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@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

I'm genuinely amused/impressed, even if it wasn't intentional.

@  Benbot : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

That's a lot of shouting

@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:37 PM)

Wow, Bass, your post took up the entire Shoutbox exactly without being over/under a line.

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 March 2017 - 02:36 PM)

The best Marvel issue is, was, and always will be Decepticon Graffiti. The Battlechargers are awesome.

@  Bass X0 : (01 March 2017 - 02:27 PM)

ReGeneration was criticised for being too slow paced and drawn out way too long, yet the Decepticon leaders are introduced and dispatched just to tick the box that they made an appearance. I also preferred the single stand alone stories from the original Marvel comics instead of each issue having like four different plots running through it, which didn't make for satisfying reading IMO. If a writer is writing for a trade, don't release individual issues. I also thought the artwork was poor - before, the Marvel comics tried to have the best artwork they could at the time, whereas now they were intentionally limiting themselves to appear "retro", and it shows. The pacing was the worst though, some characters just stand around doing nothing to progress their part of the story, like Shockwave's segments. In contrast, compare any six consecutive issues from the Marvel comics and a whole lot more happens than in RG1. Furman also fell into his pattern of wasting space world building and pointless scenes when the story had to end at #100.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:10 PM)

Even then, Furman's material never really had a huge toy-push aspect to it, other than "here's new character!"

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:09 PM)

Considering it was a wrap-up for a story whose toyline had ended anyway, I feel like it worked out well enough. I mean, the last major iteration did play an important part in things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:04 PM)

New comics didn't need to shill any toys at all...so there wasn't any push to do weird and different things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:03 PM)

The big problem is that stuff like the old comics were produced under the idea of shilling toys...which ultimately resulted in a lot of the weirdness people remember

@  Rycochet : (01 March 2017 - 02:01 PM)

He was hired to write an exercise in nostalgia and that's what he produced.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 01:38 PM)

Speaking of Marvel, finally read the rest of ReGeneration One, thanks to a Comixology sale. I... don't understand the hate.

@  lastmaximal : (28 February 2017 - 09:09 PM)

Works for some, not all. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trademark

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 08:57 PM)

Yeah, making it "Autobot X" seems to be their way of getting around many of those issues with overly generic terms

@  Rycochet : (28 February 2017 - 08:41 PM)

Hasbro would just call the toys Marvel's Thunderstrike or Autobot/Decepticon Thunderstrike.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 08:19 PM)

D.C. owns Bumblebee and they've made toys of her, so if a Mattel licensee can share names with a TF...

@  Telly : (28 February 2017 - 07:42 PM)

doesnt marvel own that? i know theyve got the comic character, not sure about the name for toys though. there ever been a thunderstrike figure? would it even be in the same area as a tf name?

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:38 PM)

You know, "Thunderstrike" would actually be a pretty kickass TF name! Surprised it's never been used!

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:27 PM)

Thunderstruck.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:25 PM)

How about Thunderblust? http://gatherer.wiza...iverseid=157411

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:23 PM)

Or Shockburninator, who turns into a satellite and a dragon.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Burninationblastatron

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

It's Thunderblast, but she turns into a wingaling dragon instead of "transforming" into a boat.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Thunderburninator.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:20 PM)

You need to get "blast" in there somewhere

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 11:26 AM)

THATCH-ROOF COTTAGEEEEEEEEES

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2017 - 03:06 AM)

Only if the packaging looks like a thatch-roofed cottage.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 09:27 PM)

They need to make a dragonbot named "Burninatron."

@  BlackMax : (27 February 2017 - 09:15 PM)

I find upcoming Last Knght's Steelbane sexy. A very Skyrim name for a giant robot who is also a dragon? Be still my heart.

@  MEDdMI : (27 February 2017 - 06:24 PM)

I never found most Hollywood heartthrobs sexy, even if they were around my age. I think I knew even back then that the char they play doesn't reflect how the actor really looks/behaves.

@  Rycochet : (27 February 2017 - 06:11 PM)

The only thing I've seen with Megan Fox in is the Jonah Hex movie... She was bad, but everyone and everything was bad.

@  RichardT1977 : (27 February 2017 - 05:53 PM)

Modern western culture, ladies and gentlemen...

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:50 PM)

Ha! You can't fool a true Z-block afficionado like me! That's actually an S-block viewed from behind!

@  The Doctor Who : (27 February 2017 - 04:36 PM)

*unveils a Tetris Z-Block in moody lighting* Not at aaaaall?

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:27 PM)

That would be silly.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Because I definitely wasn't. Nope. Not at all.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Am I the only straight male Nintendo fan who was never strangely aroused by the Tetris Z-block?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:28 PM)

Her acting makes her come across as a living Pat Lee illustration.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:27 PM)

No. No, you're not.

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 01:26 PM)

And am I the only straight male Transformers fan who never found Megan Fox attractive?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:21 PM)

Especially since she's the same age as my parents.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:19 PM)

It's like I instinctually knew that by the time I watched the movies, it'd be weird since IRL she was way older than me.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:18 PM)

Am I, like, the only straight male Star Wars fan who never had a thing for Leia?

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 12:44 PM)

Call the police!

@  Paladin : (27 February 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Kubo got robbed. TWICE.

@  Lazy Garou : (27 February 2017 - 08:10 AM)

god! Thrawn is awesome.he's got super detective skills!

@  Telly : (27 February 2017 - 01:10 AM)

i didnt. not until '83 anyway :thumbsup

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 01:00 AM)

Yeah, that was a hard one to take. So many nerds from '77 on must've grown up having a crush on her

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:34 AM)

I mean, I knew it was coming, but just hearing Carrie say "May the Force be with you" hurt :(

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:32 AM)

They always save the saddest deaths for last in the "in memoriam" sequence.

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 12:30 AM)

I am glad they made the right choice with Best Animated, even if it was a tough call this year.


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#21 MightyMegs

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:07 PM

I've spent plenty of $ on sticker and upgrade kits for Metroplex... and I still like Fort Max better.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:15 PM

Fort Max may be one of the first modern Transformers I sell since my great purge about 7 years ago. And I've only had him since Christmas. He makes me want an original, and Bain really hit it on the head about those ramps.

 

I owned an incomplete original in the early 2000s. Cerebros/Spike is better. Everything else is trumped by a 30 year old toy.

 

FM is the 2016 version of Titanium Soundwave when compared to the original. Stupid feet...stupid legs. Least he isn't wearing a diaper.


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#23 Bainreese

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

I can't believe it took that long for someone to call Fort Max lazy.

 

I'm not a Hasbro sycophant like some and I'm not a constant basher like others.  I understand I have adult expectations on what is otherwise a kids toy line.  But come on.  Ramps would have been a single piece of molded plastic tacked with a pin onto the ends that would have covered very obvious hands and would have been completely inline with the G1 figure.  It would have provided more play value for the toy and would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

That is only the ramp issue....glaring and obvious as it is.  That doesn't even touch on the fact that the 30 year old toy it was meant to be an update for had more play features.

The ramps are a pet peeve of mine for sure.  Perhaps even to the point of being Phazer-level annoying with my disdain for what a big miss it was.  But I don't even play with my toys like kids do and it bugs me its missing such a simple, cheap, and obviously needed play feature.


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#24 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:41 PM

I kinda touched on this over in the Trypticon thread.  I think part of what is making Titan Masters such a successful line for so many of us is the fact that Hasbro has given us something that we didn't even get with G1 Headmasters.

#1.  An entire line of Headmasters rather than just a subline

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

#3.  Smaller transformable vehicles as well as base-modes for almost all larger than deluxe figures.

#4.  Titan Master features in the guns and larger figures specifically designed around the Titan Masters.

 

#1 is undeniably true, and quite cool.

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

#3 is a MAJOR plus.

#4 is true... but honestly, I'm not all that enthusiastic about it. Still, it's intentional, and there are folks who like it, so I guess it works.

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:43 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:45 PM

I like the toy, so I hold no disdain for it... 

 

But yeah. All the other options offered in this thread are better. 



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:54 PM

Same here.  He's certainly nice.  Just not as good as Metroplex or the original.

 

Fortress and Cerebros are great though.




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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:09 PM

I don't think either one is worth it.  



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:29 PM

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.

As you should.  G1 Fort Max is way more fun.  And a hell of a lot sturdier... grumblegrumblefallingofframpsandcollapsinglegsgrumblegrumble..


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:40 PM

I don't even think of Metroplex and Fortress Maximus as serving the same purpose, honestly. Plex is part of the Legends/Cyberverse collection, Max is part of the not-those collection.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:55 PM

 

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

 

 

There's certainly greater variety now, but I was thinking of Headmaster Jrs. as being a distinct size-class from the previous years' Headmasters. The heads still worked back-and-forth, though.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 08:12 PM

I bought the SDCC FM in a sale before Christmas. It's nice enough as a big Transformer but definitely underwhelming. The city mode is only really a glorified hub to attach Leader base modes too and most of the TM pegs only work in this mode. A lot of the ports for weapons (including those designed to seat TMs) feel really badly placed and conflict with each other.

The weird box on his left leg annoys me and really would have benefitted from being some kind of vehicle.

If you want to have a toy where size is the gimmick then it works. But as a transformer and the big ticket item of the fun Titans Return line it's really underwhelming.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

I have only had Fort Max since Christmas. I like him but I find myself questioning how to display him due to space constraints. So sadly, he is not displayed. I still want Generations Metroplex but I'm not willing to shell out the exorbitant prices he is going for now. I also never owned any of the G1 cities. All that being said, I'm glad to finally own a city-former.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:37 PM

I passed on Generations Metroplex back when he was released because he just seemed kind of "meh" to me.  His city mode looked pretty half-assed to my eyes, but I will grant that his rolling battle platform mode was decent.  I did track down a loose Scamper a couple of years ago though, and I really like him.  Because I don't own Metroplex, he has been added in as Fort Max's little buddy.

 

I do understand the criticism that TR/LG Fort Max is underwhelming in his city mode, what with the lack of ramps to cover those fists (seriously, it's unforgivable).  And yes, G1 Fort Max succeeds in both alt modes where the modern update falls short.  However, I have - and continue to have - a lot of fun with TR/LG Fort Max. Yes, I bought both releases and no, I don't regret them. Cerebros and Fortress are great and I have found a lot of ways to display other Transformers in my collection around him.

 

So yeah, uh, get whichever one appeals to you or don't.  If you already own Metroplex and are on the fence about Fort Max, I'd say do it.  He ticks different boxes and is aesthetically pleasing in robot mode.  He'll look great in your collection and who knows, you might even have a little fun with him.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:09 PM

I should probably give up on the fantasy that I'm ever going to be willing to pay for an SDCC Metroplex and just buy the little Decoy guys who are the only part of it I really wanted in the first place.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:22 PM

Price is a HUGE factor. If you already own Metroplex, he is absolutely not worth it at full retail, as he's overall an inferior figure (unless you need Cerebros).

Find him at a decent sale price, and he becomes a relatively inexpensive way to add something massive to the collection.

Regarding his base mode, Blaster somehow manages to provide a much better base for Titan Masters at a fraction of the cost.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:00 AM

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
You want "play integration" but when Hasbro gives you some they hear

(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:58 AM

 

 

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
You want "play integration" but when Hasbro gives you some they hear

(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

 

 

Yes, I'd rather the figure be a complete toy itself before it starts trying to be compatible with everything else.  Sort of like a hitch on my car is great to be able to tow a trailer.  But don't leave the hood of the car off so that I can have a hitch.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 12:56 AM

I got Fort Max for Christmas, and Metroplex a couple of Christmases ago, and honestly? I love him. Honestly, I don't feel he's much like Metroplex at all, even despite the shared parts, save for in robot mode, where some of the iffier issues are shared as well (i.e. kind of a wobbly stance).

 

That said, not having owned a G1 Fort Max, I still want to. He just seems better overall, though TR Fort Max does kind of have his own thing going on. Different from Metroplex, but not as well done as G1. I still want to get a rifle for Cerebros, and a large gun for the robot and ship modes.

 

Really, the best way to describe Fort Max as being like a compromise between G1 Fort Max and Generations Metroplex. The base mode has grown on me as well.

 

But if you own Metroplex and want Trypticon? I'd probably say save for Trypticon, though that also depends on your feelings about Fort Max being Fort Max. I've wanted Fort Max for three decades, and I'm probably not getting him any time soon (and for what my wife paid for TR, she might have been able to get the reissue for not much more), so this is good by me.

 

Then again, part of that probably owes to the longtime fantasy of "being" Spike, being in command of this huge base and this huge starship and joining with this huge robot. Fortress Maximus was the realization of what Spike was supposed to be, that relatable connection between the viewer and the Transformers themselves.

 

So yeah, your mileage may vary.

 

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