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[Broadside]

Yeah, apparently it's been selling terribly.
I checked it out a couple of times. It's hamstrung by the art and the focus on Bucky, mostly; it's a lot better when it's about the actual Thunderbolts.

[2018]

I don't read much comics except ones I hear about. I did read Mockingbird and it was amusingly mediocre doctor-who-esque writing until the finale where it turned into offensive character-ruining trash, but by that point it was cancelled anyway.

[bigbot69]

I think for me, I'm at 'amount of comics' fatigue. It seems like everyone and their uncle has a solo comic how, even if they don't actually need one.

Don't get me wrong, some of them have been great: Carnage, Gwenpool. But there's been a lot of guff in there too (Drax).

I'd much rather they pulled back the amount they make each month and focussed on higher quality, fewer big events for the teams. And quite frankly does EVERYhero need a doppleganger at this point?

Deadpool/gwenpool peter/miles Thor/Odinson Sam Wilson/Steve Rogers wolverine/wolverine/old man logan X-men/all new x-men Iron Man/Ironheart ETC. It becomes overkill. I realise they may not want to go the 90's route of 'oh hey the original is gone here's your new replacement for now' and one or two is ok and some have worked really well. But please Stop with over doing it, not everyone needs a 2nd copy!

My 2 cents.

[Zodberg]

Marvel has a lot of good books and a lot of bad ones. Right now they're in a pretty bad spot

 

- #1 Fatigue. Fresh starts welcoming to new readers has gone past the point of diminishing returns and now with books renumbering because other books are renumbering, ugh.

 

- Multiple "Avengers" books and I don't know which one is *the* Avengers book. Where's the single go-to All-star experience where I can get the biggest (available) heroes in one book which is providing a sense of direction from one event to the next? Uncanny? Waid's book? What's the flagship title?

 

-A big string of bad events. from Age of Ultron to Axis to Original Sin to Civil War 2. If they held off, chilled out, let the status quo develop and set in so that any changes to it would seem like a bigger deal, sure. And none of the events have great concepts, just devices which crap stuff up until they're taken off the table.

 

-They gave The Inhumans an overdue chance to be the new X-Men. I'm not opposed to the idea, the Inhumans can be cool. But it didn't work and Marvel is trying to convince us it did.

[Kalidor]

I've tried to pick up a few books here and there, but truth is, since they started rebooting and renumbering everything as a regular practice, I just don't know or care what's going on. 

 

The only thing I keep track of now are the movies and shows with characters I love. 

[Broadside]

- Multiple "Avengers" books and I don't know which one is *the* Avengers book. Where's the single go-to All-star experience where I can get the biggest (available) heroes in one book which is providing a sense of direction from one event to the next? Uncanny? Waid's book? What's the flagship title?

Haven't the X-Men books been doing that for decades, though? Like, there's never less than 2 or 3 "X-Men" team titles at a time.
(It's adjectiveless Avengers that's the "main" one, incidentally.)

-They gave The Inhumans an overdue chance to be the new X-Men. I'm not opposed to the idea, the Inhumans can be cool. But it didn't work and Marvel is trying to convince us it did.

 
It's kind of amusing that the only things that are getting people excited about Inhumans... well, ever, are the ones coming out after they've pretty much given up on Making Them The New X-Men.
(Apparently the current Avengers cartoon is explicitly doing a "hated and feared" thing with Inhumans right now and the creators are talking about how it's "a message that resonates with kids", so... ehhhn.)

Edited by Broadside, 03 February 2017 - 05:00 PM.

[Chris McFeely]

The new Hawkeye series (Kate Bishop, that is) has zoomed WAY up my list. Squirrel Girl's literally my favourite comic being published right now, but Hawkeye's nipping at its heels off the back of the first two issues.

[Broadside]

Yeah? I dropped it after the first issue; it seemed to be trying to squish Kate into the mould of "Fraction Hawkguy, but a girl", which didn't do much for me.

(Also, the fact that Kate (1) is (as Clint pointed out in Fraction's run) rich and (2) just moved across the country... but still can't afford a sign for her door...?)

[LiamA]

 

The Vision book... I really hate to be that person who's too dumb to get the big new thing, I really wanted to like Vision, but I just didn't enjoy it at all. I'm terrible. 

 

I'm in the same boat with you about the Vision.  I read the entire series and I felt like I was missing something.

[LiamA]

 

- Multiple "Avengers" books and I don't know which one is *the* Avengers book. Where's the single go-to All-star experience where I can get the biggest (available) heroes in one book which is providing a sense of direction from one event to the next? Uncanny? Waid's book? What's the flagship title?

Haven't the X-Men books been doing that for decades, though? Like, there's never less than 2 or 3 "X-Men" team titles at a time.
(It's adjectiveless Avengers that's the "main" one, incidentally.)

-They gave The Inhumans an overdue chance to be the new X-Men. I'm not opposed to the idea, the Inhumans can be cool. But it didn't work and Marvel is trying to convince us it did.

 
It's kind of amusing that the only things that are getting people excited about Inhumans... well, ever, are the ones coming out after they've pretty much given up on Making Them The New X-Men.
(Apparently the current Avengers cartoon is explicitly doing a "hated and feared" thing with Inhumans right now and the creators are talking about how it's "a message that resonates with kids", so... ehhhn.)

 

 

With the X-Men they always felt like branches of the overall X-Men.  With the Avengers now it feels like you got all these separate teams calling themselves Avengers but they aren't one big group.

[Wildwade]

Yeah? I dropped it after the first issue; it seemed to be trying to squish Kate into the mould of "Fraction Hawkguy, but a girl", which didn't do much for me.

(Also, the fact that Kate (1) is (as Clint pointed out in Fraction's run) rich and (2) just moved across the country... but still can't afford a sign for her door...?)

 

Yeah, I feel the only time Kate's interesting is when she's bouncing off Clint or the Young Avengers or even Deadpool.  Otherwise she's just kind of obnoxiously stuck-up.

[Chris McFeely]

Yeah? I dropped it after the first issue; it seemed to be trying to squish Kate into the mould of "Fraction Hawkguy, but a girl", which didn't do much for me.

(Also, the fact that Kate (1) is (as Clint pointed out in Fraction's run) rich and (2) just moved across the country... but still can't afford a sign for her door...?)

 

Kate's dad cut her off a while back. She was bumming around LA without money even during the Fraction run. The thing about the second issue that locked it in for me was the revelation that, rather than just going for Fraction-style "socially conscious urban heroics," there's genuine mind-controlling supervillainy afoot. There's a line these "boutique" superhero books walk that sometimes tips too far away from the "superhero" side of things (the first few issues of Hellcat, for instance), but Kate's is sllllliiiiiiiiiiicing along that line with razor precision, more than Clint's even did. It really has my attention.

Edited by Chris McFeely, 06 February 2017 - 08:31 PM.

[Fortress Ironhold]

 

Has something happened with Cap that I don't know about?

[ZacWilliam1]

Apparently:

http://www.polygon.c..._source=twitter


-ZacWilliam, short short: Skull used Cube to retcon things so Cap's always been a secret Hydra Fascist. Hydra takes over the US. Oh and Hydra/The Nazi's winning WW2 and taking over 'might' have been the real universe all along.

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 27 April 2017 - 03:48 PM.

[Ms Virion]

Spoiler

Marvel made him a secret Hydra agent (which everyone expected was going to be a fake out/brainwash/shenanigans), then in the big 'SHOCKING' reveal made it so he was always a Hydra agent, Hydra/Germany actually won the war and the only reason things are as we know them to be (including non-Hydra Steve) is because the Allies used a cosmic cube to re-write reality. Now the 'proper timeline' has been restored and Steve's the Supreme Leader of Hydra now.

Edited by Ms Virion, 27 April 2017 - 03:51 PM.

[Fortress Ironhold]

I swear, it's as if Marvel and DC are having a drunken bet to see who can shed the most fans the fastest. 

[Spacewarp]

I would bet real physical money that in a few years time, there will be a comic mini-series that makes the whole

Spoiler

Hydra Earth is real Earth

thing a lie, ala The Crossing and Avengers Forever.

[Internet Jesus]

Spoiler

Marvel made him a secret Hydra agent (which everyone expected was going to be a fake out/brainwash/shenanigans), then in the big 'SHOCKING' reveal made it so he was always a Hydra agent, Hydra/Germany actually won the war and the only reason things are as we know them to be (including non-Hydra Steve) is because the Allies used a cosmic cube to re-write reality. Now the 'proper timeline' has been restored and Steve's the Supreme Leader of Hydra now.

OK. I've gathered all the relevant pages I could from my digital copies.

 

Here's a very long explanation of why the assumption that the Nazis Win timeline is the "real Earth" is incorrect.

 

As usual, context is KEY.

 

https://imgur.com/a/zPwZA

 

I really hope people read this because it's hard to explain to people who haven't read the entirety of this so far just through text.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 27 April 2017 - 05:47 PM.

[Ms Virion]

 

Spoiler

Marvel made him a secret Hydra agent (which everyone expected was going to be a fake out/brainwash/shenanigans), then in the big 'SHOCKING' reveal made it so he was always a Hydra agent, Hydra/Germany actually won the war and the only reason things are as we know them to be (including non-Hydra Steve) is because the Allies used a cosmic cube to re-write reality. Now the 'proper timeline' has been restored and Steve's the Supreme Leader of Hydra now.

OK. I've gathered all the relevant pages I could from my digital copies.

 

Here's a very long explanation of why the assumption that the Nazis Win timeline is the "real Earth" is incorrect.

 

As usual, context is KEY.

 

https://imgur.com/a/zPwZA

 

I really hope people read this because it's hard to explain to people who haven't read the entirety of this so far just through text.

 

 

Right, I'm just going off Marvel's PR. 

[Ironbite]

 

Spoiler

Marvel made him a secret Hydra agent (which everyone expected was going to be a fake out/brainwash/shenanigans), then in the big 'SHOCKING' reveal made it so he was always a Hydra agent, Hydra/Germany actually won the war and the only reason things are as we know them to be (including non-Hydra Steve) is because the Allies used a cosmic cube to re-write reality. Now the 'proper timeline' has been restored and Steve's the Supreme Leader of Hydra now.

OK. I've gathered all the relevant pages I could from my digital copies.

 

Here's a very long explanation of why the assumption that the Nazis Win timeline is the "real Earth" is incorrect.

 

As usual, context is KEY.

 

https://imgur.com/a/zPwZA

 

I really hope people read this because it's hard to explain to people who haven't read the entirety of this so far just through text.

 

 

You're being very oddly defensive over this whole shitty thing there IJ.  Makes me wonder why.

 

Ironbite-....YOU'RE NICK SPENCER AREN'T YOU!?