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@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2018 - 07:28 AM)

Ah, the only "science fact" I dislike more than "humans only use 10% of the brain".

@  Foffy : (22 February 2018 - 01:39 AM)

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is impossible

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 10:22 PM)

Nothing wrong a good B movie now and then. What's bothering me is that the search on seems to work based on titles.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Not quite as bad as FilmRise's lineup, though

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Crackle is full of a lot of low budget B movies, too

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 09:47 PM)

urg. Sounds as bad as broadcast TV.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 08:24 PM)

Completely free. Has commercials inserted in awkward moments. IIRC they tend to slot some in right before the credits. So, show ends. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers. Credits. Buffers. Intro to next show. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 07:50 PM)

crackle is actually free too? I was oddly leary of that one for some reason, but couldn't find any proof it was pay.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:38 PM)

They ARE an official content licensor, not "one of those other free sites"

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:37 PM)

One of several free VOD sites/apps that are ad supported. I think Tubi is Paramount. Similar to Crackle, which is owned by Sony

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 February 2018 - 06:51 PM)

what is Tubi tv?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 06:01 PM)

And there's an android app! Sweet!

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 05:57 PM)

oohhh, thanks for the heads up. Seems like lots of decent stuff on there too. Bookmarked.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 05:07 PM)

So, I guess Tubi TV got some deal with Hasbro. They got the entire Transformers saga through Animated...minus Beast Wars for some reason.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2018 - 05:06 PM)

To be fair, if the TF Wiki split a new character page every time a story diverged from previous material, it would spiral ludicrously out of control.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 05:01 PM)

It's not a 1 to 1 situation, but it's the closest I can really come up with on the spot. Transformers is kind of different that way.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:59 PM)

No, but they do put the (trigger warning) pre-Mephisto Spider-Man in with the current Spider-Man. Not to mention Miles Morales's whole deal.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:49 PM)

I mostly meant how Marvel wiki doesn't put say, '80s cartoon Spider-Man as a sub-page of 616 Spider-Man.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:48 PM)

I guess I don't talk to enough Marvel fans.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Those are still events pertaining to a specific Superman. Not really comparable to how all the G1 Scorponoks are on the same page despite having very different traits and origins, with no retcons attempting to reconcile them.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:45 PM)

Well, that's kind of what happens with DC comics characters, too. Stories that happened to Pre-Flashpoint Superman, like Doomsday, are still treated like they happened to the current Superman, even if that causes continuity problems, for example.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:42 PM)

If Marvel characters were treated like TF, then a bunch of cartoon and video game versions would be lumped with their main universe counterparts because of similar designs.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:39 PM)

I'd say we treat TF like comic book fans treat Marvel/DC characters. Hasbro doesn't though.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:36 PM)

I think the closest comparison with how we treat TF characters, that I can think of, is DC comic characters. Sort of.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 02:47 PM)

There's been a few statements from Hasbro people suggesting that they don't make that kind of distinction between G1 and otherwise as far as characters go. Like whatever somebody said about Magnus Prime's identity.

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2018 - 02:45 PM)

The IDW comics are the old characters in a new continuity, even if sometimes they don't act the same as they used to. War For Cybertron could have been the G1 characters in a new continuity but Hasbro said no. Whereas the Devastation game is the G1 characters in a new continuity.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 11:10 AM)

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the TF fandom's definition of same character isn't really used elsewhere.

@  Boomhauer : (21 February 2018 - 11:09 AM)

For what it's worth, the character blurb bios in that one kid's book matched the ones in Aligned, but that could just be a matter of "Hasbro isn't going to let a expensive 600 page story bible go to waste so it keeps being referenced" instead of proof it's an Aligned story.

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

But like, if we say "G1 Soundwave", are the cartoon, comic, and toy bio really all the same character in a way that Aligned Soundwave isn't?

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

I'm not even sure how we'd tell the difference between "G1 characters in a new continuity" and "new characters who look like the G1 characters". Maybe it's sort of a philosophical thing.

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

If you ask Hasbro, Cyberverse is about the Transformers characters.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 February 2018 - 10:09 PM)

We don't really know yet. It could be an amalgamation of things.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 09:49 PM)

Or is Cyberverse a continuation of Prime/RiD?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 07:49 PM)

@RichardT1977 Hahahaha I love this place. My references are gotten here as Scott said "I have found my clan." Yes I did indeed bring the Purple Morphilogical Being into this. Sheesh I just realized he shares the color as a Con!

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 05:04 PM)

@Plokatron did you just drag Ivan Ooze into this?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 04:33 PM)

@RichardT1977 Touch me again and you'll be chicken wings in the morning. All I have to say about that. :D

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 February 2018 - 04:17 PM)

It's that one!

@  Bass X0 : (20 February 2018 - 04:01 PM)

Is Cyberverse the original G1 characters in a new continuity or completely new characters in a completely new continuity who happen to look similar to G1 characters but aren't them?

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:26 PM)

"Mr. Meeseeks, I want you to kill SCP-682--WITHOUT harming any humans."

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:25 PM)

If you're familiar with the relevant works, I've come up with one of the cruelest acts one could ever conceive:

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 12:05 PM)

As I said sorry. Won't happen again.

@  2018 : (20 February 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Yeah this isn't the place for your big blocks of texts, make a thread?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

They're worse than mutiposts in threads due to the lack of paragraph breaks.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:33 AM)

Side note in a way it was a good thing I never had the first Millennium Falcon seeing as no matter what it would eventually break. Curse you GPS. Also forgive me I do hope multiposts in shout aren't as frowned on as double posts in threads. If they are this is my vow I'll not let it happen again from my end.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:31 AM)

By the way getting ready to make my first Preorder ever with BBTS for the Millennium Falcon Transformer in honor of my mother who tried to get me the first one but they sold out before she could. Plus other things happed so I'm helping her keep a promise to me. Also getting Masterpiece Cy-Kill and a model of Thunderbird 2. So glad Preorders don't charge you full till delivery.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:26 AM)

Well yes like I said Nintendo don't like their IPs that are available to purchase to be up for free. Games like the translation of "For the Frog The Bell Tolls" remain since it's never been localized it's more a matter of hurting sales for them than anything and I seriously doubt they care about sprite comics. Much like Hasbro won't with my comic since 99% is scratch made by me. Fact is I am helping them more than hurting with this. Free advertisement and who knows maybe they will like my stuff enough to ask me to work with them on a game one day like the Longhaul design for RoTF. That was a lucky dude and no mistake.

@  2018 : (19 February 2018 - 10:40 PM)

Nintendo did force a bunch of rom sites to take down downloads for their games recently, though.

@  Plokatron : (19 February 2018 - 08:51 PM)

There is protective and then there is Nerdrage. I may be protective of my I.P.s that I'm creating but sheesh if someone wants to create fanfics well I'm not going to sue em. XD

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 February 2018 - 03:41 PM)

Yeah. I mean if they really cared about romhacks.. Well those would be gone in a minute. No one is as bad as Lucas was before disney bought star wars.. They where on a rampage.

@  Plokatron : (19 February 2018 - 02:29 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw Indeed and I was more refering to AM2R and the fact that music is flagged a lot on Youtube. Nintendo aren't pricks just very very protective. Plus AM2R was removed due to them already doing exactly what it did.


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Rarity: Does It Make You Like Toys More? And What Do You Have That Is "Rare"?


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#41 Dracula

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:47 PM

I have Transmetal Tigatron's gun barrels and tail in a bag of parts in my room somewhere. I still have no idea where the actual figure disappeared to...


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 04:56 PM

I will say that on some figures, my desire for them is entirely disconnected from their rarity.  I will freaking shiv someone to get my hands on particular Euro G1/G2 stuff just because I like it that much and have particularly fond memories of living in Europe, regardless of rarity.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:30 PM

There are several reasons I might like a toy.  Innovative transformation, nice deco, beloved character, or just a really solid mold.  I don't think rarity really plays much of a part.

 

This is pretty much how I feel - rarity doesn't really affect me one way or another; and if it does, its likely in that negative "I'm worried about breaking it" way that many have mentioned.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:13 PM

I'm annoyed by artificially rare items. I find intentionally limiting numbers just to drive up the price is obnoxious.

The good news is most of those aren't things I care about. Where it bugs me most is when something that could be considered an important collection piece is limited just for the sake of it. If people want to spend extra money on gold paint though, more power to 'em.

Things that are rare because they're tail-enders or whatever though isn't really intentional. I'm not going to chase them down unless it's something I really dig.

Consequently, there's very little I've been willing to pay the mark up for. :D
 
 
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:37 PM

  I've never made rarity the focus of my collecting habits, so I'd have to say that it matters very little to me.  However, because I have been in this fandom for decades, I have acquired certain Transformers over the years that would be considered rare.  

 

  The Arcee model kit, SBHM Galvatron and X-9 Ravage are a few off the top of my head.  I love those three for different reasons, but mainly it's because there are stories and memories attached to them.

 

  Perhaps even more near and dear to me though, are the beat-up G1 Wheeljack, the broken G1 Prowl, and the floppy mess of a G1 Megatron that I own from childhood.  Definitely not rare, certainly not worth much, but man, do I love seeing those few proudly displayed in my collection. 

 

Edit:  Nice thread, Robowang.  I've enjoyed reading everyone's responses.  :thumbsup


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:53 PM

My childhood holy grail was a notorious shelf-warmer, so no.

 

 

The 'rarest' things I have are figures like CW Sky Lynx, Wave 2(?) of the Kreons (Lugnut and pals), that red Blot from Prime... stuff I got for retail or less, but also were really only around for a week or two. But of course rarity wasn't a thought with them.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:05 PM

 

Dinoking, for example, is a lot harder/more expensive to get now than when I got it, but that hasn't made me like it more than I used to. In fact, it's just made me hesitant about touching it - I can basically never play with my Pyro again because I'm afraid it'll break, and what good is that?


Yeah. My ultimate collecting goal is to have a complete US G1 set, but a few items are excluded from the list since I'd be terrified to touch them.

I got a MISB Skyquake in 2001 for $40, because the dealer had no idea what he had. My whole collection went into storage in 2002, then I finally unpacked and put them all on display last year. Pyro and TM Megatron didn't survive being unwrapped and directly handled. Skyquake made scary crackling noises just from me straightening his arms. He's safe on the shelf now and I guess I'm never touching him again. Does that count as entirely owning something, if its actual use is denied to you?

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:15 PM

Rarity doesn't make me want a figure any more initially, but if it is rare and I already own it I think it makes me appreciate it more.

Probably helps I don't really have many super rare, cost-more-than-a-hundred-bucks-to-replace figures.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:00 PM

I don't have a taste for the super-rare, although I deeply desire X-9 Ravage and TM3 Megatron.

 

I do like to have "centerpieces" for displays and such that are a little something different than stuff you could stumble over on a shelf here. Like an MP, a superior Takara version, an exclusive, sometimes even a 3P or just a little something trickier to find like Sky Lynx.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:23 PM

Does that count as entirely owning something, if its actual use is denied to you?


Of course it counts as owning it, but for me, in that case, owning the figure would be the equivalent of owning a book with a picture of the figure. They would bring me the same value.


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 01:35 AM

For me it'd be my hardcopies of Robot Heroes Prowl and Ironhhide (obviously Prowl being the more desirable as he was unreleased) plus some various test shots. Favourite rare stuff that was mass produced is actually some of the statues and busts, like the Prowl bust by DST, that thing is super nice, and only 250, off the top of my head, made, still in the lower end of the rarity index. Rarest thing I WANT is Randy's blue Classics Bumblebee. Oh, how I covet thee. *sighs*


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 01:43 AM

I guess I DO appreciate stuff I have more when it's rare, especially if I managed to get it at a price that doesn't reflect its rarity (I totally get Engledogg's point there). But that's more because of the "wow, I can't believe I got this" than anything -- the rarity translates into "difficult to track down and get", and that's it. Id prefer for nothing to be super rare, of course, because the stuff I like tends to be annoyingly tough to get that way :) United Stepper? (shrug) I like Stepper. Ikard? Cool color scheme on a squid. Movie Fracture? Great mold, female character/well done Crasher nod, looks badass. GF DVD Exillion? I love the Cyb/GF line, and I might buy a petrified taco if it were in Hot Rod colors. I'm happy to have them, but the rarity is mostly just part of their story.


Even the rarities I say I'm happy to have are down to the perverse fun of putting the effort into tracking them down -- it's technically rare, but not exactly a grail for anyone but me. These Japanese store exclusive Superlink Energon Weapons (thanks for the help on a fee, Buster Darkwings) aren't going to set the secondary market or collecting world on fire, but the hunt is part of thir story and that's nice. (If anyone can help with the others, I'd love that.)

It's never occurred to me to seek things out BECAUSE they're rare. Some people I've actually met want to have a 1/500 Lucky Draw Gold Chrome Whatever because of the 1/500, which goes right over my head. It's never been about being able to say I have something only 499 other people have. I won't even get into the "this is rare and expensive so it's a collection centerpiece of mine I will brag about", because "this is a symbol of how much more disposable income I have than you" is a good color on nobody.


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 03:29 AM

Ehn.

 

Like... some of my favorite things in the collection are toys with a story behind them, which doesn't so much translate to "rare" as... "obscure". Aveo Swerve, for example. Or the Visa card Microns. All of which commanded ridicu-prices at one point and now... not so much. I'm delighted to have the Kreon skiing Optimus (thanks again, Walky!), which near as I can tell is pretty f***ing rare, but I dig him because he's a silly skiing Optimus Prime Kreon.

 

I've sold lots of rare stuff. I used to own Road Fire. Sold him. Realized how little I cared about him.

 

 

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 03:57 AM

I starting writing a post with a spice analogy that made me look at the Tako Tank with hungry eyes, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized I consider rarity more of a negative.

I mean, I love the Tako Tank, the fact that it was rare only made it harder to own. If the Tako Tank was as common as say Longrack I would love it all the same because it's an awesome toy. I'll still brag that I own a Tako Tank, because it's fun and give me an excuse to talk about a cool toy, but really I wish everyone had the chance to own one.

Oh the other end, I've jumped through hoops to get plenty of rare or hard to find toys over the years only to realize they are crappy toys and not worth the time, money, or effort. The rarity actually makes me hate these toys more. I could rant about a few toys that aren't really that bad, but I hate because of all the time and effort it took to get them only to be disappointed.

Then there's rare toys that everyone knows is crap, but are pricy because of their rarity (looking at you Mutants Soundwave).

So yeah, I see rarity more as a negative than a positive. Now I'm going to go have the Tako Tank fight Metals Megatron and X-9 Ravage. Like I said, I'm not above bragging :p

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 04:03 AM

I will say that "which one is rare/expensive" is like the only topic of conversation regarding Transformers that parents or in-laws or basically any visiting non-fan adult understands.  I can say, "this one means something to me because of a cartoon or comic book," and they'll shrug or their eyes will glaze over.  But say, "Oh, this particular Transformer is the third most expensive thing I own, after my house and my car," then finally they have something they care about at all.  So, um, thank you, rare Transformers toys, for filling fifteen seconds of awkward silence between me and my father-in-law that one time.  



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Posted 19 January 2017 - 04:10 AM

It factors into it somewhat but I largely want what I want.

I want the different colored Lucky Draw Micron Legend stuff because I like Armada. The only difference between an $80 Shining Unicron and a $3000 one is that I could actually afford the former.

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 06:49 AM

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Sorry I'm late Luke. 

 

and yeah She doesn't mean that much to me... Worst pony isn't a good enough reason for me to want something in my collection.

 

 


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 09:31 AM

Rarest thing I own is SHBM Lava Galvatron, only 100 exist; however, it is not particularly hard to acquire, since as a single-color vinyl thingie people tend to get bored and sell them not infrequently. The toughest to acquire piece I own is without a doubt Dinogeist, from Brave Exkaiser.

I missed this comment before, but I think it's funny that we're on flip sides of the same series.  Far and away, two of the rarest things I've got is a MIB Dragonkaiser and non-reissue MIB Exkaiser from that same series.


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:12 PM

I don't honestly even know what the rarest Transformers thing I own is, which should basically convey that I don't really own anything rare.



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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:52 PM

When you're down in south Florida, everything beyond the third or fourth wave of a given toyline is usually rare.

 

One of my biggest "I'M SUCH AN IDIOT" moments was when I passed on a T30 Gears I found in my local Wal-Mart, not realizing it was a rare tail-ender.


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