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@  Pennpenn : (29 April 2017 - 08:35 PM)

There are probably plenty of people who wouldn't know them from Adam. Me, for example.

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 08:18 PM)

not from me. id just put him on ignore

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 April 2017 - 08:16 PM)

I thought of something else about TFW2005 versus the Allspark. If Ignash was allowed back here, wouldn't that initiate lots of frustration and/or abandonment by people here?

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 08:09 PM)

with FRIGGIN laser beams on their FRIGGIN heads!

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 04:32 PM)

the do this to sharks. Friggin' sharks!

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 04:31 PM)

they don't kill. they eat half of your face, and you're left with a hideous tumor where the barnacle is.

@  Locoman : (29 April 2017 - 03:49 PM)

Perhaps the barnacle, consumed with guilt at what he'd done, took his own life after killing everyone

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 02:28 PM)

parasitic barnacles are the stuff of nightmares

@  MEDdMI : (29 April 2017 - 01:39 PM)

But barnacles don't have- *checks* "The main sense of barnacles appears to be touch, with the hairs on the limbs being especially sensitive. The adult also has a single eye, although this is probably only capable of sensing the difference between light and dark.[4]†This eye is derived from the primary†naupliar eye." Huh.

@  ▲ndrusi : (29 April 2017 - 01:29 PM)

He looked in a mirror

@  Evac : (29 April 2017 - 01:26 PM)

He was killed by his own ugliness. Kind of a "Hoist by His Own Petard" thing.

@  MEDdMI : (29 April 2017 - 01:12 PM)

How did the barnacle get killed if everyone died from his ugliness?

@  Whirl Maximus : (29 April 2017 - 11:09 AM)

I've been watching clips of the Japanese dub of the Sunbow movie. Comes with added SCREAMS!

@  Bass X0 : (29 April 2017 - 09:57 AM)

But the ugly barnacle realised he would grow up to become a beautiful oyster. Only he was killed before then for being so ugly.

@  Locoman : (29 April 2017 - 09:46 AM)

That didn't help at all!

@  Evac : (29 April 2017 - 09:32 AM)

Once there was an ugly barnacle. He was so ugly, that everyone died! The end.

@  Bass X0 : (29 April 2017 - 09:16 AM)

But Disney kept making movie sequels, because Disney.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 April 2017 - 09:06 AM)

And then a zombie ate him. The End!

@  Nutjob R/T : (29 April 2017 - 08:48 AM)

And then Scrooge put Tiny Dull Mind on his shoulder. "God bless us every one!" shouted Tiny Dull Brain.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 April 2017 - 06:05 AM)

Sanity is the crutch of a dull mind.

@  BlackMax : (29 April 2017 - 06:04 AM)

The former is needful. The latter is a situationally necessary demeanor.

@  BlackMax : (29 April 2017 - 06:03 AM)

I think people are confusing sanity with normalcy.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

So we can fix them.

@  Bass X0 : (29 April 2017 - 02:32 AM)

why would any sane person come here anyway? 

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 02:27 AM)

im not sane. my mother had me tested

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 April 2017 - 02:12 AM)

We're not weird. You're just too sane.

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 02:11 AM)

*reads through shoutbox* theres some weird people on this board  :thumbsup

@  Pennpenn : (29 April 2017 - 12:45 AM)

I guess it'd be something like "lit-cad-or-et" presuming the p is still silent.

@  Bass X0 : (29 April 2017 - 12:44 AM)

Your grandma loves you!

@  RichardT1977 : (28 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

@BlackMax Thank you, Dimitri Martin.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 07:55 PM)

Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'... Into the future~♪

@  BlackMax : (28 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

God spelled backwards is dog. Cat spelled backwards is tac. Pterodactyl spelled backwards is really hard to pronounce.

@  Waspinator : (28 April 2017 - 06:46 PM)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

@  LordGigaIce : (28 April 2017 - 06:12 PM)

you too, eh?

@  Locoman : (28 April 2017 - 05:40 PM)

Well, I don't know about you, but personally I clawed my way free from the corpse of a goat during the autumn equinox.

@  LordGigaIce : (28 April 2017 - 05:37 PM)

Yep. Also diseases are painful. And trucks are weird!

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 04:41 PM)

we're all someone's daughters... we're all someone's sons...

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 03:22 PM)

Your creative writing professor is a god, then.

@  Diecast : (28 April 2017 - 03:17 PM)

My creative writing professor read that to my class once, all those years ago.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

Sorry, whenever anyone brings up anything related to badfic, I immediately think of Repercussions of Evil.

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:29 PM)

"No! I must kill the trolls" he shouted. The radio said "No, John. You are the trolls" And then John was a shitposter.

@  Locoman : (28 April 2017 - 02:25 PM)

you lived like a spammer ans died to an moderator

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

He lived a spammer, and died a moderator.

@  WorkbenchManiac : (28 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill posts along with the good and let me be judged accordingly."

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 April 2017 - 01:49 PM)

Fool! Snark is my friend! Allow me to introduce you to it!

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:49 AM)

And I... Have my sarcasm.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 April 2017 - 11:47 AM)

Search history has changed! Spam forums triumph! And you....you no longer post relevant content!

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:46 AM)

Mayhem hazzzz planzzzz.

@  Nutjob R/T : (28 April 2017 - 11:36 AM)

Subforums don't die. They wait. And plan.

@  Benbot : (28 April 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Are there any plans to delete or move dead subforums?


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#21 Fear or Courage

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:21 AM

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:23 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:41 AM

The HM subs remain ropey across all versions, but it's only Shout's awkward modifications that are a problem for MF and V; the core subs for those were a good job.

 

(I mean, y'know, if I do say so myself.)



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:44 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

 

Actual lines:

 

"It's all thanks to that donkey"

"Absolutely. The donkey showed incredible bravery taking on that Decepticon to save the boy."

"Remarkable, these people of Earth, their animals, and the environment!"

 

That kinda weird stuff. Admittedly it's been a couple of years, so maybe I'm combining the shows in my head.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:48 AM

There are a bunch of parts of Headmasters that sound wacky and awesome when you write about them that are a big string of Zs when you actually watch them, though.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:54 AM

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

From what I recall, the subtitle scripts weren't edited by Shout! Factory, but by Hasbro themselves (specifically, the Aaron Archer era version of Hasbro), so I lay the blame upon Hasbro rather than Shout! for the arbitrary changes made to the subs.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there.

For The Headmasters, it was mainly the pre-episode recaps and the post-episode/pre-end credits next-episode previews. But, for episodes 1 and 25, there was additional episode material that played before the title card where the recaps would normally go, and because these scenes played before the title card, they were missing from those two episodes as well.

 

However, this is consistent across the UK, Australian, and U.S. DVDs of The Headmasters, since Toei gave incomplete masters to all three companies.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:04 AM

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:25 AM

Deployers is one that irks me.  Because it comes off as specifically Aligned bible like, and I don't like it.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:26 AM

The Wiki's page for The Headmasters includes this little claim about some of the early episodes of the series:

 

According to the booklet included with the Pioneer DVD release of the series, the earliest episodes of the series were based on aborted scripts written for the unmade fourth season of the American cartoon


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:29 AM

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:05 PM

... and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:36 PM

 

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?

 

Yes.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:54 PM

 

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.

 

 

Yep, that's it, I loved that part.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:25 PM

This reminds me of the liner notes to that "Coming Out Of Their Shells" live TMNT band show thing, in which any word with "-don-" in it ended up replaced by "Donatello", such as:

 

"Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's undone" being rendered as "Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's unDonatello"

 

"The word 'gourmet' just don't exist" being rendered as "the word 'gourmet' just Donatello's exist"

 

i think i need this explained to me more. WHY would this be done? whats wrong with "don"?


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#37 LV!

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:27 PM

I have no idea. I also would have thought it predated widespread find-and-replace word processing.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:03 PM

I assume someone just balked at not using the trademarked term.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:13 PM

 

 

Must....suppress...raucous....laughter...

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways. It never bothered me because I can hear the names being said and I already know what they're supposed to be. If you're the kinda person who gets irked by characters saying "Rodimus Convoy" but the subs say "Rodimus Prime," and so on, then it will be bothersome to you. Otherwise it's fine

 

 

I think I'll manage. Pretty sure I've dealt in other stuff like that.

 

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.

 

$30 a pop on Amazon.ca, unfortunately. Might just buy them off Amazon.com instead of .ca, since they're like $16 each there.

 

As for that missing part, at least I've got the wiki for that. I don't mind reading up some supplemental, but for an entire series, I'd rather watch as much as I can.

 

 

 

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".

 

 

So, like pretty much every anime I've ever seen dubbed, then, only it's subbed instead.

 

Sucks on the story thing, but I don't mind the terminology so much. Even though I know "Cybertrons," "Destrons," and even "Ninja Staff Officer," it's probably easier to keep track of in the longer run for terms and names unfamiliar to me.

 

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

 

From the bits I've seen, that's one of the most appealing parts to me.

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:30 PM

I don't think I got past episode four of Victory, and I'm not sure if it's due to quality or because it didn't feature characters I was familiar with. About 95% of characters in Headmasters and Masterforce existed in America or were repainted/remolded from someone that existed in America.





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