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@  unitremover : (22 February 2017 - 09:36 PM)

I haven't been up there in a while but one of the Walmarts around here still has AOE deluxes out. Some of the CVSs do too.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 February 2017 - 09:34 PM)

It's been the same thing in local stores for ages up here.

@  BlackMax : (22 February 2017 - 09:33 PM)

One near me is the same - I swear they have over forty Deluxes there, all from many months ago.

@  Telly : (22 February 2017 - 07:43 PM)

my walmart finally filled those empty tr pegs. and of course its a mix of waves one and 2 (wave 1.5?)

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:11 PM)

Got Highbrow, Skullcrusher, Scourge, and Chromedome for $5 a piece

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:10 PM)

My Walmart had a Generations Rattrap hanging for the past 2 and a half years, and in trying to clearance it, inadvertently marked down the entire Generations Deluxe assortment.

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:09 PM)

A shelf warmer's ultimate revenge: being around long enough that in trying to clearance it...the store marks down the entire SKU!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:59 AM)

Eh, he would've gotten beaten up if the government sent just about anyone.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:56 AM)

Regardless, literally everything I've ever seen (and a lot on tfwiki) attributes Megatron's slide into violence to Whirl beating him up while in custody. Maybe not like flicking a switch but Megatron's line "You made me. You taught me words were weightless without force" kinda spells it out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:38 AM)

I'm not sure if there even was a specific turning point, but he didn't seem kill happy yet when he was with Terminus, and that was after Whirl beating him up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:24 AM)

It was also before any sort of uprising or him actually doing much of anything.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:20 AM)

I mean, the whole thing didn't start as "the great war". It was an uprising that eventually morphed into a the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:17 AM)

Yeah, of course it's before the war, Whirl beating Megatron while he was in custody was the tipping point that made Megatron turn violent.

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:08 AM)

again

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:04 AM)

Forgot this wasn't a search bar

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:03 AM)

hascon

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 05:12 AM)

But the thing with Whirl was before he started the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 03:28 AM)

Like so many awful things in that universe, it's basically Whirl's fault.

@  Telly : (22 February 2017 - 12:51 AM)

for about 10 minutes. then he got all kill happy

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 February 2017 - 10:27 PM)

Wouldn't IDW Megatron kind of count since his main reason for instigating the Great War was to overthrow the Functionist social order?

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:05 PM)

(I haven't read IDW at all please don't sue me)

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:04 PM)

Tyrest? He was chief justice, even :p

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2017 - 03:24 PM)

I kinda want an Autobot to have the function of "Social Justice Warrior".

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:20 PM)

Even we have limits.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 12:18 PM)

Good. But let's agree not to do one for Tecumseh.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Shitting Bull.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:54 AM)

or spending a lot of time taking a Squatto?

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:49 AM)

nice

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 11:42 AM)

Just hope it's clean or you'll be meeting Pukeahontas.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 10:39 AM)

Snackajawea - REAL Native American food prepackaged for your snacking pleasure!

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:03 AM)

Oh wait, figured it out. Doi...

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:02 AM)

I'm kinda disappointed how they messed up Legion Bisk's hands so that his front wheels can't roll.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 February 2017 - 12:45 AM)

One of the Walmarts near me has some pegs full of Wave 1 TR deluxes.

@  Paladin : (18 February 2017 - 09:39 PM)

https://twitter.com/autobase_aichi/status/833142409005391872 ....is that an MP DINOBOT teaser?!?!

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 09:35 PM)

Yeah, never seen a Titans Return Hot Rod

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Or Hot Rod. D=

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Wow, seriously? I don't think I've even seen him here. =(

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 07:50 PM)

Yeah Mindwipe shelfwarmed like crazy in Vancouver.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 February 2017 - 07:36 PM)

My Walmart still has a Rattrap floating around. My frustration is I've seen Hot Rod and Doublecross, but still haven't seen a Highbrow

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 07:02 PM)

I still haven't seen any Wave 3 Deluxes aside from the Triggerhappy I got off eBay.

@  Pennpenn : (18 February 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Fairly sure the Target near my work still has a CW Wheeljack hanging around the Wave 3 TR deluxes. Just wish we'd gotten Wave 2 deluxes...

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:53 PM)

CW deluxes from the later waves clogged the shelves real bad.

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:52 PM)

Correction: TR deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 06:47 PM)

Generations deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

Hm, interesting. Some of the pegs seem to have the correct names when they've been shelfwarming for a while. So like Mindwipe would be on a peg labelled MINDWIPE next to WOLFWIRE, etc.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

It would make less sense to track individual figures when they're ordered by the assortment anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Nope. walmart tends to scan the first UPC of the assortment, then use it for the entire assortment. Actually tracking data makes to much sense.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 02:37 PM)

So hey I bought Triggerhappy from Walmart a few days ago and just notice the receipt said TRIGGERHAPPY on it. Not the assortment name or whatever. Are they using this info to better track character sales or something?

@  unluckiness : (18 February 2017 - 07:13 AM)

I think there was a premonition panel in the Devil's Due TF vs JOEs

@  Bass X0 : (18 February 2017 - 05:28 AM)

When an app asks me to give a review or a rating, I decline, but I always look at other people's reviews before I get an app.


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:21 AM

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:23 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:41 AM

The HM subs remain ropey across all versions, but it's only Shout's awkward modifications that are a problem for MF and V; the core subs for those were a good job.

 

(I mean, y'know, if I do say so myself.)



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:44 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

 

Actual lines:

 

"It's all thanks to that donkey"

"Absolutely. The donkey showed incredible bravery taking on that Decepticon to save the boy."

"Remarkable, these people of Earth, their animals, and the environment!"

 

That kinda weird stuff. Admittedly it's been a couple of years, so maybe I'm combining the shows in my head.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:48 AM

There are a bunch of parts of Headmasters that sound wacky and awesome when you write about them that are a big string of Zs when you actually watch them, though.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:54 AM

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

From what I recall, the subtitle scripts weren't edited by Shout! Factory, but by Hasbro themselves (specifically, the Aaron Archer era version of Hasbro), so I lay the blame upon Hasbro rather than Shout! for the arbitrary changes made to the subs.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there.

For The Headmasters, it was mainly the pre-episode recaps and the post-episode/pre-end credits next-episode previews. But, for episodes 1 and 25, there was additional episode material that played before the title card where the recaps would normally go, and because these scenes played before the title card, they were missing from those two episodes as well.

 

However, this is consistent across the UK, Australian, and U.S. DVDs of The Headmasters, since Toei gave incomplete masters to all three companies.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:04 AM

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:25 AM

Deployers is one that irks me.  Because it comes off as specifically Aligned bible like, and I don't like it.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:26 AM

The Wiki's page for The Headmasters includes this little claim about some of the early episodes of the series:

 

According to the booklet included with the Pioneer DVD release of the series, the earliest episodes of the series were based on aborted scripts written for the unmade fourth season of the American cartoon


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:29 AM

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:05 PM

... and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:36 PM

 

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?

 

Yes.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:54 PM

 

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.

 

 

Yep, that's it, I loved that part.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:25 PM

This reminds me of the liner notes to that "Coming Out Of Their Shells" live TMNT band show thing, in which any word with "-don-" in it ended up replaced by "Donatello", such as:

 

"Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's undone" being rendered as "Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's unDonatello"

 

"The word 'gourmet' just don't exist" being rendered as "the word 'gourmet' just Donatello's exist"

 

i think i need this explained to me more. WHY would this be done? whats wrong with "don"?


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:27 PM

I have no idea. I also would have thought it predated widespread find-and-replace word processing.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:03 PM

I assume someone just balked at not using the trademarked term.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:13 PM

 

 

Must....suppress...raucous....laughter...

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways. It never bothered me because I can hear the names being said and I already know what they're supposed to be. If you're the kinda person who gets irked by characters saying "Rodimus Convoy" but the subs say "Rodimus Prime," and so on, then it will be bothersome to you. Otherwise it's fine

 

 

I think I'll manage. Pretty sure I've dealt in other stuff like that.

 

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.

 

$30 a pop on Amazon.ca, unfortunately. Might just buy them off Amazon.com instead of .ca, since they're like $16 each there.

 

As for that missing part, at least I've got the wiki for that. I don't mind reading up some supplemental, but for an entire series, I'd rather watch as much as I can.

 

 

 

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".

 

 

So, like pretty much every anime I've ever seen dubbed, then, only it's subbed instead.

 

Sucks on the story thing, but I don't mind the terminology so much. Even though I know "Cybertrons," "Destrons," and even "Ninja Staff Officer," it's probably easier to keep track of in the longer run for terms and names unfamiliar to me.

 

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

 

From the bits I've seen, that's one of the most appealing parts to me.

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:30 PM

I don't think I got past episode four of Victory, and I'm not sure if it's due to quality or because it didn't feature characters I was familiar with. About 95% of characters in Headmasters and Masterforce existed in America or were repainted/remolded from someone that existed in America.





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