted to end their story with "and then they became combiners." Ugh

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:45 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt). And so many of them were just cars and jets, who got reshelled into MORE cars and jets. Things got real dull real fast.

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:49 AM

Yeah, the necessities of the gimmick meant that Deluxes tended to end up with one of a few general silhouettes, apart from the actual mold reuse, which managed to make it look a lot worse than it actually was. And necessary or not, ending with a bunch of repaints when they ran out of new molds didn't make things look better. 

 

But, look at that lineup I proposed. There are some re-uses sure, but when you don't bother with 2 teams of Autobot car limbs, it gets much better. There are actually only 6 cars and 4 jets(and a "space jet") among the 20 deluxe limbs.

I'm just glad you added Rook back in in the footnote. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:04 AM

All of these lines were pretty good, but on the balance, I've got to go with Thrilling 30. I feel like it really hit the "sweet spot" in terms of dealing with their reduced budget, they created sculpts that radiated personality, the eclectic character selection was great, the visual tie-ins to IDW at a time when it was (and still is) some of the best TF fiction were also appreciated. Plus, four of my favorite figures ever are from this line (Springer, Arcee, Swerve, Armada Starscream) and they're all my favorites because of their expressive sculpts and solid, playable construction.

 

FoC isn't really my favorite (So I'm a bit miffed it was lumped in with T30) but it was one of the few times I ever went completist on anything, collecting all of the data discs and their masters. I still consider them to be nifty as a set, better-scaled to my collection than the TR stuff, and I firmly maintain that if for some reason they ever made more of them, I'd grab them. Plus, personally, FoC and T30 together are the first, and so far only time, I was able to grab a complete set of the original three seekers.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:10 AM

My thoughts

 

Universe - As others have said...not really a Neo-G1 line. The hidden backstory was pretty cool, but I pretty much ignored this line. What was on the shelf at the same time? Armada? Energon? Those were the figures I was collecting.

 

Alternators - I remember one of the most exciting moments in fandom for me in those days was seeing the first test shots for Masterpiece Prime and Alt Smokescreen. I ended up owning just a few Alternators, but I really enjoyed the storyline that came with the Binaltech line.

 

Classics - I obsessed constantly over that original lineup of six figures, and it was one of the first waves of TF toys that I bought in its entirety, all at once. This was also the first TF line that I collected 100%, down to the Minicons and clunky stuff like the Ultimate Battle set. Stuff like Jetfire's helmet really blew my mind at the time.

 

Universe (2008) - Easily the worst. Fail after fail with stuff like Galvatron, Ironhide, Octane...I didn't like having just one of the '86 Combiner guys, and I didn't even really like some of the better-received molds of the line like the Lambo twins or the Datsuns. The Beast Wars homage figures were awful. The only toy I kept from this line was Cyclonus, and even he has a replacement on my shelves.

 

Generations (2010/RtS) - Maybe the best for sheer choice of characters. Lots of unusual stuff coming out, with a mixture of post-movie guys that could possibly fit into a G1 shelf, some late-G1 dudes like Thunderwing, and others that had never gotten a toy before (Darkmount). RtS ramped it up even more with wins like Wreck-Gar, Jazz, and Tracks. PLUS: this was the first of these lines that had a line-wide play pattern in the c-joint accessories. And that was just a taste.

 

Generations (FoC/T30) - This was around the time I started reading IDW again, and this was also the time that Hasbro started releasing more and more figures that were tied into the IDW designs, so it felt right. Lots of great stuff from this range, including an update to my boy Skids (and I do love that figure). We got our first Titan. And Springer. And Arcee. And some great Beast Wars homages. My main complaint about this time was the lack of interaction between figures - they all felt sorta randomly selected, and even Metroplex felt like he was made for a different toyline. But...

 

Combiner Wars - With this I finally felt like I was collecting a toyline. What an awesome time to be a fan. Any complaint that could be said about CW was obliterated by how much fun I was having with the figures. This line hit the perfect sweet spot of detail and complexity. I loved having a few new characters tossed into the old combiners. Absolutely no complaints.

 

Titans Return - And just when I thought it couldn't get any better. Not only does the play pattern speak soothing words directly into my brain, but most of these characters are perfect updates to G1 toys that I've never had the chance to play with, so it's like getting better versions of childhood grails. Fort Max is a bit of a mixed bag but having a base for the little dudes makes up for it. There's some flaws like QC issues and unpainted Titan Masters, but none has been enough to dampen my enthusiasm. Best line ever. Period.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:14 AM

I love Universe 1.0 enough to have a complete set, which is a ridiculous amount of Prowls; but I can't justify counting it in this poll. Nothing about it says Neo-G1 to me, regardless of a few repaints in the line. 


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:33 AM

The thing about "repaint wars" wasn't so much about individual molds as it was the full team. It was like you couldn't get 2 without doubling up on at least one mold (heck, sometimes you couldn't avoid that with just one gestalt).


That was always going to be basically unavoidable with how the toyline works. ~50% of all mass retail releases are going to be redecoes. That is just a fact of life.

So let's say that we want all four of the '86 combiners to have unique moulds. If we look at the limbs, that's 16 moulds, which is two years worth of new moulds (Generations gets 16 Deluxes per year, with 7-9 brand-new moulds). So right off the bat, Combiner Wars would have to be six months longer than in reality, through to the end of 2016. Would Hasbro run a two-year toyline without a refresh nowadays? Probably not.

We also then have to increase the number of "made-up" redeco combiners relative to reality, because we now need to fill four waves with stuff that isn't the "Big Four".

Combiner Wars was mostly par for course in terms of mould reuse. But because the line encouraged the collector to purchase figures in complete sets, rather than picking and choosing the guys they liked, it meant people were simply more cognisant of the fact that half of everything was redecoes.

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