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@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on


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#1 Fortress Ironhold

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:39 AM

As inspired by the "Occupy Avengers" thread...

Due to personal financial issues, I've had to keep to a pretty tight budget. As part of it, aside from the haul I picked up when the local Hastings went bust I haven't picked up a brand-new comic book in almost a year.

Because of this, I'm somewhat alarmed by the fact that 90% of the reviews and comments I'm seeing online about Marvel's actual comics are negative to at least some degree. The complaints I'm hearing range from general "they changed it, now it's terrible" to full-on rants about what the commentator sees as author after author trying to inject real-world politics into something that they feel doesn't need it.

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:00 AM

Not really, it depends what you like/buy but I think they've got plenty of great stuff if you look.

Squirrel Girl is always wonderful. Silver Surfer is wonderful when it comes out. Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is really good. Hellcat is cool. Liked the first issue of the Unstoppable Wasp. Unworthy Thor is very good. The first two issues of the new Nova book were great (and have Death's Head).

The new Jen Walters Hulk book had a very well done first issue but I think it's too serious/slow burn for me personally.

Pretty much everyone thought the just finished Vision book was amazing. Lot of folks Love the ANAD Wolverine book.

Tried Champions and it was distinctly "Eh" it wants to be a more politically conscious original New Warriors and I want to like it but all the character have their own books so we're missing the real teen drama and relationship changes.

-ZacWilliam, my feeling is that largely the core Avengers titles have been weak since Hickman left, Xmen has been a bit directionless and anything Bendis writes weak, directionless and boring...

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:31 AM

The buyers aren't happy, there's been a lot of news about sales flagging.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:33 AM

Marvel's got a lot of good "side books", but its big names range from mediocre to bad. The entire range is also suffering from event fatigue, and there've been some pretty poor arcs in a lot of the otherwise good comics (like Ms Marvel, Ghost Rider and Totally Awesome Hulk).

That said, Nova is literally perfect in every way. Power Man and Iron Fist, Foolkiller, USAvengers, and Ultimates2 (if you don't mind the art) are also excellent.
And generally I'd rather have a bunch of terrible comics and a few interesting ones like Marvel's doing than a full range of decent but boring and safe comics like DC is putting out.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

Marvel is publishing plenty of great stuff, though yeah, I'm feeling pretty over a lot of the big ticket books. If I never read another Avengers book I feel like I'll survive.

Gwenpool is amazing and hilarious. PM/IF too. Nova, yes. I was annoyed to see that brat hogging books that should belong to a real Nova but Sam Alexander has been consistently brilliant from day one. Great Lakes Avengers is superb.

Also excellent: Carnage, which I would never had touched (because who gives a shit about Carnage?! Why does he even HAVE a book?!) until I heard they had brought in the Darkhold and Victoria Montesi. Midnight Sons FTW.

I've been reading most of Marvel's output for decades and I don't know whether it's them or me, but I've never found it harder to maintain my interest. I wouldn't have put it down to declining quality, I assumed it was all on me, but we keep having conversations like this so I'm starting to think otherwise!

Outside the Marvel U, their Star Wars line is almost universally spectacular.

I too would sooner read any Marvel book than go back to the wretched, boring, endlessly mangled DCU. But, Young Animal deserves some praise and outside of Wacky Raceland the Hanna-Barbera line is awesome too, particularly the Flintstones. Somehow.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:05 AM

So really: has Marvel gotten that bad?

 

Quality in writing is down, quality in art is not. Mediocrity lingers and sometimes good titles disappear, but it's never as bad as comic book fans make it seem. They're a vociferous lot, like fans of anything that has been around for a very long time. I guess.

The big names and ongoings don't really grab me any more. Right now, the Nova and Gamora books are better than decent. I dunno how long a lifespan the Gamora book has, but the art in it is absolutely stunning. Same with the Thanos book, but I don't want it to seem like I'm flaunting my cosmic favoritism.

I also like Squirrel Girl.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

Thinking about it, I think some of the criticism of the "replacement characters" - while much of it is "comic fans are mostly crusty conservative white guys who hate change" - can be put down to, essentially, the writing being just as bad/mediocre as ever, but without the familiar characters and attachments that could mitigate that. In essence, yes, these comics genuinely do kind of suck, but people are more likely to be forgiving of mediocre stories about characters they know and love than mediocre stories about characters they don't.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?
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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:26 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 

For someone who's been out of it for a while?

 

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Definitely Nova.

(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

Marvel and DC (and everyone) are always trying to copy recapture that original Spider-Man magic, that troubled teen superhero formula that just injects itself into people's hearts and gives birth to some new sensation who will be loved for decades to come. It very, very rarely works, but the current Nova is a case where they seem to have succeeded. And bringing Rich back is only going to make it more fun. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:20 PM

As a lot of people have observed, Sam Alexander is better at being a "new Peter Parker" than Miles Morales is.

(Which is maybe a good idea for Miles since he should be able to stand on his own, but, uh, they didn't replace it with a lot.)


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:38 PM

I hear Marvel's padding their numbers for Diamond by shipping more than retailers are ordering. The retailers don't have to pay for the extra books, but they do have to pay for the extra shipping, just so Marvel can say they shipped more than DC in a given month.

 

Really, this whole list is pretty good.

 

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:11 PM

So aside from Squirrel Girl -

If you could pick *one* title to someone who's been out of it for a while, what title would that be?

 
For someone who's been out of it for a while?
 
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Definitely Nova.
(I mean, I'd recommend Nova to literally anyone, but you in particular might relate well to this.)

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:53 PM

I picked up Nova #3 yesterday and enjoyed the first two so much that I read them again before the new one.

"Is every super hero twelve now?"

 

Tee hee.

I also enjoy Mighty Thor, though I enjoyed the 2015 Thor book that gave her the hammer significantly moreso.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:02 PM

I'd say Nova is a nice entry point into Marvel right now. USAvengers is pretty goddamn fun, too.

 

I havent liked Marvel's output much since the end of Secret Wars. The only books I liked spinning out from that were Vision (over now), Squadron Supreme (over now) and Ultimates (over now but continuing in Ultimates2).

 

Then...nothing apart from Hydra Cap.

 

I still kept up with Thor because I kinda dug Jane as Thor and I wanted to continue Jason Aaron's Thor epic since Godbomb.

 

Kept up with Spidey kind of due to obligation since Spidey IS my favorite Superhero.

 

I think Marvel needs to clean the slate again and get better writers. I don't know what happened with Mark Waid...Champions is just terrible. Which is weird because Black Widow is so good.

 

Marvel also needs to start focusing on stories again instead of STRAIGHT FROM THE HEADLINES storylines because I believe people are so fatigued from that. Comics are an escape from all that for me. Probably why most of the stuff I like (Nova, Ultimates2, Unworthy Thor, Hulk, USAvengers) are far removed from the issue-oriented series.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:44 PM

Ultimates is great, yeah, and a pretty good place to go if you want a Serious Superhero Book (which is not what's generally being recommended in this thread) that works for dipping your toes into the Marvel U but is also reasonably self-contained. 

 

The Vision book... I really hate to be that person who's too dumb to get the big new thing, I really wanted to like Vision, but I just didn't enjoy it at all. I'm terrible. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 07:21 PM

Thunderbolts is a pretty solid and classic-feeling team book, if you can get past the goddamn bloody hideous Liefeld take-off art.

 

Seriously, it's like whomever decided Jon Malin should draw it just thought "Thunderbolts was a Nineties book, this'll fit" without doing any research into it.  Busiek and Bagley were trying to reclaim EIGHTIES storytelling with that book initially.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 08:37 PM

Yes. Thunderbolts is another good one (though I'd rather have someone else in charge). 

 

I sort of like the Liefeldiness of the art, but it's a puzzling choice. Did they go that way on purpose? If so, why?! Did they not notice? If not, how?!


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:22 PM

Yeah, as much as I enjoy T-Bolts...can we just have Bagley back? I know he's back for the anniversary issue, but Malin's art is the sole reason I don't put it on stuff I like about Marvel.

 

There's a lot of questionable art at Marvel right now, though.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 10:07 PM

I do get the feeling that T-Bolts might be on the danger bubble with Marvel.  The solicit to issue # 12 sounds vaguely like a final issue.  Hopefully they just relaunch it as "Winter Soldier and T-Bolts" or something if that's the case.  The letters page does seem to print stuff exclusively from Bucky fangirls.





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