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@  Nevermore : (18 December 2017 - 02:43 PM)

Blaming capitalism will soon be a felony.

@  Cyoti : (18 December 2017 - 02:01 PM)

I just blame Bain Capital.

@  Shrug : (18 December 2017 - 01:28 PM)

The most immediately annoying aspect of TRU's financial situation is that every single time a grown man experiences a minor inconvenience that he would experience at any retailer in the country, he makes a post online about how obvious it would be to completely pay off their debt by stocking a single toyline slightly differently.

@  Bass X0 : (18 December 2017 - 12:58 PM)

Overhearing a conversation... what do you have to do in life to earn the nickname "Pineapple"?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 December 2017 - 10:11 AM)

"Have you tried lighting the darkest hour, sir?"

@  unluckiness : (18 December 2017 - 08:07 AM)

"The toy's been trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me."

@  wonko the sane? : (18 December 2017 - 06:05 AM)

"The missile failed... I'll have to finish this personally..."

@  MEDdMI : (17 December 2017 - 10:44 PM)

Next thing you know, you'll wake up with Unicron looming over you, holding a knife.

@  Paladin : (17 December 2017 - 07:51 PM)

i remember the missile gears malfuctioned a lot. damn thing once shot me in the middle of the night.

@  Fenix Twilight : (17 December 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Just transformed Unicron probably for the first time since I got him in 03, fun stuff. Still would like a new version but since they just did another release last year I guess we're stuck with that mold.

@  Shrug : (17 December 2017 - 06:16 PM)

Yeah, I think that might work on the red one, if I can find a neon enough yellow

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 December 2017 - 06:10 PM)

How about neon yellow/green? Like on Krok?

@  Shrug : (17 December 2017 - 05:45 PM)

I'm dealing with a black/grey robot and a red/black robot.

@  Shrug : (17 December 2017 - 05:44 PM)

I'm thinking of making some figures "G2" with minor paint additions: a little panel lining, probably. What colors in small amounts make you think G2?

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 05:41 PM)

Don't worry, it was grammatically correct, it just wasn't "fluent". :)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 December 2017 - 03:29 PM)

Scheiße.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 December 2017 - 03:22 PM)

Damn. I initially thought of writing "Herzliche Glückwünsche", but I thought that didn't fit because we don't know each other in real life. But I forgot to check for quantity after dropping "Herzliche".

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 December 2017 - 03:14 PM)

It'll be nice when they finally perfect universal translation algorithms

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 02:43 PM)

In German, you only pluralize "Glückwunsch" when it's several people congratulating someone. As in, "I received everyone's congratulations."

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 02:42 PM)

That's actually a hypercorrect literal translation that immediately reveals you as a non-native speaker.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 December 2017 - 01:04 PM)

Glückwünsche!

@  ILoveDinobot : (17 December 2017 - 12:34 PM)

Grats Nevermore.

@  Shrug : (17 December 2017 - 12:13 PM)

That's awesome, congrats!

@  WorkbenchManiac : (17 December 2017 - 11:14 AM)

Congratulations!

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 11:11 AM)

And top top it all off, my employer will offer a one-off bonus for moving to permanent late shift, and another annual bonus if I stay on permanent late shift for an entire year.

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 11:10 AM)

That's basically my personal dream shift.

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 11:09 AM)

No more getting up early. Also, every work week will be from Monday to Friday, with the weekends off.

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 11:09 AM)

Next year I will have the option for permanent late shift.

@  Nevermore : (17 December 2017 - 11:09 AM)

Soon I'll be free!

@  RichardT1977 : (17 December 2017 - 07:59 AM)

Did I miss something, or did the whole movie pass without

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@  TM2-Megatron : (17 December 2017 - 02:18 AM)

TBH, the use of the word "boudoir" seemed a bit more out of place to me than the humour... has a non-English Terran language ever been established as existing in Star Wars before?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 December 2017 - 01:28 AM)

It's not like it's a big deal anyway. I mean, anything with Aurebesh in it is demonstrably non-canon, because there's no X in Aurebesh so X-Wings wouldn't be called X-Wings, right?

@  unitremover : (16 December 2017 - 11:48 PM)

That said, I do think it is really weird that

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@  unitremover : (16 December 2017 - 11:47 PM)

Yeah, TLJ felt a lot more mindful about when it broke out the quips/jokes than I think the Marvel movie comparison implies

@  2017 : (16 December 2017 - 09:35 PM)

I'm fine with the humour because the rest of the universe feels legit, and it's not ten quips a minute like those bloody Marvel movies.

@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 09:22 PM)

It's mostly

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@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 09:21 PM)

Do spoiler tags work here?

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@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:13 PM)

Less than 3 hours to go, now

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:11 PM)

Also, it can't be worse than those awful "sarcastic" jokes in the beginning of AotC that were meant to establish a camaraderie between Anakin and Obi-Wan where it was clear that none existed.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 08:09 PM)

Doesn't sound like something I'll be bothered by; movies have to change at least a little bit with the times

@  Waspinator : (16 December 2017 - 07:59 PM)

Yeah, there was some sarcastic humor that wasn't really present in the classic movies

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 December 2017 - 02:00 PM)

I didn't have a problem with it. But it DOES skew a bit more "modern" in ways the humor of prior films didn't, short maybe Rogue One

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 01:20 PM)

I'm staying spoiler-free until I see it tonight, but a number of people seem really angry at the humour in the film

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2017 - 01:19 PM)

I've already noticed some backlash against it over on blu-ray.com, but a lot of it seems to stem from anger about the Disney/Fox deal

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 December 2017 - 11:23 AM)

Because internet.

@  Bass X0 : (16 December 2017 - 11:20 AM)

Why are people getting so upset with other people's opinions of a family space movie?

@  wonko the sane? : (16 December 2017 - 10:43 AM)

I have lost my entire morning to a god damn nose bleed...

@  RichardT1977 : (16 December 2017 - 10:21 AM)

Turn around, bright eyes...

@  Pennpenn : (16 December 2017 - 01:18 AM)

Bismillah!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 December 2017 - 12:30 AM)

DOOT DOO DEDOODOO


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#21 Fear or Courage

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:21 AM

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:23 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:41 AM

The HM subs remain ropey across all versions, but it's only Shout's awkward modifications that are a problem for MF and V; the core subs for those were a good job.

 

(I mean, y'know, if I do say so myself.)



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:44 AM

I take issue with the asserton that Headmasters has any "manic energy". Or indeed any energy at all, from what I've managed to force myself through.

 

Actual lines:

 

"It's all thanks to that donkey"

"Absolutely. The donkey showed incredible bravery taking on that Decepticon to save the boy."

"Remarkable, these people of Earth, their animals, and the environment!"

 

That kinda weird stuff. Admittedly it's been a couple of years, so maybe I'm combining the shows in my head.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:48 AM

There are a bunch of parts of Headmasters that sound wacky and awesome when you write about them that are a big string of Zs when you actually watch them, though.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:54 AM

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

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To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

From what I recall, the subtitle scripts weren't edited by Shout! Factory, but by Hasbro themselves (specifically, the Aaron Archer era version of Hasbro), so I lay the blame upon Hasbro rather than Shout! for the arbitrary changes made to the subs.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there.

For The Headmasters, it was mainly the pre-episode recaps and the post-episode/pre-end credits next-episode previews. But, for episodes 1 and 25, there was additional episode material that played before the title card where the recaps would normally go, and because these scenes played before the title card, they were missing from those two episodes as well.

 

However, this is consistent across the UK, Australian, and U.S. DVDs of The Headmasters, since Toei gave incomplete masters to all three companies.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:04 AM

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:25 AM

Deployers is one that irks me.  Because it comes off as specifically Aligned bible like, and I don't like it.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:26 AM

The Wiki's page for The Headmasters includes this little claim about some of the early episodes of the series:

 

According to the booklet included with the Pioneer DVD release of the series, the earliest episodes of the series were based on aborted scripts written for the unmade fourth season of the American cartoon


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:29 AM

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:05 PM

... and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:36 PM

 

 

Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer",

 

 

I should know this already, but is this the same rank that the dubs consistently translate as "Ninja Consultant"?

 

Yes.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:54 PM

 

 

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"

 

 

Yeah, I think it's specifically when Cancer hurts Minerva or something, and she is bleeding.  Shuta exclaims Bomburst rather than the blood coming out of Minerva.

 

 

Yep, that's it, I loved that part.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:25 PM

This reminds me of the liner notes to that "Coming Out Of Their Shells" live TMNT band show thing, in which any word with "-don-" in it ended up replaced by "Donatello", such as:

 

"Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's undone" being rendered as "Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's unDonatello"

 

"The word 'gourmet' just don't exist" being rendered as "the word 'gourmet' just Donatello's exist"

 

i think i need this explained to me more. WHY would this be done? whats wrong with "don"?


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:27 PM

I have no idea. I also would have thought it predated widespread find-and-replace word processing.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:03 PM

I assume someone just balked at not using the trademarked term.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:13 PM

 

 

Must....suppress...raucous....laughter...

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways. It never bothered me because I can hear the names being said and I already know what they're supposed to be. If you're the kinda person who gets irked by characters saying "Rodimus Convoy" but the subs say "Rodimus Prime," and so on, then it will be bothersome to you. Otherwise it's fine

 

 

I think I'll manage. Pretty sure I've dealt in other stuff like that.

 

They're worth watching once, especially since each set is like, less than 20 dollars. Each one is a trip in its own way, a combination of actual coolness and "what the hell is going on" randomness. I'd definitely call them better than Energon, and probably the Unicron Trilogy as a whole, just due to the manic energy of them all, compared to the UT's stiff sterility.

 

Honestly, the low quality and dodgy, inconsistent subtitles didn't really bug me, because I figured, at that price for 40-ish episodes a set, you get what you pay for.

 

A word of warning, though, there's some content missing here and there. The only major thing is a clipshow from Masterforce that happens after the series, that served the purpose of explaining some unresolved backstory threads.

 

$30 a pop on Amazon.ca, unfortunately. Might just buy them off Amazon.com instead of .ca, since they're like $16 each there.

 

As for that missing part, at least I've got the wiki for that. I don't mind reading up some supplemental, but for an entire series, I'd rather watch as much as I can.

 

 

 

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways.

Not just names, but several lines of dialogue were just rewritten for the sake of it, making them say things that completely differed from what was being spoken onscreen. For instance, the title of Episode 1, "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky", was instead changed in the subs to be just "Warriors from Space". And in a later instance, there's an episode where Cyclonus and Scourge grumble about having to take orders from Scorponok during Galvatron's absence, and while the dialogue has Soundblaster basically tell the two to just buck up and deal with it, the subs instead have him claim that Galvatron ordered Soundblaster to tell the two to follow Scorponok, which is not only wrong but makes Soundblaster sound like he made up fake orders from Galvatron to suit his own purposes, which goes against his character since that's something he'd never do.

 

Plus, a lot of terminology from Western TF media that never existed back in the 1980s (predominately terms from the then-new Aligned media and the IDW comics) were inserted into the subtitle scripts as well. Namely, practically every instance of a character expressing frustration through exclamations and expletives was subbed as "scrap", references to the Allspark were added, Chōkon Power became "Energon Power", Sixshot's rank as the Destron Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer was subbed as "Phase Six Decepticon officer", all of the cassettes were called "Deployers" (this was back when the Exodus novel described Soundwave's minions as Deployers, rather than the current RID toyline using that term to refer to the bigger partner who uses said minions), and the Breastforce was given the infamously completely-made-up renaming of "Chestforce".

 

 

So, like pretty much every anime I've ever seen dubbed, then, only it's subbed instead.

 

Sucks on the story thing, but I don't mind the terminology so much. Even though I know "Cybertrons," "Destrons," and even "Ninja Staff Officer," it's probably easier to keep track of in the longer run for terms and names unfamiliar to me.

 

The Headmasters is honestly like they were trying to mimick the 'feel' of the American series but just failed miserably.

 

From the bits I've seen, that's one of the most appealing parts to me.

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:30 PM

I don't think I got past episode four of Victory, and I'm not sure if it's due to quality or because it didn't feature characters I was familiar with. About 95% of characters in Headmasters and Masterforce existed in America or were repainted/remolded from someone that existed in America.





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