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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?


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#41 Internet Jesus

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 06:10 PM

It's because I've been reading from the start and it's frustrating that people like Rich Johnston didn't read the whole thing and reported things for Clickbait.

 

Man, I just like good stories and things getting twisted around like this is just frustrating. They explain everything like I showed in my imgur folder.

 

You know what else from Marvel is good right now?

Ultimates 2.

 

That's the stuff. Good ol' Cosmic Marvel always cheers me up.


But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM

I don't care really enough to dig deep into the books. If I did I'd probably be reading them.

The Hydraverse being real is an awful idea, sure, but whether it's the case or not its kinda irrelivant to me on some level. Really the whole tone and concept behind the story is just antithetical to what I want out of my superhero comics. I just dislike the whole concept of a year plus of Cap as a secret terrible fascist villain who manipulates everyone, betrays them and takes over the US. Just yuck. Especially given current world events. The "let's pretend they're not Nazi's in every way that matters" stuff, the confluence of unfortunate to outright offensive themes, and Spencer's ridiculous online hoopla only reinforce that already strong distaste.

I'm very happy all the Marvel Comics I love right now: Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, Wasp, Silver Surfer and Monsters Unleashed are staying the heck away from the whole thing. There are a few books I had an interest in that I'm now actively not buying until this thing is over and past.


-ZacWilliam, on a positive Marvel note, 1) yes I've heard Ultimate continues to be really good. and 2) the Monsters Unleashed event didn't do much for me but the first issue of the ongoing was wonderful and pretty much exactly what I do want from a Marvel comic.

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 10:36 PM

Good ol' Cosmic Marvel always cheers me up.

 

Eeeeyup.

Bendis is off the Guardians, Gamora and Thanos are still excellent. Nova is circling the drain, which is really unfortunate, but I'll take three out of four things to be happy about in Marvel comics. Especially right now.



#44 Internet Jesus

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 10:55 PM

Al Ewing is at his best right now on Ultimates. He's the continuity wizard that Slott used to be.

Dude just explained in the new Ultimates issue that the Celestial that showed up at the beginning of Civil War II was a Dark Celestial in his current who-chained-Eternity storyline. And basically gave us the origin of the Celestials, to boot.

He also sprinkled in some Malibu Ego Gem stuff as well as tying in some New Universe stuff. Ultimates is far and away my favorite Marvel book right now and I hope they leave Ewing's titles alone.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 27 April 2017 - 11:01 PM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:05 PM

And look at the cast. Captain Marvel is the only white person on the team. America Chavez is 5000% more charming in this book than her own title. Everyone is written masterfully. COSMIC MARVEL. And Galactus is a supporting character.

Ultimates is written well, the art is on point, and it's mostly free from Event bullshit. And even if it gets dragged into them, Ewing does it seamlessly.
And look at the cast. Captain Marvel is the only white person on the team. America Chavez is 5000% more charming in this book than her own title. Everyone is written masterfully. COSMIC MARVEL. And Galactus is a supporting character.

Ultimates is written well, the art is on point, and it's mostly free from Event bullshit. And even if it gets dragged into them, Ewing does it seamlessly.

This is what I want out of Marvel.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:37 AM

I read the first Ewing Ultimates series and enjoyed the first half, but Civil War II ruined it for me. When I picked up a new issue to find out the team had broken up in another comic, I gave up - Ewing has a history of bending events to make them work for him, a high tide that raises all boats, but this wasn't one of those times. I decided I wouldn't be coming back for Ultimates 2 in single issues. But I will grab the trade in a sale at some point. 


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#47 Internet Jesus

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 12:16 PM

The break up is pretty much a ruse. They officially are back together in the current issue.

Give it a shot. Some really, really big stuff happened in the past couple issues.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 01:04 AM

I kinda love that Marvel had to basically come out and say "Secret Empire doesn't matter, real Cap will be back soon!" just to try and quell fan outrage.


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 07:36 AM

What did they say?

 

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 08:12 AM

What did they say?
 
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At Marvel, we want to assure all of our fans that we hear your concerns about aligning Captain America with Hydra and we politely ask you to allow the story to unfold before coming to any conclusion.
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Posted 04 May 2017 - 09:12 AM

So basically the Internet Jesus way of trying to address concerns, got it.


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 06:14 PM

It's infuriating that so many readers can somehow fail to realise that this is one story in a decades-long serial where literally everything is transient and reliant on the whims of the current editors and writers, who will always be a short-term part of the narrative, regularly replaced by new teams with different takes who change, remove and retcon whatever suits them. OBVIOUSLY this isn't the ongoing status quo until the end of time.

 

I'm not saying this whole thing isn't stupid and/or badly handled, but it's one story arc. It will come and go. Even if it ends with "and this was the truest facts, forever" we can be certain that it will be swept away soon enough. How can any person who has been reading comics for longer than this story has existed not know that? And if you dislike it enough to stop reading, that's fine -- you can go back to your old trades or floppies and cocoon yourself in a safer time. It's obviously okay to vote with your wallet and say "thanks Marvel, I'm out til this garbage is done".

 

But it would be sad if the message they get from all this controversy is "don't bother trying to tell stories where anything actually happens", I guess.


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 06:39 PM


Nobody intelligent or into comics for even a year or two EVER imagined this was in any way perminent.

That's not the problem people have with it at all. The actual problems include distaste in the whole concept even as a temporary thing, offense at the tone deaf ideas/defenses from Marvel, and general event fatigue, among other things.


-ZacWilliam, for myself, in a world where our government is disgusting as today I don't want a book about Cap being disgusting, even if he loses/is rescued at ending.
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Posted 05 May 2017 - 05:18 PM

My problem comes with: Agents of Shield already did this in the framework. And better


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 01:51 AM

Nobody intelligent or into comics for even a year or two EVER imagined this was in any way perminent.

That's not the problem people have with it at all. The actual problems include distaste in the whole concept even as a temporary thing, offense at the tone deaf ideas/defenses from Marvel, and general event fatigue, among other things.


-ZacWilliam, for myself, in a world where our government is disgusting as today I don't want a book about Cap being disgusting, even if he loses/is rescued at ending.


It sounds to me like the folks at Marvel has basically forgotten that comics were ultimately meant to be escapism, with the bulk of the readership coming back to get a few minutes' respite from the real world.

I've only found a few people who like the current arc; the rest are ready for it to be done with.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:11 PM

https://heatst.com/e...-to-poor-sales/

 

How is it that a comic featuring Black Panther, Luke Cage, *and* Storm can fail so badly as to be cancelled two issues in? 



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:22 PM

Putting Storm and Black Panther together again is probably a bad start as far as some readers are concerned. And really, how many Black Panther books did Marvel think the market would carry?! 

 

Regardless, this is sad. Is Marvel right about diversity and social issues suddenly becoming sales killers? That's a pretty shitty position for us to be in.


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#58 Internet Jesus

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:45 PM

So, umm. Some spoilers for Secret Empire #2.

 

Spoiler

 

What.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:17 PM

I'm not quite sure, but is it bad that I kinda dig it?

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:18 PM

It's actually a Secret Invasion sequel and everyone's a Skrull?


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