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@  Paladin : (25 June 2017 - 06:57 AM)

nobody here has moved past Wave 1. maybe if they hadn't crammed it with repaints....

@  Noideaforaname : (25 June 2017 - 06:46 AM)

Nitro's gonna be a pain in the butt to find, isn't he?

@  Pennpenn : (25 June 2017 - 03:51 AM)

Actually, on the subject of TLK toys, the voyager Nitro Zues or whatver looks pretty good. If I see it cheap I might give it to the Thunderwing head.

@  Pennpenn : (24 June 2017 - 09:58 PM)

Been playing a bit of Saints Row 4 and honestly the Blast Blast is hilariously overpowered.

@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 05:28 PM)

And a better headsculpt.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2017 - 05:23 PM)

It actually has half decent gimmicks too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2017 - 04:03 PM)

It's still crap but at least it takes up less space.

@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 10:31 AM)

I'd rather have Armada Sideswipe than Alternator Sideswipe.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 June 2017 - 09:50 AM)

What he's really doing is buying all the sideswipe, so that after the apocolypse.. He'll have an army to take ove the world!

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2017 - 09:00 AM)

We could be taking this the wrong way. What if this person means to sacrifice their own money to prevent Armada Sideswipes from falling into the hands of those who don't know better?

@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 06:26 AM)

People say silly things online all the time, usually followed by a smilie or a wink. Take away the context and they go from being a joke to absurd hyperbole.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2017 - 06:07 AM)

But that would miss the entire point of hyperbole.

@  Pennpenn : (24 June 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Well that's a stupid attitude from someone who would waste a lot of money. I mean, they should just... not buy movie toys?

@  Bass X0 : (24 June 2017 - 04:52 AM)

Most insane thing I read of the day: "I would rather buy 100 Armada Sideswipes and PRiD Airachnids than buy any Bayformers crap"

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:10 PM)

His dialogue is full of allusions to his infamous lookalike, though sometimes as subversions. Oh, and sometimes he sings Karaoke. Check his rendition of "My Way", it's on Youtube.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:09 PM)

The entire idea behind the character is that he looks and talks like Hitler, but is actually a good guy. Maybe with a dickish attitude, but he's not the villain.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:08 PM)

Alfons Hatler is a supporting character from a German Edgar Wallace parody movie and its sequel.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:07 PM)

I'd like to remind everyone that Alfons Hatler exists, which is all sorts of awesome.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 05:41 PM)

See, you say that and you know there's new a bubsy game coming. Don't make us keep re-baselining our horror reactions.

@  Sean Whitmore : (23 June 2017 - 03:31 PM)

Epilogue is the worst thing to happen to mankind. And I'm including, like, all the wars and stuff.

@  Evac : (23 June 2017 - 02:11 PM)

... Did Linkara cover that one?

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 01:50 PM)

the comics where Barbara quit being Batgirl after she was beaten into a miscarriage.

@  Boomhauer : (23 June 2017 - 01:20 PM)

His choice to be Batman had more punch when he was a completely normal guy met with the same dillema instead of the DNA garbage that muddies the message for no other reason than to give Old Bruce another ass-kiss before the show is over. It's a boring episode whose entire concept is repeating things already known and spark Squawkbox arguments.

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 01:11 PM)

But he still chose to be batman. Not only did he chose to be batman, he did it better.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 June 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I have to agree.. Part of the problem with Epilogue is it takes away from "Terry CHOSE to be batman" and changed it a bit to "Terry was designed to be batman."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Do you mean the DCAU continuity comics or Future's End?

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 11:36 AM)

can we all at least agree it's a better ending for Batman Beyond than the comics?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 10:52 AM)

There was no evidence of it to support it in the show, and generally using someone to MAKE a batman is a jerkish thing to do.

@  Benbot : (23 June 2017 - 10:37 AM)

why does it matter?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 June 2017 - 10:25 AM)

I think the problem with Epilogue was making Terry effectivly Batman's son.

@  Benbot : (23 June 2017 - 10:24 AM)

what's your problem with it?

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 10:02 AM)

Epilogue give a great end to Batman Beyond and even has a Mask of the Phantasm character

@  MrBlud : (23 June 2017 - 09:55 AM)

I don't post in the Shoutbox often, but when I do, it's to confirm "Epilogue" is garbage.

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 08:43 AM)

even "Epilogue" ? (braces for that argument again)

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Its a really great show.

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Justice League unlimited

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2017 - 08:14 AM)

Sprinkles or nothing!

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2017 - 07:06 AM)

>_< 3 hrs, $5,628 to go for the Two Scoops Kickstarter http://kck.st/2qgIkCd

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 06:16 AM)

Yeah, miles is only used when accuracy doesn't actually matter, or we're dealing with americans.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 03:55 AM)

We even use "miles" in similar contexts in German even though we use kilometers for actual measurements.

@  The Doctor Who : (23 June 2017 - 02:40 AM)

Makes sense, really. Colloquialisms exist in their own weird little universe where terminology can persist after it's no longer relevant otherwise.

@  abates : (23 June 2017 - 01:17 AM)

We also measure car milage in kilometres but still call it milage.

@  Bass X0 : (22 June 2017 - 05:47 PM)

No. We still say miles. Kilometers is only really used for actual specific distances whereas miles being used in a common phrase is still miles.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 June 2017 - 04:59 PM)

People from outside the U.S.: as we are all English-proficient here, do you ever use the phrase "I saw it coming from miles away.", or do you say "kilometers" instead?

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:06 PM)

Wow, that was supposed to :shout" hours ago...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:05 PM)

Indeed. Especially on opening week. We're talking avg, 5-8%. It's more at your discount/sub-run houses.

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 June 2017 - 10:25 AM)

AMC knows it, freakin $7 for a regular drink

@  Paladin : (22 June 2017 - 08:22 AM)

and if you want to support your theaters, buy more concessions. because they get SHIT from the ticket sales...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:15 AM)

So, we charged an extra $1 per. F'em

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:13 AM)

First, they threatened to stop sending us digital because we weren't upcharging for it (back when we were still "mixed" format). Then they threatened to stop sendingus 3D because we didn't upcharge for those either initially.


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#1 Fortress Ironhold

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:39 AM

As inspired by the "Occupy Avengers" thread...

Due to personal financial issues, I've had to keep to a pretty tight budget. As part of it, aside from the haul I picked up when the local Hastings went bust I haven't picked up a brand-new comic book in almost a year.

Because of this, I'm somewhat alarmed by the fact that 90% of the reviews and comments I'm seeing online about Marvel's actual comics are negative to at least some degree. The complaints I'm hearing range from general "they changed it, now it's terrible" to full-on rants about what the commentator sees as author after author trying to inject real-world politics into something that they feel doesn't need it.

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:00 AM

Not really, it depends what you like/buy but I think they've got plenty of great stuff if you look.

Squirrel Girl is always wonderful. Silver Surfer is wonderful when it comes out. Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is really good. Hellcat is cool. Liked the first issue of the Unstoppable Wasp. Unworthy Thor is very good. The first two issues of the new Nova book were great (and have Death's Head).

The new Jen Walters Hulk book had a very well done first issue but I think it's too serious/slow burn for me personally.

Pretty much everyone thought the just finished Vision book was amazing. Lot of folks Love the ANAD Wolverine book.

Tried Champions and it was distinctly "Eh" it wants to be a more politically conscious original New Warriors and I want to like it but all the character have their own books so we're missing the real teen drama and relationship changes.

-ZacWilliam, my feeling is that largely the core Avengers titles have been weak since Hickman left, Xmen has been a bit directionless and anything Bendis writes weak, directionless and boring...

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:31 AM

The buyers aren't happy, there's been a lot of news about sales flagging.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:33 AM

Marvel's got a lot of good "side books", but its big names range from mediocre to bad. The entire range is also suffering from event fatigue, and there've been some pretty poor arcs in a lot of the otherwise good comics (like Ms Marvel, Ghost Rider and Totally Awesome Hulk).

That said, Nova is literally perfect in every way. Power Man and Iron Fist, Foolkiller, USAvengers, and Ultimates2 (if you don't mind the art) are also excellent.
And generally I'd rather have a bunch of terrible comics and a few interesting ones like Marvel's doing than a full range of decent but boring and safe comics like DC is putting out.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

Marvel is publishing plenty of great stuff, though yeah, I'm feeling pretty over a lot of the big ticket books. If I never read another Avengers book I feel like I'll survive.

Gwenpool is amazing and hilarious. PM/IF too. Nova, yes. I was annoyed to see that brat hogging books that should belong to a real Nova but Sam Alexander has been consistently brilliant from day one. Great Lakes Avengers is superb.

Also excellent: Carnage, which I would never had touched (because who gives a shit about Carnage?! Why does he even HAVE a book?!) until I heard they had brought in the Darkhold and Victoria Montesi. Midnight Sons FTW.

I've been reading most of Marvel's output for decades and I don't know whether it's them or me, but I've never found it harder to maintain my interest. I wouldn't have put it down to declining quality, I assumed it was all on me, but we keep having conversations like this so I'm starting to think otherwise!

Outside the Marvel U, their Star Wars line is almost universally spectacular.

I too would sooner read any Marvel book than go back to the wretched, boring, endlessly mangled DCU. But, Young Animal deserves some praise and outside of Wacky Raceland the Hanna-Barbera line is awesome too, particularly the Flintstones. Somehow.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:05 AM

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?

 

Quality in writing is down, quality in art is not. Mediocrity lingers and sometimes good titles disappear, but it's never as bad as comic book fans make it seem. They're a vociferous lot, like fans of anything that has been around for a very long time. I guess.

The big names and ongoings don't really grab me any more. Right now, the Nova and Gamora books are better than decent. I dunno how long a lifespan the Gamora book has, but the art in it is absolutely stunning. Same with the Thanos book, but I don't want it to seem like I'm flaunting my cosmic favoritism.

I also like Squirrel Girl.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

Thinking about it, I think some of the criticism of the "replacement characters" - while much of it is "comic fans are mostly crusty conservative white guys who hate change" - can be put down to, essentially, the writing being just as bad/mediocre as ever, but without the familiar characters and attachments that could mitigate that. In essence, yes, these comics genuinely do kind of suck, but people are more likely to be forgiving of mediocre stories about characters they know and love than mediocre stories about characters they don't.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:26 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 

For someone who's been out of it for a while?

 

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Definitely Nova.

(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

Marvel and DC (and everyone) are always trying to copy recapture that original Spider-Man magic, that troubled teen superhero formula that just injects itself into people's hearts and gives birth to some new sensation who will be loved for decades to come. It very, very rarely works, but the current Nova is a case where they seem to have succeeded. And bringing Rich back is only going to make it more fun. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:20 PM

As a lot of people have observed, Sam Alexander is better at being a "new Peter Parker" than Miles Morales is.

(Which is maybe a good idea for Miles since he should be able to stand on his own, but, uh, they didn't replace it with a lot.)


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:38 PM

I hear Marvel's padding their numbers for Diamond by shipping more than retailers are ordering. The retailers don't have to pay for the extra books, but they do have to pay for the extra shipping, just so Marvel can say they shipped more than DC in a given month.

 

Really, this whole list is pretty good.

 

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:11 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 
For someone who's been out of it for a while?
 
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Definitely Nova.
(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:53 PM

I picked up Nova #3 yesterday and enjoyed the first two so much that I read them again before the new one.

"Is every super hero twelve now?"

 

Tee hee.

I also enjoy Mighty Thor, though I enjoyed the 2015 Thor book that gave her the hammer significantly moreso.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:02 PM

I'd say Nova is a nice entry point into Marvel right now. USAvengers is pretty goddamn fun, too.

 

I havent liked Marvel's output much since the end of Secret Wars. The only books I liked spinning out from that were Vision (over now), Squadron Supreme (over now) and Ultimates (over now but continuing in Ultimates2).

 

Then...nothing apart from Hydra Cap.

 

I still kept up with Thor because I kinda dug Jane as Thor and I wanted to continue Jason Aaron's Thor epic since Godbomb.

 

Kept up with Spidey kind of due to obligation since Spidey IS my favorite Superhero.

 

I think Marvel needs to clean the slate again and get better writers. I don't know what happened with Mark Waid...Champions is just terrible. Which is weird because Black Widow is so good.

 

Marvel also needs to start focusing on stories again instead of STRAIGHT FROM THE HEADLINES storylines because I believe people are so fatigued from that. Comics are an escape from all that for me. Probably why most of the stuff I like (Nova, Ultimates2, Unworthy Thor, Hulk, USAvengers) are far removed from the issue-oriented series.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:44 PM

Ultimates is great, yeah, and a pretty good place to go if you want a Serious Superhero Book (which is not what's generally being recommended in this thread) that works for dipping your toes into the Marvel U but is also reasonably self-contained. 

 

The Vision book... I really hate to be that person who's too dumb to get the big new thing, I really wanted to like Vision, but I just didn't enjoy it at all. I'm terrible. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:21 PM

Thunderbolts is a pretty solid and classic-feeling team book, if you can get past the goddamn bloody hideous Liefeld take-off art.

 

Seriously, it's like whomever decided Jon Malin should draw it just thought "Thunderbolts was a Nineties book, this'll fit" without doing any research into it.  Busiek and Bagley were trying to reclaim EIGHTIES storytelling with that book initially.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 08:37 PM

Yes. Thunderbolts is another good one (though I'd rather have someone else in charge). 

 

I sort of like the Liefeldiness of the art, but it's a puzzling choice. Did they go that way on purpose? If so, why?! Did they not notice? If not, how?!


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:22 PM

Yeah, as much as I enjoy T-Bolts...can we just have Bagley back? I know he's back for the anniversary issue, but Malin's art is the sole reason I don't put it on stuff I like about Marvel.

 

There's a lot of questionable art at Marvel right now, though.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 10:07 PM

I do get the feeling that T-Bolts might be on the danger bubble with Marvel.  The solicit to issue # 12 sounds vaguely like a final issue.  Hopefully they just relaunch it as "Winter Soldier and T-Bolts" or something if that's the case.  The letters page does seem to print stuff exclusively from Bucky fangirls.





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