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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 November 2017 - 01:25 PM)

I could handle going back to not existing. x.x;

@  Bass X0 : (19 November 2017 - 01:14 PM)

Life is the brief recess we get from not existing before going back to not existing.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 November 2017 - 01:10 PM)

Nah.. Life is simply the precursor to death.

@  Bass X0 : (19 November 2017 - 12:41 PM)

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 09:26 PM)

ALL HAIL THE BLESSED OCTOBUTT.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Thanks in any case!

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Oh, wow. That is ages ago. 

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:03 PM)

ages ago meaning when the spark was still on ezboard

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:02 PM)

i think maybe it was part of a title of a movie someone posted ages ago and the "lesbian ninja" part stood out and people just latched on to it. please note this is possibly totally and completely wrong cause my memory is terrible anymore

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 12:11 PM)

I don't think it's a fandom thing, I think it's an Allspark thing. Or that's been my perception. Mayhem has some lesbian ninja regulars now but I think the reference is much older. = ] 

@  Robowang : (15 November 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Who knows. I always thought it was stupid.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

Some of the talk in the TR thread got me thinking about this. I myself really enjoy the current Prime Wars trilogy toys, but I also like that we've now had several different iterations of "G1 but new" toylines.

I've included Alternators, which I don't think will be controversial, but I've also included Universe 1.0 since one of its big angles was Post-G1 Molds Redecoed As G1 Characters in an age without on-screen G1 media.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:37 PM

As much as I love Combiner Wars (Titans Returns is closely after that), I have to give it to Classics. Nothing gave me that level of excitement and joy as that line did when it started.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

Admittedly, half of those lines were before my time (well... between my times) but for my money nothing comes close to the perfect fun of Titans Return.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:57 PM

I wasn't around for Reveal the Shield/Thrilling 30/most of Combiner Wars but Classics is definitely my favorite. It had a focus and a novelty that, by definition, the later ones just couldn't have, plus by virtue of being a "filler" line, it was just really short and sweet.  Plus most of the toys actually update the character designs in a cool, modern way instead of just trying to be the G1 toy with maybe a more modern vehicle mode like some of the later ones can be. Plus personally speaking, that was the first line I had the money to buy on my own and that was really exciting.

 

There's not a straight up bad toy in that entire line. Some are definitely better than others, but there aren't any total clunkers I don't think.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:59 PM

CW/TR, easily.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:08 PM

Gens FoC-T30. Was it a complete and cohesive line worthy of a "best" title? Probably not. Did it include several of the best Transformers figures literally ever made? Yes. Rattrap, Rhinox, and Springer are the toys I'd hang onto if I had to get rid of everything else. I loved the IDW designs for the care that went into reimagining these reimagined G1 guys into G1ish alt modes and making everything work nonetheless, which started (minus IDW influence) in Universe 2.0 but hit its peak in T30. 

 

I'm not a completionist, I've never* had that kind of funding. I like good individual toys more than I like collections. T30 was a lot of good individual toys.

 

* Well, I'm character-complete for Animated less Ironhide and Cliffjumper, but.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 15 February 2017 - 07:10 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:41 PM

Generations 2010/Reveal the Shield. They still had ROTF's higher budget for plastic, so things could be more intricate, but most of the figures (not all) were more intuitive than Universe 2.0.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:52 PM

On the one hand, I feel like the next round of Gens was a polished version of what RtS was doing. On the other hand ... that's all it was; FoC / T30 didn't actually introduce anything new into that equation, just refined it. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:15 PM

While I have loved them all, especially at the times each came out (the next iteration would pretty much one-up the previous for me, mostly because I would have something new to look forward to), but TR has really been one of my favorites.  Head/Target/Powermasters were my absolute favorite gimmick, so this whole line of Titan Masters has really been fun to collect and fiddle with. 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:16 PM

Energon.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

Im sorry but my favorite year was 1987 and so CW/TR has pushed all the 87 buttons just right

 

 

But the Arcee/Scoop lineup is a close second


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

I should also say - combining lumping together CW and TR doesn't really work for me; PWT or not, CW sort of feels like a distant bad dream once TR comes along. It started strong but ran itself into the ground and even at its best it wasn't a patch on Titans Return.

Also Copper said a lot of wise stuff about the T30 era.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:42 PM

Energon.

You almost made me spit out my Coke!

I do recognize your point, though. Energon is second only to TR in being a TFTM redux.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:57 PM

CW managed to be the first non-Movie line that completely lost my interest.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

Retrospectively, I don't think I really liked any of the toylines! :D Not out of hate, just disinterest. I mean, there are standout "glad I bought these!" figures from each one, but I didn't really follow any like I did with RotF or Kre-O. Dunno how to rank anything when everything that wasn't Lugnut, Cosmos, and Sky Lynx were effectively just background noise.

 

 

 

Thrilling 30 was interesting because it was actual GenerationS for once, but it was also a time where prices went up, quality went down (Blitzwing's shoulders, Cosmos' head paint, Whirl's STENCH!!), and I had to start getting picky with toys...


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:29 PM

Someone should mock up catalogues for each line to help me decide.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:37 PM

I'm with Randy on this, in that I'll always have a fondness for Classics. That came around at just the right time -- the headiness of the peak of the Unicron Trilogy showing us the new was thriving, the anticipation of a new age with the Movie, and a concentrated taste of revisited originals. Many of them have been superseded since, but only because the established (and, sure, obvious) viability of that line made future iterations possible.

2.0 and T30 are great anniversary lines with a good breadth of product, with the latter being a bit of a better execution that was even symbiotically guided by a fiction tie-in that the former didn't quite get to have.

CW and TR elevated mold-maximization and reuse to an art form, and that's a feat in and of itself. All I could still want from CW is a G2 Defensor -- it managed to cover every vehicle combiner, and give us a great fan-vote one too. Here's hoping a later round gets us the beasts.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:02 PM

Universe 1.0: Nah. A bunch of weird recolors and little odds and ends. I do sorta wish I had picked up a Razorclaw and mammoth Nemesis Prime at the time though.

 

Alternators: Was also never a fan, I think the only two I ever got were Sideswipe and Swindle. Stuff like licensing and rubber wheels and realistic alt-modes aren't something I really care about, and overall the complexity and thin shells each had turned me off.

 

Classics: The one that started it all, eh? Certainly some very good toys (Voyager Optimus Prime is still my favorite Prime toy) but also had a fair amount of misses, as well, like Grimlock, the Ultimate Battle Set, etc.

 

Universe 2.0: Time has not treated this line well. There's still a few standouts (Cyclonus, Sunstreaker, Hound) but also some really big clunkers (Galvatron, Ironhide, Cheetor). My overall impression steers a bit negative because a lot of the toys in the middle have one or two things that I really keep me from liking the toy.

 

Generations (2010)/Reveal The Shield: RtS has some really great toys - Jazz, Perceptor, Laser Rod Prime, Wreck-Gar. Still mad I never found Lugnut. I could take or leave the WfC toys, but the neo-G1 toys like Scourge, Drift, and Kup are pretty good. The repaints are good too (depending on your view of the rancor the three Seekers caused), and oh yeah, we not only got a Straxus toy, but we got a AWESOME Straxus toy. The worst toy is probably, what, Thunderwing?

 

Generations (FoC/Thrilling 30): I've never been a fan of the video game aesthetic, and I think the FoC toys are definitely inferior to the WfC ones. The only one I got was Bruticus because hey, Bruticus, something that feels silly in retrospect after Combiner Wars. But Thrilling 30 has a bunch of great toys, enough that even outshines the odd clunker (Blitzwing).

 

Combiner Wars/Titan Masters: Lots of solid (if not great) toys, and scratches my itch to have all those 86-87 guys we hadn't gotten. But there was too much mold reuse in Combiner Wars, even skipping stuff like the '84-85 character repaints.

 

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Looking at my notes, I'm casting my vote for 2010/RtS, but Thrilling 30 is very close (and CW/TR right behind that). Looking back certainly does make me feel spoiled at some of the awesome stuff we're getting now, though... going from stuff like "well I guess a G1-ish repaint of Energon Devastator is good enough" to "FULL LINE OF COMBINERS" for example.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

Universe 1, because it wasn't a Neo-G1 line.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:59 AM

These poll options are awful. Universe 1.0 and Generations (2010) weren't even "Neo G1" lines. There's no option for Generations before FOC. Then toy lines that aren't similar are paired together.

Bad poll. Decent question though.

Alternators:
The only one I think still holds up is the 2nd Ravage (the one with the cat mode). The rest of the line is a neat gimmick that leads to a lot of frustration. This line might be among worst Transformers lines if you ask me.

Classics:
I was talking about this line with friends the other day. Mirage is still amazing. Others are still solid, but a lot of them were just good for the time. They also have that Cybertron charm. Also, I hate the Seeker mold. Mainly because it was subpar even for it's time and could've been tweaked to be great, but they never did. I'd probably rate this line higher if it wasn't so small. Even including the Botcon figures, Mini-Cons, and other repaints from Energon and Cybertron, the line is still well under a hundred toys. And only a 3rd of those (maybe even a 4th) were made for Classics.

Universe 2.0:
Had to bring up a list of this line to remind myself what was in it beyond the 2 BW figures and Cyclonus really is the best thing of the line. The rest kind of have the same issue as Alternators in that the complexity is a detriment. Aside from the 3 toys I mentioned, I don't think I still have anything left of this line in my collection. And the 2 BW toys from this line are not good. This is a pretty weak line in general in my opinion.

Generations Pre-FOC/Reveal the Shield:
While RTS is technically a movie line, it had a lot of toys clearly intended for Generations that would not have been released otherwise. The only real difference here is the rub signs on RTS. These lines are still mainly complex like U2.0, but I feel there's a few more streamlined figures that are good. I still have a lot of these lines on my shelves. Warpath is great. Jazz is great. Kup and Tracks are not perfect, but I sort of love them for that. WfC still fills a few of my character spots as well and WfC Prime is one of the complex ones that enjoy. Plus, we got leftfield stuff like Darkmount.

Fall of Cybetron:
This line is when the shift to more simple TFs was getting started. There's some good stuff here. Until TR, I'd point to this line's Blaster and Soundwave if you wanted a modern tape deck like chest gimmick. There are stand outs like Starscream that's basically an updated triangle seeker, but my favorite of the line is easily Air Raid with his badass combining sword. I still play with Air Raid from time to time. And I mean PLAY play, pew pew sound effects and all. I don't know if there's a way to recommend a toy more highly than that.

Oh...and this line had combiners that a lot of us would like to forget.

Thrilling 30:
This is the line hardest to not cheat with because half of the highlights aren't G1. Those Beast Wars toys are amazing and more important to me than G1 stuff. Armada Starscream and BM Tankor are super fun...and there's some great G1 stuff to. The line is at odds with itself if judged as "Neo G1" because it's great for not being JUST G1. Eitherway, Springer is a masterpiece. Arcee (at least Takara's paint job) is a wonderful Arcee, the Legends class is full of great stuff. Cosmos is [insert positive adjective here]. I think this is the high point for Generations for me, but I'm aware a lot of that is because half of it isn't G1.

Combiner Wars:
I have a huge love/hate relationship with Combiner Wars. I feel that they successfully made a modern combiner...Superion. If the torso is Silverbolt or one of his retools, then it's going to be a great combiner. Every other torso (save for Sky Lynx who comes close, but misses thanks to QC) sucks as a torso. Plus, one bad figure pretty much ruins the whole combiner. There's still a few stand out singles like Rook and really all of the Protectabots when they aren't combined. I wouldn't call this line bad so much as just a disappointment.

Titans Return:
Still ongoing, so this could change. I like it more than CW if only because a dud in this line is pretty self contained to it's own package (or only cost $5). More importantly (for me), beast modes are back again! I know it wasn't that long, but I missed that variety in CW. Other than that, I love the Titanmasters and really everything about them as a concept. The TM class is like Micromasters and MASK had baby. The line realizes that if they're going to have the heads become tiny robots, they need stuff to interact with. To me, TR is the line that doesn't just update old toys, but also updates the gimmick and makes it better.

So yeah, best of these is Thrilling 30, but I'm not sure how much of that greatness really belongs to G1, just that it had a lot of great toys and some were G1. Close 2nd is either TR, Pre-FOC Gen, or RTS. Classics, FOC, CW, and U2.0 round out the middle. Bottom is easily Alternators.





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