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@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:42 PM)

Another great 90's animated film is, of course, The Iron Giant.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Another thing I liked about The Prince of Egypt was that it explained (without even having to say it outright) why Moses was chosen to deliver the Israelites from Egypt. Someone who had been raised among the slaves would have had too much bitterness and would want to go in throwing the wrath of God on all the Egyptians (or at least the royal family) until they all burned alive. But Moses had been raised as a member of the royal family, so he still thought of them as family. He wanted to reach a peaceful solution if at all possible.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:04 PM)

"I know! I'll turn him into a flea. A harmless little flea, and then I'll put that flea in a box, and then put that box inside of another box, and when it arrives - AHAHAHA! I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH! It's brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT, I tell you! Genius, I say!"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:03 PM)

Hell, The Emperor's New Groove is easily the funniest animated film ever. Disney managed to do what Dreamworks tried to do, and they did it right.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

None of their "funny" movies are anywhere near as funny as Aladdin or The Emperor's New Groove.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Its a pity Dreamworks devolved into a company that churned out "funny" films filled with pop culture references.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:00 PM)

(also at the end of that scene, the camera pans up from the Egyptian skyline to the night sky and the most prominent constellation is Orion. Which the Egyptians associated with Osiris)

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

Yeah I give them full credit for treating the Last Plague with all the solemness it deserves.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

It freed the Israelites, but Moses sure hated seeing what it did to his brother and all the normal non-slave owning people who didn't do anything wrong to the Israelites.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:58 PM)

And it actually portrays God murdering children as a tragic thing, something most other adaptations disturbingly don't do.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:57 PM)

So that what He told Moses becomes, "I'll lay the smackdown on Egypt, but I should warn you it's only gonna make Rameses dig in his heels more until I have no choice but to break him fully."

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:56 PM)

It also describes the "hardening of the Pharoah's heart" as his natural reaction to the plagues rather than an intentional mental override by God.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:54 PM)

Hell, it actually portrays the Plagues as something that's bad and treats most of the Egyptian people as not deserving that shit. "All the innocent who suffer from your stubbornness and pride" and all that.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I'm a Christian, but Prince of Egypt is one of the few religious movies I'll willingly watch, because it's actually good instead of being self-rightous preachy nonsense, batshit crazy propaganda or schmaltzy trash. It also has a great soundtrack with music that I actually put up there with some of Disney's best stuff.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:45 PM)

Dreamworks's best movies will always be the Dragons movies and The Prince of Egypt.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

Usually I'm willing to give animated films a go, but I have to agree this looked pretty terrible and I had no desire to see it

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

So it's the new "Bee Movie?"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:16 PM)

Calling it now: it'll be a meme in ten years.

@  Paladin : (26 March 2017 - 02:07 PM)

every single person who said "yes" to BOSS BABY should be smacked. repeatedly. with adamantium.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 06:02 AM)

Yeah, I don't sync my Twitter since it's irrelevant to a TF forum and sometimes NSFW.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 06:00 AM)

Ah, okay. I... don't know if that's a good idea or not. I post a lot of cats.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:50 AM)

I believe it will auto post anything you put on Twitter/Facebook to the Status section on the main forum page?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:41 AM)

And I totally miss Krispy Kreme. I mean, they're still around here, but nowhere I don't have to go well out of my way for any more. =(

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:40 AM)

"i think you can sync profiles from both to this site." Not clear on what that means.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:04 AM)

:D I'm glad I have people and sheep who are willing to eat doughnuts for me.

@  Bass X0 : (26 March 2017 - 04:48 AM)

YOU'RE ALREADY CRAZY, MR. "I AM SHRAPNEL, DECEPTICON HERO"!!

@  Waspinator : (26 March 2017 - 04:45 AM)

DON'T MIND IF I DO

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 March 2017 - 04:07 AM)

Go crazy?

@  Waspinator : (26 March 2017 - 03:31 AM)

No TV and no beer make Homer something something

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 March 2017 - 02:18 AM)

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (26 March 2017 - 01:27 AM)

Then again, I'd hate to fill up on Krispy Kremes right before dinner. What if I just bite his face off instead?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (26 March 2017 - 12:49 AM)

Yup.

@  OrionPax44 : (26 March 2017 - 12:48 AM)

MED has a fool proof protection plan. Foffy and I will eat all the Krispy Kreme donuts that stand in here way. Right Foffy?

@  Telly : (26 March 2017 - 12:08 AM)

*throws a krispy kreme* bite that! :p

@  Foffy the Sheep : (25 March 2017 - 11:59 PM)

Anyone who was going to try use MED's weaknessses against her would have to go through me first. And I'm warning you, I bite.

@  Telly : (25 March 2017 - 11:17 PM)

we now know meddmis weakness *rubs hands together sinisterly*

@  MEDdMI : (25 March 2017 - 04:44 PM)

My friends and I sold them in college for fundraising. We often had boxes of them sitting around. I can still smell them. I won't be touching them again unless I'm forced to.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 March 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I love love love the hot Krispy Kreme donuts. They opened one in my area and for the first few weeks there was a line out the door of people waiting for hot donuts.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 March 2017 - 02:33 PM)

OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Whoa... okay, that was a total over reaction. What I meant to say was... OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

@  D Immortalis : (25 March 2017 - 12:52 PM)

honestly i'm not much of fan of Krispy Kreme.

@  Hg Dragon : (25 March 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Who DOESN'T want Krispy Kreme?!?!

@  Noideaforaname : (25 March 2017 - 11:12 AM)

Diabetes? Pftt. I'm a survivor!

@  wonko the sane? : (25 March 2017 - 11:04 AM)

But diabetes tastes so goooodddd....

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 March 2017 - 09:06 AM)

Nah, I can do without diabetes.

@  Bass X0 : (25 March 2017 - 08:37 AM)

So... who wants Krispy Kreme donuts?

@  Paladin : (25 March 2017 - 06:50 AM)

i think you can sync profiles from both to this site.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 March 2017 - 05:04 AM)

So I'm looking around at my settings at the moment, and I'm noticing "Manage Facebook" and "Manage Twitter," but I have to log in with those to see anything. What do those offer?

@  Robowang : (24 March 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Thanks.

@  Jalaguy : (24 March 2017 - 03:38 PM)

A gun was definitely jumped, we'll make sure it doesn't happen again. Big apology to everyone who wanted to stay spoiler-free.

@  ▲ndrusi : (24 March 2017 - 03:08 PM)

Oh hey the news post in question turned up on my Tumblr dash, too. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot.


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#1 Fortress Ironhold

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:39 AM

As inspired by the "Occupy Avengers" thread...

Due to personal financial issues, I've had to keep to a pretty tight budget. As part of it, aside from the haul I picked up when the local Hastings went bust I haven't picked up a brand-new comic book in almost a year.

Because of this, I'm somewhat alarmed by the fact that 90% of the reviews and comments I'm seeing online about Marvel's actual comics are negative to at least some degree. The complaints I'm hearing range from general "they changed it, now it's terrible" to full-on rants about what the commentator sees as author after author trying to inject real-world politics into something that they feel doesn't need it.

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:00 AM

Not really, it depends what you like/buy but I think they've got plenty of great stuff if you look.

Squirrel Girl is always wonderful. Silver Surfer is wonderful when it comes out. Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is really good. Hellcat is cool. Liked the first issue of the Unstoppable Wasp. Unworthy Thor is very good. The first two issues of the new Nova book were great (and have Death's Head).

The new Jen Walters Hulk book had a very well done first issue but I think it's too serious/slow burn for me personally.

Pretty much everyone thought the just finished Vision book was amazing. Lot of folks Love the ANAD Wolverine book.

Tried Champions and it was distinctly "Eh" it wants to be a more politically conscious original New Warriors and I want to like it but all the character have their own books so we're missing the real teen drama and relationship changes.

-ZacWilliam, my feeling is that largely the core Avengers titles have been weak since Hickman left, Xmen has been a bit directionless and anything Bendis writes weak, directionless and boring...

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:31 AM

The buyers aren't happy, there's been a lot of news about sales flagging.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:33 AM

Marvel's got a lot of good "side books", but its big names range from mediocre to bad. The entire range is also suffering from event fatigue, and there've been some pretty poor arcs in a lot of the otherwise good comics (like Ms Marvel, Ghost Rider and Totally Awesome Hulk).

That said, Nova is literally perfect in every way. Power Man and Iron Fist, Foolkiller, USAvengers, and Ultimates2 (if you don't mind the art) are also excellent.
And generally I'd rather have a bunch of terrible comics and a few interesting ones like Marvel's doing than a full range of decent but boring and safe comics like DC is putting out.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

Marvel is publishing plenty of great stuff, though yeah, I'm feeling pretty over a lot of the big ticket books. If I never read another Avengers book I feel like I'll survive.

Gwenpool is amazing and hilarious. PM/IF too. Nova, yes. I was annoyed to see that brat hogging books that should belong to a real Nova but Sam Alexander has been consistently brilliant from day one. Great Lakes Avengers is superb.

Also excellent: Carnage, which I would never had touched (because who gives a shit about Carnage?! Why does he even HAVE a book?!) until I heard they had brought in the Darkhold and Victoria Montesi. Midnight Sons FTW.

I've been reading most of Marvel's output for decades and I don't know whether it's them or me, but I've never found it harder to maintain my interest. I wouldn't have put it down to declining quality, I assumed it was all on me, but we keep having conversations like this so I'm starting to think otherwise!

Outside the Marvel U, their Star Wars line is almost universally spectacular.

I too would sooner read any Marvel book than go back to the wretched, boring, endlessly mangled DCU. But, Young Animal deserves some praise and outside of Wacky Raceland the Hanna-Barbera line is awesome too, particularly the Flintstones. Somehow.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:05 AM

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?

 

Quality in writing is down, quality in art is not. Mediocrity lingers and sometimes good titles disappear, but it's never as bad as comic book fans make it seem. They're a vociferous lot, like fans of anything that has been around for a very long time. I guess.

The big names and ongoings don't really grab me any more. Right now, the Nova and Gamora books are better than decent. I dunno how long a lifespan the Gamora book has, but the art in it is absolutely stunning. Same with the Thanos book, but I don't want it to seem like I'm flaunting my cosmic favoritism.

I also like Squirrel Girl.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

Thinking about it, I think some of the criticism of the "replacement characters" - while much of it is "comic fans are mostly crusty conservative white guys who hate change" - can be put down to, essentially, the writing being just as bad/mediocre as ever, but without the familiar characters and attachments that could mitigate that. In essence, yes, these comics genuinely do kind of suck, but people are more likely to be forgiving of mediocre stories about characters they know and love than mediocre stories about characters they don't.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:26 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 

For someone who's been out of it for a while?

 

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Definitely Nova.

(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

Marvel and DC (and everyone) are always trying to copy recapture that original Spider-Man magic, that troubled teen superhero formula that just injects itself into people's hearts and gives birth to some new sensation who will be loved for decades to come. It very, very rarely works, but the current Nova is a case where they seem to have succeeded. And bringing Rich back is only going to make it more fun. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:20 PM

As a lot of people have observed, Sam Alexander is better at being a "new Peter Parker" than Miles Morales is.

(Which is maybe a good idea for Miles since he should be able to stand on his own, but, uh, they didn't replace it with a lot.)



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:38 PM

I hear Marvel's padding their numbers for Diamond by shipping more than retailers are ordering. The retailers don't have to pay for the extra books, but they do have to pay for the extra shipping, just so Marvel can say they shipped more than DC in a given month.

 

Really, this whole list is pretty good.

 

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:11 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 
For someone who's been out of it for a while?
 
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Definitely Nova.
(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)

Lol @ I hate every thing about yhat sentence.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:53 PM

I picked up Nova #3 yesterday and enjoyed the first two so much that I read them again before the new one.

"Is every super hero twelve now?"

 

Tee hee.

I also enjoy Mighty Thor, though I enjoyed the 2015 Thor book that gave her the hammer significantly moreso.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:02 PM

I'd say Nova is a nice entry point into Marvel right now. USAvengers is pretty goddamn fun, too.

 

I havent liked Marvel's output much since the end of Secret Wars. The only books I liked spinning out from that were Vision (over now), Squadron Supreme (over now) and Ultimates (over now but continuing in Ultimates2).

 

Then...nothing apart from Hydra Cap.

 

I still kept up with Thor because I kinda dug Jane as Thor and I wanted to continue Jason Aaron's Thor epic since Godbomb.

 

Kept up with Spidey kind of due to obligation since Spidey IS my favorite Superhero.

 

I think Marvel needs to clean the slate again and get better writers. I don't know what happened with Mark Waid...Champions is just terrible. Which is weird because Black Widow is so good.

 

Marvel also needs to start focusing on stories again instead of STRAIGHT FROM THE HEADLINES storylines because I believe people are so fatigued from that. Comics are an escape from all that for me. Probably why most of the stuff I like (Nova, Ultimates2, Unworthy Thor, Hulk, USAvengers) are far removed from the issue-oriented series.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:44 PM

Ultimates is great, yeah, and a pretty good place to go if you want a Serious Superhero Book (which is not what's generally being recommended in this thread) that works for dipping your toes into the Marvel U but is also reasonably self-contained. 

 

The Vision book... I really hate to be that person who's too dumb to get the big new thing, I really wanted to like Vision, but I just didn't enjoy it at all. I'm terrible. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:21 PM

Thunderbolts is a pretty solid and classic-feeling team book, if you can get past the goddamn bloody hideous Liefeld take-off art.

 

Seriously, it's like whomever decided Jon Malin should draw it just thought "Thunderbolts was a Nineties book, this'll fit" without doing any research into it.  Busiek and Bagley were trying to reclaim EIGHTIES storytelling with that book initially.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 08:37 PM

Yes. Thunderbolts is another good one (though I'd rather have someone else in charge). 

 

I sort of like the Liefeldiness of the art, but it's a puzzling choice. Did they go that way on purpose? If so, why?! Did they not notice? If not, how?!


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:22 PM

Yeah, as much as I enjoy T-Bolts...can we just have Bagley back? I know he's back for the anniversary issue, but Malin's art is the sole reason I don't put it on stuff I like about Marvel.

 

There's a lot of questionable art at Marvel right now, though.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 10:07 PM

I do get the feeling that T-Bolts might be on the danger bubble with Marvel.  The solicit to issue # 12 sounds vaguely like a final issue.  Hopefully they just relaunch it as "Winter Soldier and T-Bolts" or something if that's the case.  The letters page does seem to print stuff exclusively from Bucky fangirls.





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