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@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:18 PM)

Because that line always cracks me up.

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:18 PM)

Does she at least say "AAAAAAAH! AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS, I'M FREE! IT'S TIME TO CONQUER EARTH!"

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:16 PM)

Well, at least Rita's still over-the-top, then...

@  MEDdMI : (30 March 2017 - 03:01 PM)

My friend said it tried to be inspiring and serious, but Rita was too campy and some of the messages might not be good for kids.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (30 March 2017 - 02:27 PM)

Anyone been to the theater to see Power Rangers? How is it?

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 02:24 PM)

Meh, even if it was a real continuation it wouldn't be the same without Tony Jay.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I don't want to see it be a trainwreck and crash and burn, because if it does that's probably it for ReBoot in any form for another decade or even longer. I'm just frustrated as ReBoot is one of the few things I like as much as Transformers.

@  Boomhauer : (30 March 2017 - 01:50 PM)

Fun fact: one of the actors for the main kids lied on his resume that he knew how to skate. He actualy doesn't. They had to choose between reshooting all his scenes with somebody else, getting a stunt or... just not having him skate at all.

@  Boomhauer : (30 March 2017 - 01:49 PM)

A close friend of mine has been working on that show for almost a year now. He's told me lots of things that filled me with excitement about how baffled the internet will be about it. It's gonna be a great trainwreck.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 12:37 PM)

Given all the advancements in computing since the end of the original series, how they've spread through every facet of our lives they could tell some great stories within the existing ReBoot universe... Instead they're going for Power Rangers meets Tron.

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 12:21 PM)

That's... That's not ReBoot. That's... That's a bad Tron rip-off.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 12:18 PM)

Well, the ReBoot revival sounds positively dire.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 March 2017 - 01:58 AM)

Interior decorating by Ed Gein.

@  Telly : (29 March 2017 - 06:23 PM)

they make for good hat/coat racks in random places

@  Waspinator : (29 March 2017 - 06:10 PM)

I use antlers in all of my decorating!

@  Locoman : (29 March 2017 - 06:08 PM)

Evil?! Eeevil?! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiil!

@  Rycochet : (29 March 2017 - 03:43 PM)

Love Love, Peace Peace.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 March 2017 - 03:38 PM)

DEATH, DEATH, DEVIL DEVIL DEVIL DEVIL, EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL SONGS

@  MEDdMI : (29 March 2017 - 03:07 PM)

BE A MAAAAAANNNNNN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (29 March 2017 - 02:48 PM)

Young man, there's no need to feel down.

@  Waspinator : (29 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

Me, an alien? Is this one of your Earth jokes?

@  Evac : (29 March 2017 - 02:28 PM)

WHEN I WAS A YOUNG WARTHOOOOOOOOOOOG

@  Rycochet : (29 March 2017 - 11:27 AM)

And it don't take money, don't take fame, don't need no credit card to ride this train.

@  Dracula : (29 March 2017 - 09:30 AM)

When I was a young boy, I had to fight King Garamoth for dominion of Earth

@  OrionPax44 : (29 March 2017 - 09:00 AM)

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to have her mailed to you?

@  ▲ndrusi : (29 March 2017 - 07:59 AM)

When I was a young boy, my father took me into Tahiti to see a marching band.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 03:32 PM)

When I was a young boy,my father said to me; 'There's only one girl in the world for you, and she probably lives in Tahiti.'

@  Lightbright : (28 March 2017 - 03:26 PM)

It's a magical place :)

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 02:20 PM)

They were all in Tahiti that day, oh, and those days too, but they totally know someone who was there.

@  Broadside : (28 March 2017 - 01:37 PM)

Supposedly one of Mainframe's friends died during AHM, so presumably they were THERE, just, like, off-panel.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Additionally, Skywatch was rushed; it took them 23 years to learn how to control Ravage and Laserbeak, and they didn't even have a year to try and get the Dynobots under control.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:58 AM)

Presumably dealing with other problems-The military was already routed to NYC before the blackout. And a counter terrorism unit is not something you have deal with an alien menace-it was Skywatch's purview, and even then, their problems started occurring only a year after Joes formation.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:57 AM)

I think the only way I would buy a Gi-Joe comic would be if they were paired up with the monsterbots.

@  Evac : (28 March 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Nah, the Monsterbots had that covered.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:43 AM)

Where were they when poop was hitting the fan with the Machination? You've got giant robot monsters battling in the open with an army of human controlled robot weapons... Maaaaybe that's the kind of thing they should have intervened in given how Skywatch failed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 11:37 AM)

There was a major coordinated military presence outside New York during AHM. Where was the elite special task force?

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:24 AM)

Well there was also Soundwave disrupting all communications so no one could coordinate and also Starscream killed the President, and everyone else on Air Force One, who were probably some of the few who actually knew about their existence

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:21 AM)

If your country is being torn apart by aliens, you use every tool at your disposal and two years before AHM still puts them in existance around the time of the Machination who were very much the kind of problem they should have been dealing with.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:10 AM)

IDW Joe was a top secret anti-terrorism unit made up of specialists. Not really "repelling an invasion force" material, plus they were formed two years before AHM

@  unluckiness : (28 March 2017 - 10:58 AM)

The Avengers were all Skrulls or something at the time

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 March 2017 - 10:45 AM)

It happened just like Spidey and SHIELD turned up in the original G1 comics.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 10:35 AM)

I try to forget that Avengers thing ever happened. I mean, aside from a throwaway line in Spotlight: Ramjet, it never comes up again anyway.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 10:29 AM)

They would have been #1 on the Presidents speed dial to deal with the problems caused by Skywatch losing control of the Transformers in their care.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 March 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Don't forget the Avengers. Megatron must have culled metahumans before AHM. Picture him personally tearing Spider-man in two.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 10:18 AM)

You'd think they would've intervened the time Megatron took over New York.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 08:25 AM)

I really don't care for Gi-Joe being retconned into sharing the same universe as Transformers, There have been too many Joe free events in America for them to have existed all along.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 March 2017 - 07:53 AM)

And now he gets to be a member of hugging G.I. Joe.

@  unluckiness : (28 March 2017 - 06:46 AM)

I don't think anyone was ever supposed to like him

@  Broadside : (28 March 2017 - 06:36 AM)

To be fair, Costa at least had the self-awareness to turn Spike into a villain when he realised that nobody liked him.

@  Jalaguy : (28 March 2017 - 05:17 AM)

And the "lol idgaf" approach to making itself part of the existing universe is stupid. They could have pivoted to be more G1-cartoon-y without throwing so much worldbuilding out the window for no reason.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

Some of the talk in the TR thread got me thinking about this. I myself really enjoy the current Prime Wars trilogy toys, but I also like that we've now had several different iterations of "G1 but new" toylines.

I've included Alternators, which I don't think will be controversial, but I've also included Universe 1.0 since one of its big angles was Post-G1 Molds Redecoed As G1 Characters in an age without on-screen G1 media.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:37 PM

As much as I love Combiner Wars (Titans Returns is closely after that), I have to give it to Classics. Nothing gave me that level of excitement and joy as that line did when it started.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

Admittedly, half of those lines were before my time (well... between my times) but for my money nothing comes close to the perfect fun of Titans Return.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:57 PM

I wasn't around for Reveal the Shield/Thrilling 30/most of Combiner Wars but Classics is definitely my favorite. It had a focus and a novelty that, by definition, the later ones just couldn't have, plus by virtue of being a "filler" line, it was just really short and sweet.  Plus most of the toys actually update the character designs in a cool, modern way instead of just trying to be the G1 toy with maybe a more modern vehicle mode like some of the later ones can be. Plus personally speaking, that was the first line I had the money to buy on my own and that was really exciting.

 

There's not a straight up bad toy in that entire line. Some are definitely better than others, but there aren't any total clunkers I don't think.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:59 PM

CW/TR, easily.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:08 PM

Gens FoC-T30. Was it a complete and cohesive line worthy of a "best" title? Probably not. Did it include several of the best Transformers figures literally ever made? Yes. Rattrap, Rhinox, and Springer are the toys I'd hang onto if I had to get rid of everything else. I loved the IDW designs for the care that went into reimagining these reimagined G1 guys into G1ish alt modes and making everything work nonetheless, which started (minus IDW influence) in Universe 2.0 but hit its peak in T30. 

 

I'm not a completionist, I've never* had that kind of funding. I like good individual toys more than I like collections. T30 was a lot of good individual toys.

 

* Well, I'm character-complete for Animated less Ironhide and Cliffjumper, but.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:41 PM

Generations 2010/Reveal the Shield. They still had ROTF's higher budget for plastic, so things could be more intricate, but most of the figures (not all) were more intuitive than Universe 2.0.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:52 PM

On the one hand, I feel like the next round of Gens was a polished version of what RtS was doing. On the other hand ... that's all it was; FoC / T30 didn't actually introduce anything new into that equation, just refined it. 



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:15 PM

While I have loved them all, especially at the times each came out (the next iteration would pretty much one-up the previous for me, mostly because I would have something new to look forward to), but TR has really been one of my favorites.  Head/Target/Powermasters were my absolute favorite gimmick, so this whole line of Titan Masters has really been fun to collect and fiddle with. 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:16 PM

Energon.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

Im sorry but my favorite year was 1987 and so CW/TR has pushed all the 87 buttons just right

 

 

But the Arcee/Scoop lineup is a close second


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

I should also say - combining lumping together CW and TR doesn't really work for me; PWT or not, CW sort of feels like a distant bad dream once TR comes along. It started strong but ran itself into the ground and even at its best it wasn't a patch on Titans Return.

Also Copper said a lot of wise stuff about the T30 era.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:42 PM

Energon.

You almost made me spit out my Coke!

I do recognize your point, though. Energon is second only to TR in being a TFTM redux.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:57 PM

CW managed to be the first non-Movie line that completely lost my interest.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

Retrospectively, I don't think I really liked any of the toylines! :D Not out of hate, just disinterest. I mean, there are standout "glad I bought these!" figures from each one, but I didn't really follow any like I did with RotF or Kre-O. Dunno how to rank anything when everything that wasn't Lugnut, Cosmos, and Sky Lynx were effectively just background noise.

 

 

 

Thrilling 30 was interesting because it was actual GenerationS for once, but it was also a time where prices went up, quality went down (Blitzwing's shoulders, Cosmos' head paint, Whirl's STENCH!!), and I had to start getting picky with toys...


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:29 PM

Someone should mock up catalogues for each line to help me decide.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:37 PM

I'm with Randy on this, in that I'll always have a fondness for Classics. That came around at just the right time -- the headiness of the peak of the Unicron Trilogy showing us the new was thriving, the anticipation of a new age with the Movie, and a concentrated taste of revisited originals. Many of them have been superseded since, but only because the established (and, sure, obvious) viability of that line made future iterations possible.

2.0 and T30 are great anniversary lines with a good breadth of product, with the latter being a bit of a better execution that was even symbiotically guided by a fiction tie-in that the former didn't quite get to have.

CW and TR elevated mold-maximization and reuse to an art form, and that's a feat in and of itself. All I could still want from CW is a G2 Defensor -- it managed to cover every vehicle combiner, and give us a great fan-vote one too. Here's hoping a later round gets us the beasts.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:02 PM

Universe 1.0: Nah. A bunch of weird recolors and little odds and ends. I do sorta wish I had picked up a Razorclaw and mammoth Nemesis Prime at the time though.

 

Alternators: Was also never a fan, I think the only two I ever got were Sideswipe and Swindle. Stuff like licensing and rubber wheels and realistic alt-modes aren't something I really care about, and overall the complexity and thin shells each had turned me off.

 

Classics: The one that started it all, eh? Certainly some very good toys (Voyager Optimus Prime is still my favorite Prime toy) but also had a fair amount of misses, as well, like Grimlock, the Ultimate Battle Set, etc.

 

Universe 2.0: Time has not treated this line well. There's still a few standouts (Cyclonus, Sunstreaker, Hound) but also some really big clunkers (Galvatron, Ironhide, Cheetor). My overall impression steers a bit negative because a lot of the toys in the middle have one or two things that I really keep me from liking the toy.

 

Generations (2010)/Reveal The Shield: RtS has some really great toys - Jazz, Perceptor, Laser Rod Prime, Wreck-Gar. Still mad I never found Lugnut. I could take or leave the WfC toys, but the neo-G1 toys like Scourge, Drift, and Kup are pretty good. The repaints are good too (depending on your view of the rancor the three Seekers caused), and oh yeah, we not only got a Straxus toy, but we got a AWESOME Straxus toy. The worst toy is probably, what, Thunderwing?

 

Generations (FoC/Thrilling 30): I've never been a fan of the video game aesthetic, and I think the FoC toys are definitely inferior to the WfC ones. The only one I got was Bruticus because hey, Bruticus, something that feels silly in retrospect after Combiner Wars. But Thrilling 30 has a bunch of great toys, enough that even outshines the odd clunker (Blitzwing).

 

Combiner Wars/Titan Masters: Lots of solid (if not great) toys, and scratches my itch to have all those 86-87 guys we hadn't gotten. But there was too much mold reuse in Combiner Wars, even skipping stuff like the '84-85 character repaints.

 

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Looking at my notes, I'm casting my vote for 2010/RtS, but Thrilling 30 is very close (and CW/TR right behind that). Looking back certainly does make me feel spoiled at some of the awesome stuff we're getting now, though... going from stuff like "well I guess a G1-ish repaint of Energon Devastator is good enough" to "FULL LINE OF COMBINERS" for example.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

Universe 1, because it wasn't a Neo-G1 line.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:59 AM

These poll options are awful. Universe 1.0 and Generations (2010) weren't even "Neo G1" lines. There's no option for Generations before FOC. Then toy lines that aren't similar are paired together.

Bad poll. Decent question though.

Alternators:
The only one I think still holds up is the 2nd Ravage (the one with the cat mode). The rest of the line is a neat gimmick that leads to a lot of frustration. This line might be among worst Transformers lines if you ask me.

Classics:
I was talking about this line with friends the other day. Mirage is still amazing. Others are still solid, but a lot of them were just good for the time. They also have that Cybertron charm. Also, I hate the Seeker mold. Mainly because it was subpar even for it's time and could've been tweaked to be great, but they never did. I'd probably rate this line higher if it wasn't so small. Even including the Botcon figures, Mini-Cons, and other repaints from Energon and Cybertron, the line is still well under a hundred toys. And only a 3rd of those (maybe even a 4th) were made for Classics.

Universe 2.0:
Had to bring up a list of this line to remind myself what was in it beyond the 2 BW figures and Cyclonus really is the best thing of the line. The rest kind of have the same issue as Alternators in that the complexity is a detriment. Aside from the 3 toys I mentioned, I don't think I still have anything left of this line in my collection. And the 2 BW toys from this line are not good. This is a pretty weak line in general in my opinion.

Generations Pre-FOC/Reveal the Shield:
While RTS is technically a movie line, it had a lot of toys clearly intended for Generations that would not have been released otherwise. The only real difference here is the rub signs on RTS. These lines are still mainly complex like U2.0, but I feel there's a few more streamlined figures that are good. I still have a lot of these lines on my shelves. Warpath is great. Jazz is great. Kup and Tracks are not perfect, but I sort of love them for that. WfC still fills a few of my character spots as well and WfC Prime is one of the complex ones that enjoy. Plus, we got leftfield stuff like Darkmount.

Fall of Cybetron:
This line is when the shift to more simple TFs was getting started. There's some good stuff here. Until TR, I'd point to this line's Blaster and Soundwave if you wanted a modern tape deck like chest gimmick. There are stand outs like Starscream that's basically an updated triangle seeker, but my favorite of the line is easily Air Raid with his badass combining sword. I still play with Air Raid from time to time. And I mean PLAY play, pew pew sound effects and all. I don't know if there's a way to recommend a toy more highly than that.

Oh...and this line had combiners that a lot of us would like to forget.

Thrilling 30:
This is the line hardest to not cheat with because half of the highlights aren't G1. Those Beast Wars toys are amazing and more important to me than G1 stuff. Armada Starscream and BM Tankor are super fun...and there's some great G1 stuff to. The line is at odds with itself if judged as "Neo G1" because it's great for not being JUST G1. Eitherway, Springer is a masterpiece. Arcee (at least Takara's paint job) is a wonderful Arcee, the Legends class is full of great stuff. Cosmos is [insert positive adjective here]. I think this is the high point for Generations for me, but I'm aware a lot of that is because half of it isn't G1.

Combiner Wars:
I have a huge love/hate relationship with Combiner Wars. I feel that they successfully made a modern combiner...Superion. If the torso is Silverbolt or one of his retools, then it's going to be a great combiner. Every other torso (save for Sky Lynx who comes close, but misses thanks to QC) sucks as a torso. Plus, one bad figure pretty much ruins the whole combiner. There's still a few stand out singles like Rook and really all of the Protectabots when they aren't combined. I wouldn't call this line bad so much as just a disappointment.

Titans Return:
Still ongoing, so this could change. I like it more than CW if only because a dud in this line is pretty self contained to it's own package (or only cost $5). More importantly (for me), beast modes are back again! I know it wasn't that long, but I missed that variety in CW. Other than that, I love the Titanmasters and really everything about them as a concept. The TM class is like Micromasters and MASK had baby. The line realizes that if they're going to have the heads become tiny robots, they need stuff to interact with. To me, TR is the line that doesn't just update old toys, but also updates the gimmick and makes it better.

So yeah, best of these is Thrilling 30, but I'm not sure how much of that greatness really belongs to G1, just that it had a lot of great toys and some were G1. Close 2nd is either TR, Pre-FOC Gen, or RTS. Classics, FOC, CW, and U2.0 round out the middle. Bottom is easily Alternators.





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