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@  TM2-Megatron : (17 December 2017 - 02:18 AM)

TBH, the use of the word "boudoir" seemed a bit more out of place to me than the humour... has a non-English Terran language ever been established as existing in Star Wars before?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 December 2017 - 01:28 AM)

It's not like it's a big deal anyway. I mean, anything with Aurebesh in it is demonstrably non-canon, because there's no X in Aurebesh so X-Wings wouldn't be called X-Wings, right?

@  unitremover : (16 December 2017 - 11:48 PM)

That said, I do think it is really weird that

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@  unitremover : (16 December 2017 - 11:47 PM)

Yeah, TLJ felt a lot more mindful about when it broke out the quips/jokes than I think the Marvel movie comparison implies

@  2017 : (16 December 2017 - 09:35 PM)

I'm fine with the humour because the rest of the universe feels legit, and it's not ten quips a minute like those bloody Marvel movies.

@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 09:22 PM)

It's mostly

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@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 09:21 PM)

Do spoiler tags work here?

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@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:13 PM)

Less than 3 hours to go, now

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:11 PM)

Also, it can't be worse than those awful "sarcastic" jokes in the beginning of AotC that were meant to establish a camaraderie between Anakin and Obi-Wan where it was clear that none existed.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:09 PM)

Doesn't sound like something I'll be bothered by; movies have to change at least a little bit with the times

@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 07:59 PM)

Yeah, there was some sarcastic humor that wasn't really present in the classic movies

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 December 2017 - 02:00 PM)

I didn't have a problem with it. But it DOES skew a bit more "modern" in ways the humor of prior films didn't, short maybe Rogue One

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 01:20 PM)

I'm staying spoiler-free until I see it tonight, but a number of people seem really angry at the humour in the film

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 01:19 PM)

I've already noticed some backlash against it over on blu-ray.com, but a lot of it seems to stem from anger about the Disney/Fox deal

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 December 2017 - 11:23 AM)

Because internet.

@  Bass X0 : (16 December 2017 - 11:20 AM)

Why are people getting so upset with other people's opinions of a family space movie?

@  wonko the sane? : (16 December 2017 - 10:43 AM)

I have lost my entire morning to a god damn nose bleed...

@  RichardT1977 : (16 December 2017 - 10:21 AM)

Turn around, bright eyes...

@  Pennpenn : (16 December 2017 - 01:18 AM)

Bismillah!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 December 2017 - 12:30 AM)

DOOT DOO DEDOODOO

@  MEDdMI : (16 December 2017 - 12:16 AM)

MAHNA MAHNA

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 December 2017 - 12:12 AM)

Though we touched and went our separate ways...

@  Echowarrior : (15 December 2017 - 09:56 PM)

We're running with the shadows of the night...

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 December 2017 - 03:42 PM)

Sweet dreams are made of this. Who am I to disagree?

@  Bass X0 : (15 December 2017 - 02:50 PM)

We're not gonna sit in silence, we're not gonna live with fear

@  lastmaximal : (15 December 2017 - 10:54 AM)

WHOA WHOAA WHOAAAAAAA-OH

@  unluckiness : (15 December 2017 - 10:20 AM)

Not that song, that's for sure

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2017 - 08:29 AM)

What's new pussycat?

@  Bass X0 : (14 December 2017 - 06:51 PM)

Neither is it unusual to be loved by anyone.

@  Steevy Maximus : (13 December 2017 - 11:30 PM)

I mean it's not unusual for Starz content to be on Netflix...it just gets a bit more of a notice ahead of time :p

@  Shrug : (13 December 2017 - 10:32 PM)

@Steevy It popped up out of nowhere. No one knew it was coming until it was just suddenly there. It was kind of surprising for everyone.

@  Paladin : (13 December 2017 - 09:52 PM)

i don't remember that League. was Charizard there?

@  Steevy Maximus : (13 December 2017 - 09:29 PM)

WHY WAS I NOT NOTIFIED ASH VS EVIL DEAD WAS ON NETFLIX?!

@  Shrug : (13 December 2017 - 07:37 PM)

Yeah,Mrs Shrug actually had to return something already. She managed to buy me the thing I bought the day before the embargo went in effect and noticed in on my shelf a week later.

@  MidnightFox : (13 December 2017 - 05:40 PM)

She makes me buy my own present and then wraps it because she doesn't want to attempt to figure out what I own already. :D

@  Shrug : (13 December 2017 - 05:31 PM)

But she did grant an exception for half off and free shipping on that RID Bee and Grimlock set

@  Shrug : (13 December 2017 - 05:31 PM)

My marriage only has a no-toys rule during December, so I dont run the risk of doubling a Christmas present

@  MidnightFox : (13 December 2017 - 05:28 PM)

Been together since '03 and married 10 of that. ;)

@  TM2-Megatron : (13 December 2017 - 05:12 PM)

hang on to that one, then. I've found it rare to meet someone that doesn't hassle you about spending money after a certain point in the relationship

@  MidnightFox : (13 December 2017 - 05:02 PM)

I'm married and Bass is still dead on

@  TM2-Megatron : (13 December 2017 - 04:53 PM)

As long as you aren't married, anyway

@  Bass X0 : (13 December 2017 - 04:47 PM)

being an adult means you can buy all the toys, games and gadgets you want when you want without having to wait until christmas for them

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 December 2017 - 11:47 AM)

Save it for your momma.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 December 2017 - 08:44 AM)

We could depict the ensuing chaos in an Obama llama drama diorama.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (13 December 2017 - 06:22 AM)

That's just asking for Obama llama drama.

@  Echowarrior : (12 December 2017 - 10:44 PM)

For pun value, the ideal plush animal for Obama would be a llama. It rhymes.

@  Shrug : (12 December 2017 - 03:31 PM)

My game clan and all our servers just shut down. No warning to any of us outside upper admin. :(

@  wonko the sane? : (12 December 2017 - 01:55 PM)

But a stuffed monkey in a little suit would be adorablooohhh I get it now.

@  Paladin : (12 December 2017 - 11:21 AM)

knowing the people behind it, the Obama stuffed animal would probably be a monkey.

@  Pennpenn : (12 December 2017 - 06:43 AM)

The only thing that would make that even dumber would be if there had been some "Obama bear" made at some point and Trump had made a tweet scorning it.


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#21 MightyMegs

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:07 PM

I've spent plenty of $ on sticker and upgrade kits for Metroplex... and I still like Fort Max better.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:15 PM

Fort Max may be one of the first modern Transformers I sell since my great purge about 7 years ago. And I've only had him since Christmas. He makes me want an original, and Bain really hit it on the head about those ramps.

 

I owned an incomplete original in the early 2000s. Cerebros/Spike is better. Everything else is trumped by a 30 year old toy.

 

FM is the 2016 version of Titanium Soundwave when compared to the original. Stupid feet...stupid legs. Least he isn't wearing a diaper.


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#23 Bainreese

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

I can't believe it took that long for someone to call Fort Max lazy.

 

I'm not a Hasbro sycophant like some and I'm not a constant basher like others.  I understand I have adult expectations on what is otherwise a kids toy line.  But come on.  Ramps would have been a single piece of molded plastic tacked with a pin onto the ends that would have covered very obvious hands and would have been completely inline with the G1 figure.  It would have provided more play value for the toy and would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

That is only the ramp issue....glaring and obvious as it is.  That doesn't even touch on the fact that the 30 year old toy it was meant to be an update for had more play features.

The ramps are a pet peeve of mine for sure.  Perhaps even to the point of being Phazer-level annoying with my disdain for what a big miss it was.  But I don't even play with my toys like kids do and it bugs me its missing such a simple, cheap, and obviously needed play feature.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:41 PM

I kinda touched on this over in the Trypticon thread.  I think part of what is making Titan Masters such a successful line for so many of us is the fact that Hasbro has given us something that we didn't even get with G1 Headmasters.

#1.  An entire line of Headmasters rather than just a subline

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

#3.  Smaller transformable vehicles as well as base-modes for almost all larger than deluxe figures.

#4.  Titan Master features in the guns and larger figures specifically designed around the Titan Masters.

 

#1 is undeniably true, and quite cool.

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

#3 is a MAJOR plus.

#4 is true... but honestly, I'm not all that enthusiastic about it. Still, it's intentional, and there are folks who like it, so I guess it works.

 

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:43 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:45 PM

I like the toy, so I hold no disdain for it... 

 

But yeah. All the other options offered in this thread are better. 



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:54 PM

Same here.  He's certainly nice.  Just not as good as Metroplex or the original.

 

Fortress and Cerebros are great though.




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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:09 PM

I don't think either one is worth it.  



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:29 PM

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.

As you should.  G1 Fort Max is way more fun.  And a hell of a lot sturdier... grumblegrumblefallingofframpsandcollapsinglegsgrumblegrumble..


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:40 PM

I don't even think of Metroplex and Fortress Maximus as serving the same purpose, honestly. Plex is part of the Legends/Cyberverse collection, Max is part of the not-those collection.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:55 PM

 

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

 

 

There's certainly greater variety now, but I was thinking of Headmaster Jrs. as being a distinct size-class from the previous years' Headmasters. The heads still worked back-and-forth, though.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 08:12 PM

I bought the SDCC FM in a sale before Christmas. It's nice enough as a big Transformer but definitely underwhelming. The city mode is only really a glorified hub to attach Leader base modes too and most of the TM pegs only work in this mode. A lot of the ports for weapons (including those designed to seat TMs) feel really badly placed and conflict with each other.

The weird box on his left leg annoys me and really would have benefitted from being some kind of vehicle.

If you want to have a toy where size is the gimmick then it works. But as a transformer and the big ticket item of the fun Titans Return line it's really underwhelming.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

I have only had Fort Max since Christmas. I like him but I find myself questioning how to display him due to space constraints. So sadly, he is not displayed. I still want Generations Metroplex but I'm not willing to shell out the exorbitant prices he is going for now. I also never owned any of the G1 cities. All that being said, I'm glad to finally own a city-former.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:37 PM

I passed on Generations Metroplex back when he was released because he just seemed kind of "meh" to me.  His city mode looked pretty half-assed to my eyes, but I will grant that his rolling battle platform mode was decent.  I did track down a loose Scamper a couple of years ago though, and I really like him.  Because I don't own Metroplex, he has been added in as Fort Max's little buddy.

 

I do understand the criticism that TR/LG Fort Max is underwhelming in his city mode, what with the lack of ramps to cover those fists (seriously, it's unforgivable).  And yes, G1 Fort Max succeeds in both alt modes where the modern update falls short.  However, I have - and continue to have - a lot of fun with TR/LG Fort Max. Yes, I bought both releases and no, I don't regret them. Cerebros and Fortress are great and I have found a lot of ways to display other Transformers in my collection around him.

 

So yeah, uh, get whichever one appeals to you or don't.  If you already own Metroplex and are on the fence about Fort Max, I'd say do it.  He ticks different boxes and is aesthetically pleasing in robot mode.  He'll look great in your collection and who knows, you might even have a little fun with him.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:09 PM

I should probably give up on the fantasy that I'm ever going to be willing to pay for an SDCC Metroplex and just buy the little Decoy guys who are the only part of it I really wanted in the first place.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:22 PM

Price is a HUGE factor. If you already own Metroplex, he is absolutely not worth it at full retail, as he's overall an inferior figure (unless you need Cerebros).

Find him at a decent sale price, and he becomes a relatively inexpensive way to add something massive to the collection.

Regarding his base mode, Blaster somehow manages to provide a much better base for Titan Masters at a fraction of the cost.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:00 AM

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
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(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:58 AM

 

 

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
You want "play integration" but when Hasbro gives you some they hear

(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

 

 

Yes, I'd rather the figure be a complete toy itself before it starts trying to be compatible with everything else.  Sort of like a hitch on my car is great to be able to tow a trailer.  But don't leave the hood of the car off so that I can have a hitch.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 12:56 AM

I got Fort Max for Christmas, and Metroplex a couple of Christmases ago, and honestly? I love him. Honestly, I don't feel he's much like Metroplex at all, even despite the shared parts, save for in robot mode, where some of the iffier issues are shared as well (i.e. kind of a wobbly stance).

 

That said, not having owned a G1 Fort Max, I still want to. He just seems better overall, though TR Fort Max does kind of have his own thing going on. Different from Metroplex, but not as well done as G1. I still want to get a rifle for Cerebros, and a large gun for the robot and ship modes.

 

Really, the best way to describe Fort Max as being like a compromise between G1 Fort Max and Generations Metroplex. The base mode has grown on me as well.

 

But if you own Metroplex and want Trypticon? I'd probably say save for Trypticon, though that also depends on your feelings about Fort Max being Fort Max. I've wanted Fort Max for three decades, and I'm probably not getting him any time soon (and for what my wife paid for TR, she might have been able to get the reissue for not much more), so this is good by me.

 

Then again, part of that probably owes to the longtime fantasy of "being" Spike, being in command of this huge base and this huge starship and joining with this huge robot. Fortress Maximus was the realization of what Spike was supposed to be, that relatable connection between the viewer and the Transformers themselves.

 

So yeah, your mileage may vary.

 

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