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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#1 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:44 PM

So I know that these have been around for a little while now. I had been hoping that I'd be able to get the complete set with Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory along with that cool Fortress Maximus litho ('cuz I loves me some Fort Max, don'cha know).

 

Yeah, I think it's realistic to say that ain't happening now.

 

That said, there's still a complete set sans litho, and there are the individual sets. Out of curiosity, aside from maybe the case to contain all three series, is there any difference between the contents of the individual series and the collection? Because I don't want to miss anything, and if not, I might just look at getting them piecemeal one series at a time instead of trying to save up for the whole kit 'n kaboodle.

 

(And before anyone brings it up, I know the reputation of the series. I got through Energon, so I think I'll survive, and I'm just interested in seeing it all play out anyway.)

 

All that said, any indication they might bring over Beast Wars II and Neo?

 

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:13 PM

That said, there's still a complete set sans litho, and there are the individual sets. Out of curiosity, aside from maybe the case to contain all three series, is there any difference between the contents of the individual series and the collection? Because I don't want to miss anything, and if not, I might just look at getting them piecemeal one series at a time instead of trying to save up for the whole kit 'n kaboodle.

 

(And before anyone brings it up, I know the reputation of the series. I got through Energon, so I think I'll survive, and I'm just interested in seeing it all play out anyway.)

 

All that said, any indication they might bring over Beast Wars II and Neo?

As far as I know, the complete set is just the three individual sets bundled together, with no content differences between the individual sets and the complete set.

 

As for BWII and Neo, not likely. It would seem that the main reason the Shout! Factory releases of The Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory were able to be done was because the Metrodome and Madman releases in the UK and Australia had already been done beforehand, with there having been a preexisting set of official subtitle scripts for all three series that Hasbro and Shout! could use and butcher tweak for their U.S. release.

 

BWII and Neo, however, had never been completely subbed in English beforehand (what with neither series having come to DVD in Japan at all until 2011 and 2012), with BWII's first complete fansubbed release having not come about until just last year, and that was an unofficial release.

 

For there to be an official English subtitled DVD release of BWII and Neo, Hasbro and/or Shout! Factory would have to create their own new subtitle scripts from scratch. And there's also the notion that the current Hasbro team seems to be ignoring the Beast Era as of late, so the interest in subbing and releasing these two series doesn't seem very high.


Edited by Sabrblade, 08 February 2017 - 11:30 AM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

Also, the most recent subtitled Super Sentai release by Shout supposedly copied a fansub available on the internet after the one before it got some pretty negative feedback for inconsistent quality.

I don't think Shout is really interested in spending money on fresh translations.

#4 Chris McFeely

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:27 PM

That's a laugh, 'cause it's exactly what happened with the Metrodome DVDs. Headmasters was a bit ropey, so they employed the TV Nihon subs for MF and V. All above board in their case, though!


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:35 PM

Yeah it looks to me like each individual series is going for less than 20 bucks on Amazon. I'd just get 'em peacemeal. 

 

If you love some Fort Max you oughtta love some Headmasters. I think it's an awesome series and I won't hear anything otherwise!


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:47 PM

Headmasters is pretty great, honestly.

Nothing else in the entire franchise comes close to this level of brilliance. And no, I am not taking a potshot at the series. The dub is a genuine masterpiece of hilarity.


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 10:49 PM

Headmasters is pretty great, honestly.

 

Alas, that dub isn't on the Shout! Factory DVD set.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:00 PM

They didn't want anyone to accidentally enjoy it.



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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:15 PM

i only watched it once, back when it was released. i dont remember hating it. may have to watch it again sometime. hate watching subtitled anime though


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:25 PM

hate watching subtitled anime though

 

Word of advice to help making that easier to do: Watch on a smaller screen. That lets you see everything easier. :thumbsup


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:40 PM

Or just sit slightly further from the TV.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:45 PM

I have the individual sets of HM, MF and V. I've watched them each once. Well worth the watch of you don't mind following a long with subtitles. But I noticed a lot of them you can simply watch them and figure out what's happening without really needing much of the subtitles to help.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:14 AM

I like the series well enough.  Masterforce is the best, then Victory then Headmasters.

 

I find the 4 Headmaster characters not as interesting as some of the other leads (or even characters on the show).  But I'm currently watching this one.

 

One thing that annoys me is some of the changes to the names that don't generally make sense.  Or some errors in the subtitles, whether it be grammatical, misinterpretting two people talking as one person talking, or doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.




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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:24 AM

doing a find and replace of all the times "blood" is mentioned and having "Bomburst" actually replace a reference to a human's blood.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY?? I think the worst the Metrodome subs got in that territory was when the Decepticons plotted to "mindwipe them all out!"


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:11 AM

I'm a big fan of Masterforce.  I really dig how they handled Powermasters.  It helps that it has some of my favorite late G1 designs as characters that only got Western fiction in the comic book (which is coincidentally the era of the comics that I love.)

 

I've really been meaning to watch through Headmasters.  I think the sudden switch to animeness with some of the Season 3 crew is what throws me.  Maybe I just need to skip like the first 3 episodes.

 

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When Shout translated Dairanger, they translated nearly all instances of onii-chan based on the context of the scene.  They were inconsistent episode-to-episode and scene-to-scene with the series after that though, leaning heavily on not switching it to brother/sister or a name.  In at least one episode they started switching spoken names to onii-chan.

 

Doesn't top finding and replacing "blood" though.  That's amazing.  

I love Shout for releasing stuff no other company has interest in releasing, but man, I wish they'd put a like a minimum 20% more effort into stuff.  If not spending time/money proofreading subtitles is what makes it profitable, then keep on keeping on I guess.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:40 AM

This reminds me of the liner notes to that "Coming Out Of Their Shells" live TMNT band show thing, in which any word with "-don-" in it ended up replaced by "Donatello", such as:

 

"Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's undone" being rendered as "Ain't gonna stop until the Foot's unDonatello"

 

"The word 'gourmet' just don't exist" being rendered as "the word 'gourmet' just Donatello's exist"



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:48 AM

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:53 AM

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#19 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:07 AM

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:19 AM

 

Must....suppress...raucous....laughter...

 

So the subs on these aren't very good, eh? I'll definitely look for a bargain in trying to get them bit by bit, then.

 

Thanks for the help, all!

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

 

To be clear, they're only bad in that quite a lot of characters' names are changed in sorta arbitrary ways. It never bothered me because I can hear the names being said and I already know what they're supposed to be. If you're the kinda person who gets irked by characters saying "Rodimus Convoy" but the subs say "Rodimus Prime," and so on, then it will be bothersome to you. Otherwise it's fine


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