Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Squawkbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

Please don't post Youtube videos in the chat box. The forums software auto embeds them. 

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.


Photo
- - - - -

Moving on.


21 replies to this topic

#1 Spectre

Spectre
  • Retired Staff
  • 10453 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:41 PM

Didn't think I'd be posting here again for a long while, but I wrote a piece about why I'm moving on from toy collecting that got good feedback so I figured some of you might find something in it as well. 

 

https://medium.com/@...0710#.42odhalej

 

Peace. 


Edited by Spectre, 09 February 2017 - 02:41 PM.


#2 lastmaximal

lastmaximal

    Cyber Key Power...linx!

  • Citizen
  • 11905 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Philippines
  • Faction::Minicon

Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:53 PM

Good read. Getting a bit of those vibes myself, and so it's... nice to see it put into words this well.

Cheers, Spectre.


SO OKAY IT'S AVERAGE
Virtually every custom as good as the title suggests!
SoOkayItsAverage.2.gif


#3 Powered Convoy

Powered Convoy

    Skywarp Connoisseur

  • Retired Staff
  • 57661 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::RIRFIB

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:11 PM

Well said.


#4 Spark

Spark
  • Citizen
  • 34544 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:41 PM

Welp, you do anything for over 30 years and burn out will eventually set in.  It's why people change careers or move or get divorced or any number of things, so I understand this completely and say that it's for a better, happier you.  So go do that!  It's good!

 

Which really reminds me that I need to seriously pare down stuff in the future.


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

#5 LV!

LV!

    Ol' 55

  • Citizen
  • 10641 posts
  • Location:OH

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:44 PM

* Spark gets divorced



#6 Spark

Spark
  • Citizen
  • 34544 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:49 PM

*My nonexistent wife will be crushed.


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

#7 Destron D-69

Destron D-69

    Princess of Hugging

  • Supporter
  • 49951 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Canada
  • Faction::Decepticon

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:51 PM

All the Best in your next 30 year adventure Spectre 


You must have Signatures turned on

#8 LV!

LV!

    Ol' 55

  • Citizen
  • 10641 posts
  • Location:OH

Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:59 PM

Just remember that when you decide you're not into tattoos anymore, they're a lot harder to sell.



#9 Spectre

Spectre
  • Retired Staff
  • 10453 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:16 PM

Human skin holds its value quite well, actually. 



#10 Megaplex Prime

Megaplex Prime

    Manly things, like a tiger ripping apart a gazelle, or a lawyer.

  • Citizen
  • 4244 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC, where social progress is illegal!!
  • Faction::Free Agent

Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:19 PM

Unseriously:

 

I believe I had a very heart-felt confessional such as this at one point on the AllSpark, and even ended it with "Till all are one." Know what I got?

 

"Pfft, whatever dude; you'll be back. That's what they all say, but you'll be back."

 

 

So yeah; you'll be back. ;)

 

More serious:

 

This really spoke to me:

 

There is an undeniable satisfaction to completing a particular set of characters in a display — like watching a puzzle piece slot in exactly where it’s supposed to go. But then the moment is over…and you just have a bunch of things. It doesn’t feel like I’ve really achieved much of anything.

 

 

I remember the last entire collections of any line that I got, and the way I felt about it right afterward was exactly this. To date, I have all the Beast Machines Vehicons, Prime (show) Decepticons, Power Core Combiners, AoE Dinobots and Autobots, and a couple more "complete collections" I can't recall. But after every single "achievement;" after I got that last "puzzle piece" slid into that slot, I felt... nothing. Like I completely wasted my time. Like now I have to pack all this shit up, or that there's no room to store it all in one place. There's something to be said about completing collections; now that I have (some), I can definitely say, it was all about the chase, and nothing more, unfortunately.

 

How I've kind of circumvented this? It's to go only after the ones that I want, like you say. My wife's helped me tons with this. She has me ask myself:

 

"Is this something I want? And why? What are you willing to not do in place of the expense of this figure?"

 

If at any point the reason is something along the lines of an external locust of control, "because other people want it" or "because it's rare" (which is another way of saying it's because other people want it) or "I just felt like buying something" or "I'm getting it to make me feel better", then it's not something that I need to get, nor should I get it, and it's a purchase that's wasted a lot of my budget, time, and space in the past. This also applies to the "complete collection" dynamic; the last piece in a set isn't always the best figure, because I usually would have gotten all the good figures that I wanted.

 

All is to say: if I get the ones I want because like the character, mold, or color, it's OK. To complete a collection, or because of its availability, or as therapy, are all not OK. This has helped me SO much people, lemme tell ya.

 

As for this:

As the line has grown, it’s flirted more and more with strict accuracy to these cartoon depictions, to the point where they have fewer and fewer embellishments and real-world elements to their designs, looking instead like the physical manifestation of an animation cel.

 

 

Yeah, having been introduced into TFs during G1, but it becoming a THING for me didn't start till Beast Wars, so I pretty much could have cared less for most of the Masterpiece. And the couple that I have, I hated the cartooniness of each of'em, to the point where I refuse to get anymore.

 

But, as for line aesthetics, those change over time, and it might change to the point of: "you'll be back." ;)

 

And:

Three, this hobby is incredibly expensive, both in money and time. Especially the aforementioned Masterpiece line. Individual toys range from $80 to several hundred a piece. And I spend a lot of time and energy on forums and planning out purchases and designing my display. It’s an investment, and I find myself wishing I had more room in my budget for other things. I want to travel more. I want to get tattooed. I want to donate money to good causes. And I want more time for things like books, and games, and art. I want to be more active in my community and do more good. More experiences and stories, fewer things.

 

 

This factors into my wife's third question of what I'm willing to not do with her in place of the expense of figure x. One less coffee outing. One less dinner. One less movie. One less trip. Less time with her. The choice, is obvious....

 

(I go with the figure! :wtf)

 

But no, seriously, it helps me prioritize my life and expand what's important in it, and it's not just TFs.


Edited by Megaplex Prime, 09 February 2017 - 05:21 PM.

I'm drunk, leave me alone. :drunk

#11 Spectre

Spectre
  • Retired Staff
  • 10453 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:41 PM

I'm glad it resonated with you! Thanks for the thoughtful response. 

 

I certainly don't intend to cut myself off or anything, and this isn't really a goodbye. I'm still a fan of Transformers, but I'm just choosing to engage with the brand differently. For toys, i'm keeping a few choice pieces, but I'm just shifting away from having a big, dedicated collection display. 

 

Perhaps, someday, I'll be in a mindset where building a collection makes sense, definitely not discounting that as a possibility. But if I get there again, it'll be a choice made with intention, rather than something I've kept up with out of momentum.



#12 LV!

LV!

    Ol' 55

  • Citizen
  • 10641 posts
  • Location:OH

Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:32 PM

If at any point the reason is something along the lines of an external locust of control

 

sgc2c_ep007_01.jpg



#13 lastmaximal

lastmaximal

    Cyber Key Power...linx!

  • Citizen
  • 11905 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Philippines
  • Faction::Minicon

Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:55 PM

Actually an apt way of capturing how it feels sometimes, and why stepping away is healthy.


SO OKAY IT'S AVERAGE
Virtually every custom as good as the title suggests!
SoOkayItsAverage.2.gif


#14 Megaplex Prime

Megaplex Prime

    Manly things, like a tiger ripping apart a gazelle, or a lawyer.

  • Citizen
  • 4244 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC, where social progress is illegal!!
  • Faction::Free Agent

Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

I'm glad it resonated with you! Thanks for the thoughtful response. 

 

I certainly don't intend to cut myself off or anything, and this isn't really a goodbye. I'm still a fan of Transformers, but I'm just choosing to engage with the brand differently. For toys, i'm keeping a few choice pieces, but I'm just shifting away from having a big, dedicated collection display. 

 

Perhaps, someday, I'll be in a mindset where building a collection makes sense, definitely not discounting that as a possibility. But if I get there again, it'll be a choice made with intention, rather than something I've kept up with out of momentum.

 

Sure! Thank you for the thoughtful article. :thumbsup

 

At any rate, it just sounds like you made the switch to where I am now (to which I say: "congrats!" :p) and it's just moderating your hobby into what it should have always been in the first place: a hobby. Something fun. Something entertaining. If it becomes to feel like an obsession, or is carried out like an obligation at any point, it has ceased to be what it was intended to be all along, and it becomes a source of negativity in your life that needs to be cut out or curtailed back into a form where it's once again a positive aspect. There's enough negativity out there to go around; you don't need to fabricate and nurture one all on your own to carry around with you because Reasons, especially out of something that is supposed to bring you joy (they are toys after all, for cripes' sake).

 

Anyway good luck, and having been on the other side of this transition for a little bit, I can say this:

 

- I have traveled more

- I can and have donated (mostly time) to good causes

- I am more active in my community (I've joined local politics to eff off Trump! :D)

- I do have more money for art, furniture, books, (a wedding, a honeymoon, a HOUSE...)

- I don't have more tattoos, but....

- I have been engaged in so many other experiences, have stories that can only be told over beers or joints, and other assorted guilty pleasures not TF-related, but that are so much more rewarding.

 

And I'm trying to get rid of things, as I see the 50+ 40-gallon totes as hindrances, rather than achievements, and it's a liberating place to be.


Edited by Megaplex Prime, 10 February 2017 - 10:31 AM.

I'm drunk, leave me alone. :drunk

#15 Msol

Msol

    Grade killer.

  • Supporter
  • 3187 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Vancouver

Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:09 AM

Good luck with the new endeavors. It was great to meet you back at Botcon... 2014? Your postings will be missed here!

#16 Benbot

Benbot

    What a nerd

  • Supporter
  • 4117 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Never Past Bedtime Land

Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:46 AM

When you get into collecting, only one of two things can happen--you eventually lose interest and stop, or you die.  I often wonder why I collect these little plastic gems since I can't keep them indefinitely.  I can't give them up yet, but it makes me sad to know that someday I will, one way or another.


Edited by Benbot, 10 February 2017 - 11:46 AM.


#17 Diecast

Diecast

    Non-ferrous

  • Protoform
  • 18 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Decepticon

Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:46 AM

I personally find even just lurking in any fandom exhausting and often find myself only dipping my toe into one for a period of time. (Fan being short for fanatic makes a lot more sense after you spend time with someone far more diehard than yourself.)  I'm recently back into Transformers after a 7 year hiatus and I completely understand where you're coming from.  I love fiction about robots and having toy robots, but if you can't find an enjoyment out of owning something besides simply owning it, you need to reevaluate it.   I hadn't really bought any new figures for 2 years before I stopped.  It felt like the brand was heading in a direction not for me, just as you feel now.

For me, the toy line has only just recently shifted in my direction and that's why I'm back.  But I also have much better understanding of what I want out of it as a hobby now.  Maybe you'll be back some day, maybe you won't.  Just remember that it's not time wasted if you enjoyed it while it lasted.



#18 Mouse_Pad

Mouse_Pad

    It's a nice day for a...

  • Citizen
  • 8430 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Memphis, TN

Posted 10 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

I've been collecting as an adult for 21 years now and my interest has never really waned.  There have been periods where the product on the shelves didn't interest me much but those were temporary lulls which I kind of like because my wallet gets a break.  So at this point, I doubt I'll ever completely give it up as long as I'm physically and financially able to collect.

 

Now that I've stumbled into a little sub-hobby of adding silly captions to silly toy photos, my collection has sort of gained a new life.  I'm regularly picking up and playing with old toys that I haven't touched in months or years.  (Although perhaps my newfound addiction to Likes and RTs and Notes isn't entirely healthy.)


Twitter:  @ToyBoxComix

http://ToyBoxComix.tumblr.com


#19 Spark

Spark
  • Citizen
  • 34544 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 10 February 2017 - 01:20 PM

I personally find even just lurking in any fandom exhausting and often find myself only dipping my toe into one for a period of time. 

I do find that my enjoyment of what I have massively increases when I take a break from online shenanigans for a long while.  Granted, that's true of a lot of things.  That devil computer box.


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

#20 ▲ndrusi

▲ndrusi

    Praise be to Stakeout.

  • Supporter
  • 24277 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:YES TOWN
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 10 February 2017 - 02:53 PM

I've found that participation in online fandom typically causes my interest to either plummet or, very occasionally, skyrocket.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Sep 9 2012, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.



Reply to this topic



  


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users