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@  RichardT1977 : (28 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

@BlackMax Thank you, Dimitri Martin.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 07:55 PM)

Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'... Into the future~♪

@  BlackMax : (28 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

God spelled backwards is dog. Cat spelled backwards is tac. Pterodactyl spelled backwards is really hard to pronounce.

@  Waspinator : (28 April 2017 - 06:46 PM)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

@  LordGigaIce : (28 April 2017 - 06:12 PM)

you too, eh?

@  Locoman : (28 April 2017 - 05:40 PM)

Well, I don't know about you, but personally I clawed my way free from the corpse of a goat during the autumn equinox.

@  LordGigaIce : (28 April 2017 - 05:37 PM)

Yep. Also diseases are painful. And trucks are weird!

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 04:41 PM)

we're all someone's daughters... we're all someone's sons...

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 03:22 PM)

Your creative writing professor is a god, then.

@  Diecast : (28 April 2017 - 03:17 PM)

My creative writing professor read that to my class once, all those years ago.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

Sorry, whenever anyone brings up anything related to badfic, I immediately think of Repercussions of Evil.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:29 PM)

"No! I must kill the trolls" he shouted. The radio said "No, John. You are the trolls" And then John was a shitposter.

@  Locoman : (28 April 2017 - 02:25 PM)

you lived like a spammer ans died to an moderator

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

He lived a spammer, and died a moderator.

@  WorkbenchManiac : (28 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill posts along with the good and let me be judged accordingly."

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 April 2017 - 01:49 PM)

Fool! Snark is my friend! Allow me to introduce you to it!

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:49 AM)

And I... Have my sarcasm.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 April 2017 - 11:47 AM)

Search history has changed! Spam forums triumph! And you....you no longer post relevant content!

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:46 AM)

Mayhem hazzzz planzzzz.

@  Nutjob R/T : (28 April 2017 - 11:36 AM)

Subforums don't die. They wait. And plan.

@  Benbot : (28 April 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Are there any plans to delete or move dead subforums?

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.


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#21 MightyMegs

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:07 PM

I've spent plenty of $ on sticker and upgrade kits for Metroplex... and I still like Fort Max better.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:15 PM

Fort Max may be one of the first modern Transformers I sell since my great purge about 7 years ago. And I've only had him since Christmas. He makes me want an original, and Bain really hit it on the head about those ramps.

 

I owned an incomplete original in the early 2000s. Cerebros/Spike is better. Everything else is trumped by a 30 year old toy.

 

FM is the 2016 version of Titanium Soundwave when compared to the original. Stupid feet...stupid legs. Least he isn't wearing a diaper.


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#23 Bainreese

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

I can't believe it took that long for someone to call Fort Max lazy.

 

I'm not a Hasbro sycophant like some and I'm not a constant basher like others.  I understand I have adult expectations on what is otherwise a kids toy line.  But come on.  Ramps would have been a single piece of molded plastic tacked with a pin onto the ends that would have covered very obvious hands and would have been completely inline with the G1 figure.  It would have provided more play value for the toy and would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

That is only the ramp issue....glaring and obvious as it is.  That doesn't even touch on the fact that the 30 year old toy it was meant to be an update for had more play features.

The ramps are a pet peeve of mine for sure.  Perhaps even to the point of being Phazer-level annoying with my disdain for what a big miss it was.  But I don't even play with my toys like kids do and it bugs me its missing such a simple, cheap, and obviously needed play feature.


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#24 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:41 PM

I kinda touched on this over in the Trypticon thread.  I think part of what is making Titan Masters such a successful line for so many of us is the fact that Hasbro has given us something that we didn't even get with G1 Headmasters.

#1.  An entire line of Headmasters rather than just a subline

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

#3.  Smaller transformable vehicles as well as base-modes for almost all larger than deluxe figures.

#4.  Titan Master features in the guns and larger figures specifically designed around the Titan Masters.

 

#1 is undeniably true, and quite cool.

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

#3 is a MAJOR plus.

#4 is true... but honestly, I'm not all that enthusiastic about it. Still, it's intentional, and there are folks who like it, so I guess it works.

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:43 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:45 PM

I like the toy, so I hold no disdain for it... 

 

But yeah. All the other options offered in this thread are better. 



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:54 PM

Same here.  He's certainly nice.  Just not as good as Metroplex or the original.

 

Fortress and Cerebros are great though.




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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:09 PM

I don't think either one is worth it.  



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:29 PM

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

Quite honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of disdain that TR Fort Max is getting in this thread.

 

But I'm certainly happy to have my G1 Fort Max affirmed.

As you should.  G1 Fort Max is way more fun.  And a hell of a lot sturdier... grumblegrumblefallingofframpsandcollapsinglegsgrumblegrumble..


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:40 PM

I don't even think of Metroplex and Fortress Maximus as serving the same purpose, honestly. Plex is part of the Legends/Cyberverse collection, Max is part of the not-those collection.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:55 PM

 

 

 

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

 

 

 

#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....

 

 

Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?

 

 

Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

 

 

There's certainly greater variety now, but I was thinking of Headmaster Jrs. as being a distinct size-class from the previous years' Headmasters. The heads still worked back-and-forth, though.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 08:12 PM

I bought the SDCC FM in a sale before Christmas. It's nice enough as a big Transformer but definitely underwhelming. The city mode is only really a glorified hub to attach Leader base modes too and most of the TM pegs only work in this mode. A lot of the ports for weapons (including those designed to seat TMs) feel really badly placed and conflict with each other.

The weird box on his left leg annoys me and really would have benefitted from being some kind of vehicle.

If you want to have a toy where size is the gimmick then it works. But as a transformer and the big ticket item of the fun Titans Return line it's really underwhelming.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

I have only had Fort Max since Christmas. I like him but I find myself questioning how to display him due to space constraints. So sadly, he is not displayed. I still want Generations Metroplex but I'm not willing to shell out the exorbitant prices he is going for now. I also never owned any of the G1 cities. All that being said, I'm glad to finally own a city-former.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:37 PM

I passed on Generations Metroplex back when he was released because he just seemed kind of "meh" to me.  His city mode looked pretty half-assed to my eyes, but I will grant that his rolling battle platform mode was decent.  I did track down a loose Scamper a couple of years ago though, and I really like him.  Because I don't own Metroplex, he has been added in as Fort Max's little buddy.

 

I do understand the criticism that TR/LG Fort Max is underwhelming in his city mode, what with the lack of ramps to cover those fists (seriously, it's unforgivable).  And yes, G1 Fort Max succeeds in both alt modes where the modern update falls short.  However, I have - and continue to have - a lot of fun with TR/LG Fort Max. Yes, I bought both releases and no, I don't regret them. Cerebros and Fortress are great and I have found a lot of ways to display other Transformers in my collection around him.

 

So yeah, uh, get whichever one appeals to you or don't.  If you already own Metroplex and are on the fence about Fort Max, I'd say do it.  He ticks different boxes and is aesthetically pleasing in robot mode.  He'll look great in your collection and who knows, you might even have a little fun with him.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:09 PM

I should probably give up on the fantasy that I'm ever going to be willing to pay for an SDCC Metroplex and just buy the little Decoy guys who are the only part of it I really wanted in the first place.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:22 PM

Price is a HUGE factor. If you already own Metroplex, he is absolutely not worth it at full retail, as he's overall an inferior figure (unless you need Cerebros).

Find him at a decent sale price, and he becomes a relatively inexpensive way to add something massive to the collection.

Regarding his base mode, Blaster somehow manages to provide a much better base for Titan Masters at a fraction of the cost.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:00 AM

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
You want "play integration" but when Hasbro gives you some they hear

(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:58 AM

 

 

 

 
#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.
 

 
 
#2? There was never any size of Headmaster head that didn't work in all other Headmasters made, to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it was more accidental than intentional, but I'm disinclined to include this as a distinct point in TR's favor....
 
 
Yeah, we live in a pretty good time, don't we?
 
 
Perhaps a better way to say this is that they have made a gimmick where the headmasters are interchangeable between size classes and made a far greater variety of size classes that interact with the headmaster.  In G1 the headmasters were all of a size with one another with the exception of Scorponok and Fort Max.  Whereas with TR we've not only got a Fort Max, but we have leaders, voyagers, and deluxes that all have interchangeable heads and even some legends that have integrated headmaster compartments.

We do live in a great time and my irritation with Hasbro for being lazy with Fort Max should not overshadow my love for all the other things they are doing in the same way that being critical of my daughter's overuse of the word 'like' 5 times in a sentence doesn't mean I love her less.  ;-)
You want "play integration" but when Hasbro gives you some they hear

(it) would have been more appropriate than the two red mini-ramps that are meant to marry up with completely different figures someone may or may not own.

 

 

Yes, I'd rather the figure be a complete toy itself before it starts trying to be compatible with everything else.  Sort of like a hitch on my car is great to be able to tow a trailer.  But don't leave the hood of the car off so that I can have a hitch.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 12:56 AM

I got Fort Max for Christmas, and Metroplex a couple of Christmases ago, and honestly? I love him. Honestly, I don't feel he's much like Metroplex at all, even despite the shared parts, save for in robot mode, where some of the iffier issues are shared as well (i.e. kind of a wobbly stance).

 

That said, not having owned a G1 Fort Max, I still want to. He just seems better overall, though TR Fort Max does kind of have his own thing going on. Different from Metroplex, but not as well done as G1. I still want to get a rifle for Cerebros, and a large gun for the robot and ship modes.

 

Really, the best way to describe Fort Max as being like a compromise between G1 Fort Max and Generations Metroplex. The base mode has grown on me as well.

 

But if you own Metroplex and want Trypticon? I'd probably say save for Trypticon, though that also depends on your feelings about Fort Max being Fort Max. I've wanted Fort Max for three decades, and I'm probably not getting him any time soon (and for what my wife paid for TR, she might have been able to get the reissue for not much more), so this is good by me.

 

Then again, part of that probably owes to the longtime fantasy of "being" Spike, being in command of this huge base and this huge starship and joining with this huge robot. Fortress Maximus was the realization of what Spike was supposed to be, that relatable connection between the viewer and the Transformers themselves.

 

So yeah, your mileage may vary.

 

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