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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

Some of the talk in the TR thread got me thinking about this. I myself really enjoy the current Prime Wars trilogy toys, but I also like that we've now had several different iterations of "G1 but new" toylines.

I've included Alternators, which I don't think will be controversial, but I've also included Universe 1.0 since one of its big angles was Post-G1 Molds Redecoed As G1 Characters in an age without on-screen G1 media.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:37 PM

As much as I love Combiner Wars (Titans Returns is closely after that), I have to give it to Classics. Nothing gave me that level of excitement and joy as that line did when it started.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

Admittedly, half of those lines were before my time (well... between my times) but for my money nothing comes close to the perfect fun of Titans Return.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:57 PM

I wasn't around for Reveal the Shield/Thrilling 30/most of Combiner Wars but Classics is definitely my favorite. It had a focus and a novelty that, by definition, the later ones just couldn't have, plus by virtue of being a "filler" line, it was just really short and sweet.  Plus most of the toys actually update the character designs in a cool, modern way instead of just trying to be the G1 toy with maybe a more modern vehicle mode like some of the later ones can be. Plus personally speaking, that was the first line I had the money to buy on my own and that was really exciting.

 

There's not a straight up bad toy in that entire line. Some are definitely better than others, but there aren't any total clunkers I don't think.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:59 PM

CW/TR, easily.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:08 PM

Gens FoC-T30. Was it a complete and cohesive line worthy of a "best" title? Probably not. Did it include several of the best Transformers figures literally ever made? Yes. Rattrap, Rhinox, and Springer are the toys I'd hang onto if I had to get rid of everything else. I loved the IDW designs for the care that went into reimagining these reimagined G1 guys into G1ish alt modes and making everything work nonetheless, which started (minus IDW influence) in Universe 2.0 but hit its peak in T30. 

 

I'm not a completionist, I've never* had that kind of funding. I like good individual toys more than I like collections. T30 was a lot of good individual toys.

 

* Well, I'm character-complete for Animated less Ironhide and Cliffjumper, but.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:41 PM

Generations 2010/Reveal the Shield. They still had ROTF's higher budget for plastic, so things could be more intricate, but most of the figures (not all) were more intuitive than Universe 2.0.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:52 PM

On the one hand, I feel like the next round of Gens was a polished version of what RtS was doing. On the other hand ... that's all it was; FoC / T30 didn't actually introduce anything new into that equation, just refined it. 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:15 PM

While I have loved them all, especially at the times each came out (the next iteration would pretty much one-up the previous for me, mostly because I would have something new to look forward to), but TR has really been one of my favorites.  Head/Target/Powermasters were my absolute favorite gimmick, so this whole line of Titan Masters has really been fun to collect and fiddle with. 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:16 PM

Energon.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

Im sorry but my favorite year was 1987 and so CW/TR has pushed all the 87 buttons just right

 

 

But the Arcee/Scoop lineup is a close second


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

I should also say - combining lumping together CW and TR doesn't really work for me; PWT or not, CW sort of feels like a distant bad dream once TR comes along. It started strong but ran itself into the ground and even at its best it wasn't a patch on Titans Return.

Also Copper said a lot of wise stuff about the T30 era.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:42 PM

Energon.

You almost made me spit out my Coke!

I do recognize your point, though. Energon is second only to TR in being a TFTM redux.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:57 PM

CW managed to be the first non-Movie line that completely lost my interest.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

Retrospectively, I don't think I really liked any of the toylines! :D Not out of hate, just disinterest. I mean, there are standout "glad I bought these!" figures from each one, but I didn't really follow any like I did with RotF or Kre-O. Dunno how to rank anything when everything that wasn't Lugnut, Cosmos, and Sky Lynx were effectively just background noise.

 

 

 

Thrilling 30 was interesting because it was actual GenerationS for once, but it was also a time where prices went up, quality went down (Blitzwing's shoulders, Cosmos' head paint, Whirl's STENCH!!), and I had to start getting picky with toys...


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:29 PM

Someone should mock up catalogues for each line to help me decide.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:37 PM

I'm with Randy on this, in that I'll always have a fondness for Classics. That came around at just the right time -- the headiness of the peak of the Unicron Trilogy showing us the new was thriving, the anticipation of a new age with the Movie, and a concentrated taste of revisited originals. Many of them have been superseded since, but only because the established (and, sure, obvious) viability of that line made future iterations possible.

2.0 and T30 are great anniversary lines with a good breadth of product, with the latter being a bit of a better execution that was even symbiotically guided by a fiction tie-in that the former didn't quite get to have.

CW and TR elevated mold-maximization and reuse to an art form, and that's a feat in and of itself. All I could still want from CW is a G2 Defensor -- it managed to cover every vehicle combiner, and give us a great fan-vote one too. Here's hoping a later round gets us the beasts.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:02 PM

Universe 1.0: Nah. A bunch of weird recolors and little odds and ends. I do sorta wish I had picked up a Razorclaw and mammoth Nemesis Prime at the time though.

 

Alternators: Was also never a fan, I think the only two I ever got were Sideswipe and Swindle. Stuff like licensing and rubber wheels and realistic alt-modes aren't something I really care about, and overall the complexity and thin shells each had turned me off.

 

Classics: The one that started it all, eh? Certainly some very good toys (Voyager Optimus Prime is still my favorite Prime toy) but also had a fair amount of misses, as well, like Grimlock, the Ultimate Battle Set, etc.

 

Universe 2.0: Time has not treated this line well. There's still a few standouts (Cyclonus, Sunstreaker, Hound) but also some really big clunkers (Galvatron, Ironhide, Cheetor). My overall impression steers a bit negative because a lot of the toys in the middle have one or two things that I really keep me from liking the toy.

 

Generations (2010)/Reveal The Shield: RtS has some really great toys - Jazz, Perceptor, Laser Rod Prime, Wreck-Gar. Still mad I never found Lugnut. I could take or leave the WfC toys, but the neo-G1 toys like Scourge, Drift, and Kup are pretty good. The repaints are good too (depending on your view of the rancor the three Seekers caused), and oh yeah, we not only got a Straxus toy, but we got a AWESOME Straxus toy. The worst toy is probably, what, Thunderwing?

 

Generations (FoC/Thrilling 30): I've never been a fan of the video game aesthetic, and I think the FoC toys are definitely inferior to the WfC ones. The only one I got was Bruticus because hey, Bruticus, something that feels silly in retrospect after Combiner Wars. But Thrilling 30 has a bunch of great toys, enough that even outshines the odd clunker (Blitzwing).

 

Combiner Wars/Titan Masters: Lots of solid (if not great) toys, and scratches my itch to have all those 86-87 guys we hadn't gotten. But there was too much mold reuse in Combiner Wars, even skipping stuff like the '84-85 character repaints.

 

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Looking at my notes, I'm casting my vote for 2010/RtS, but Thrilling 30 is very close (and CW/TR right behind that). Looking back certainly does make me feel spoiled at some of the awesome stuff we're getting now, though... going from stuff like "well I guess a G1-ish repaint of Energon Devastator is good enough" to "FULL LINE OF COMBINERS" for example.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

Universe 1, because it wasn't a Neo-G1 line.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:59 AM

These poll options are awful. Universe 1.0 and Generations (2010) weren't even "Neo G1" lines. There's no option for Generations before FOC. Then toy lines that aren't similar are paired together.

Bad poll. Decent question though.

Alternators:
The only one I think still holds up is the 2nd Ravage (the one with the cat mode). The rest of the line is a neat gimmick that leads to a lot of frustration. This line might be among worst Transformers lines if you ask me.

Classics:
I was talking about this line with friends the other day. Mirage is still amazing. Others are still solid, but a lot of them were just good for the time. They also have that Cybertron charm. Also, I hate the Seeker mold. Mainly because it was subpar even for it's time and could've been tweaked to be great, but they never did. I'd probably rate this line higher if it wasn't so small. Even including the Botcon figures, Mini-Cons, and other repaints from Energon and Cybertron, the line is still well under a hundred toys. And only a 3rd of those (maybe even a 4th) were made for Classics.

Universe 2.0:
Had to bring up a list of this line to remind myself what was in it beyond the 2 BW figures and Cyclonus really is the best thing of the line. The rest kind of have the same issue as Alternators in that the complexity is a detriment. Aside from the 3 toys I mentioned, I don't think I still have anything left of this line in my collection. And the 2 BW toys from this line are not good. This is a pretty weak line in general in my opinion.

Generations Pre-FOC/Reveal the Shield:
While RTS is technically a movie line, it had a lot of toys clearly intended for Generations that would not have been released otherwise. The only real difference here is the rub signs on RTS. These lines are still mainly complex like U2.0, but I feel there's a few more streamlined figures that are good. I still have a lot of these lines on my shelves. Warpath is great. Jazz is great. Kup and Tracks are not perfect, but I sort of love them for that. WfC still fills a few of my character spots as well and WfC Prime is one of the complex ones that enjoy. Plus, we got leftfield stuff like Darkmount.

Fall of Cybetron:
This line is when the shift to more simple TFs was getting started. There's some good stuff here. Until TR, I'd point to this line's Blaster and Soundwave if you wanted a modern tape deck like chest gimmick. There are stand outs like Starscream that's basically an updated triangle seeker, but my favorite of the line is easily Air Raid with his badass combining sword. I still play with Air Raid from time to time. And I mean PLAY play, pew pew sound effects and all. I don't know if there's a way to recommend a toy more highly than that.

Oh...and this line had combiners that a lot of us would like to forget.

Thrilling 30:
This is the line hardest to not cheat with because half of the highlights aren't G1. Those Beast Wars toys are amazing and more important to me than G1 stuff. Armada Starscream and BM Tankor are super fun...and there's some great G1 stuff to. The line is at odds with itself if judged as "Neo G1" because it's great for not being JUST G1. Eitherway, Springer is a masterpiece. Arcee (at least Takara's paint job) is a wonderful Arcee, the Legends class is full of great stuff. Cosmos is [insert positive adjective here]. I think this is the high point for Generations for me, but I'm aware a lot of that is because half of it isn't G1.

Combiner Wars:
I have a huge love/hate relationship with Combiner Wars. I feel that they successfully made a modern combiner...Superion. If the torso is Silverbolt or one of his retools, then it's going to be a great combiner. Every other torso (save for Sky Lynx who comes close, but misses thanks to QC) sucks as a torso. Plus, one bad figure pretty much ruins the whole combiner. There's still a few stand out singles like Rook and really all of the Protectabots when they aren't combined. I wouldn't call this line bad so much as just a disappointment.

Titans Return:
Still ongoing, so this could change. I like it more than CW if only because a dud in this line is pretty self contained to it's own package (or only cost $5). More importantly (for me), beast modes are back again! I know it wasn't that long, but I missed that variety in CW. Other than that, I love the Titanmasters and really everything about them as a concept. The TM class is like Micromasters and MASK had baby. The line realizes that if they're going to have the heads become tiny robots, they need stuff to interact with. To me, TR is the line that doesn't just update old toys, but also updates the gimmick and makes it better.

So yeah, best of these is Thrilling 30, but I'm not sure how much of that greatness really belongs to G1, just that it had a lot of great toys and some were G1. Close 2nd is either TR, Pre-FOC Gen, or RTS. Classics, FOC, CW, and U2.0 round out the middle. Bottom is easily Alternators.





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