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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#1 Gizmoboy

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:40 AM

My funds for Transformers is limited this year and with the reveal yesterday of Trypticon, he is on my short list.  My question is I have passed on Fort Max for a little while now but had planned on picking him up.  After reading some feedback from others about him being so close to Metroplex in feel and transformation, I am questioning if he is worth the expense knowing everything else coming out this year.
 
For those of you that own both (or even if you just own one of the other), what is your opinion on this.  Is it worth it for someone already owning Metroplex to drop what limited funds they may have to pick up Fortress Maximus?



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:43 AM

No. Headmaster aside, Metroplex does everything Max does but better. Moderately better city mode, much better vehicle mode, more little playfeatures in base mode, actual weaponry (well Takara's has the sword but still, Max needs guns) 


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:44 AM

He's nice, but short of Cerebros / Fortress you're not missing much if you have Metroplex.

 

I find the original Fortress Maximus to be better overall.  Minus Cerebros / Fortress as I mentioned.

 

The noises and sword on the Japanese one are especially nice.  I have all 3, and kind of like the various versions of Metroplex and Devastator, kind of feel that the other versions are not worth having once you have one.

 

But yeah, he's neat but I don't feel he's as good as the original or Metroplex.

 

Cerebros / Fortress is one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Titanmasters though.




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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:50 AM

If the choice is between him or Trypticon I'd definitely get Trypticon if you already have Metroplex.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:55 AM

If the choice is between him or Trypticon I'd definitely get Trypticon if you already have Metroplex.

 

Wholeheartedly this.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:58 AM

Fort Max is absolutely not worth it if you already have Metroplex unless you just really, really want Cerebros.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:05 AM

what if you dont have either metroplex OR fort max, but have g1 fort max?


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:07 AM

If you have G1 Fort Max, TR Max is completely unnecessary.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:09 AM

It still comes down to how much you want Cerebros/Spike. Which are admittedly really cool.

 

The G1 Fort Max body is still probably better - better fortress and space modes, stable points of articulation, actual firepower.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:23 AM

what if you dont have either metroplex OR fort max, but have g1 fort max?

 

 

 

If you have G1 Fort Max, TR Max is completely unnecessary.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:31 AM

I can't justify both Fortress Maximus AND Metroplex, but I have Metroplex and totally wish I had Maximus instead, since red and blue are totally cooler colours than white. So your mileage may vary.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:32 AM

I kinda touched on this over in the Trypticon thread.  I think part of what is making Titan Masters such a successful line for so many of us is the fact that Hasbro has given us something that we didn't even get with G1 Headmasters.

#1.  An entire line of Headmasters rather than just a subline

#2.  Play integration and swap-ability between all size classes.

#3.  Smaller transformable vehicles as well as base-modes for almost all larger than deluxe figures.

#4.  Titan Master features in the guns and larger figures specifically designed around the Titan Masters.

 

There was thought and almost a sense of frolic on the part of the designers with the Titan Master's line.  What you saw with the Fort Max remold of Metroplex is a completely safe and already done gimmick.  TR Fort Max doesn't have the 'Largest Transformer Ever' moniker that Metroplex was able to carry.  He wasn't the first of his kind as Metroplex was.  He also took a 30 year old gimmick and offered us nothing really new about it.  What's more....Hasbro couldn't even be bothered to provide proper ramps cover those stupid hands and we are literally talking about possibly $1 in plastic.  Fort Max was a lazy half-hearted attempt...even for a kids toy.

I still bought it, still spent way too much to have Cheets paint it up nice for me.  But at the end of the day I agree with others here.  There is no reason to own him if you have the original and that says a huge amount given how much we all love our updates to those iconic characters.  


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:51 AM

As I said I got to play with one that was returned to my store and he looks fantastic he is on my short to get list

And this from someone that has Titan Metroplex and 2 G1 Fort Maxes


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:56 AM

I like TR Fort Max probably more than it deserves but I would also agree with most everyone's assessment here. Both Gens Metroplex and G1 Fort Max do their jobs better than TR Max does. In fact I'd even say that Metroplex scales better with Titan Masters than it does the figures from its own line. It just doesn't have the little foot pegs. 


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

I can't believe it took that long for someone to call Fort Max lazy.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:17 PM

As I said I got to play with one that was returned to my store and he looks fantastic he is on my short to get list
And this from someone that has Titan Metroplex and 2 G1 Fort Maxes

you probably just plan on wielding him like a gun the same way you did with the G1 one :p
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:19 PM

If you really want a cartoon-style Cerebros and a decent giant body to stick him on, he's totally worth it. Cerebros is really fun. 

 

I wouldn't buy it for the really great base mode, though. Really Great Base Mode is not included. 


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:34 PM

Funnily enough I'm in the opposite boat. Metroplex came and went during a time where I really couldn't afford big ticket toys so I never got it. By the time that changed it was a $200+ item on the secondary market. No thanks. But then a $75 shipped Fort Max came into my life and I love it. In fairness the closest I ever got to the G1 was a Brave Max that I had to sell off like eight years ago so there was never any decision to make there.

 

So for me absent a reissue or something weird like a batch showing up at TJ Maxx all these years later I'll probably never own Titan Metroplex. And life goes on just fine. :p


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:53 PM

I do wish they'd included a sticker for the great damn big sticker indent on the "base" mode.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 12:56 PM

 

If the choice is between him or Trypticon I'd definitely get Trypticon if you already have Metroplex.

 

Wholeheartedly this.

 

This is my thinking too. I am saving my funds and space for Trypticon to go next to my Metroplex.

It's odd, that now space is becoming more of an issue than funds.


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