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@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:18 PM)

Because that line always cracks me up.

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:18 PM)

Does she at least say "AAAAAAAH! AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS, I'M FREE! IT'S TIME TO CONQUER EARTH!"

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 03:16 PM)

Well, at least Rita's still over-the-top, then...

@  MEDdMI : (30 March 2017 - 03:01 PM)

My friend said it tried to be inspiring and serious, but Rita was too campy and some of the messages might not be good for kids.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (30 March 2017 - 02:27 PM)

Anyone been to the theater to see Power Rangers? How is it?

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 02:24 PM)

Meh, even if it was a real continuation it wouldn't be the same without Tony Jay.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I don't want to see it be a trainwreck and crash and burn, because if it does that's probably it for ReBoot in any form for another decade or even longer. I'm just frustrated as ReBoot is one of the few things I like as much as Transformers.

@  Boomhauer : (30 March 2017 - 01:50 PM)

Fun fact: one of the actors for the main kids lied on his resume that he knew how to skate. He actualy doesn't. They had to choose between reshooting all his scenes with somebody else, getting a stunt or... just not having him skate at all.

@  Boomhauer : (30 March 2017 - 01:49 PM)

A close friend of mine has been working on that show for almost a year now. He's told me lots of things that filled me with excitement about how baffled the internet will be about it. It's gonna be a great trainwreck.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 12:37 PM)

Given all the advancements in computing since the end of the original series, how they've spread through every facet of our lives they could tell some great stories within the existing ReBoot universe... Instead they're going for Power Rangers meets Tron.

@  Evac : (30 March 2017 - 12:21 PM)

That's... That's not ReBoot. That's... That's a bad Tron rip-off.

@  Rycochet : (30 March 2017 - 12:18 PM)

Well, the ReBoot revival sounds positively dire.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 March 2017 - 01:58 AM)

Interior decorating by Ed Gein.

@  Telly : (29 March 2017 - 06:23 PM)

they make for good hat/coat racks in random places

@  Waspinator : (29 March 2017 - 06:10 PM)

I use antlers in all of my decorating!

@  Locoman : (29 March 2017 - 06:08 PM)

Evil?! Eeevil?! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiil!

@  Rycochet : (29 March 2017 - 03:43 PM)

Love Love, Peace Peace.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 March 2017 - 03:38 PM)

DEATH, DEATH, DEVIL DEVIL DEVIL DEVIL, EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL SONGS

@  MEDdMI : (29 March 2017 - 03:07 PM)

BE A MAAAAAANNNNNN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (29 March 2017 - 02:48 PM)

Young man, there's no need to feel down.

@  Waspinator : (29 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

Me, an alien? Is this one of your Earth jokes?

@  Evac : (29 March 2017 - 02:28 PM)

WHEN I WAS A YOUNG WARTHOOOOOOOOOOOG

@  Rycochet : (29 March 2017 - 11:27 AM)

And it don't take money, don't take fame, don't need no credit card to ride this train.

@  Dracula : (29 March 2017 - 09:30 AM)

When I was a young boy, I had to fight King Garamoth for dominion of Earth

@  OrionPax44 : (29 March 2017 - 09:00 AM)

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to have her mailed to you?

@  ▲ndrusi : (29 March 2017 - 07:59 AM)

When I was a young boy, my father took me into Tahiti to see a marching band.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 03:32 PM)

When I was a young boy,my father said to me; 'There's only one girl in the world for you, and she probably lives in Tahiti.'

@  Lightbright : (28 March 2017 - 03:26 PM)

It's a magical place :)

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 02:20 PM)

They were all in Tahiti that day, oh, and those days too, but they totally know someone who was there.

@  Broadside : (28 March 2017 - 01:37 PM)

Supposedly one of Mainframe's friends died during AHM, so presumably they were THERE, just, like, off-panel.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Additionally, Skywatch was rushed; it took them 23 years to learn how to control Ravage and Laserbeak, and they didn't even have a year to try and get the Dynobots under control.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:58 AM)

Presumably dealing with other problems-The military was already routed to NYC before the blackout. And a counter terrorism unit is not something you have deal with an alien menace-it was Skywatch's purview, and even then, their problems started occurring only a year after Joes formation.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:57 AM)

I think the only way I would buy a Gi-Joe comic would be if they were paired up with the monsterbots.

@  Evac : (28 March 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Nah, the Monsterbots had that covered.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:43 AM)

Where were they when poop was hitting the fan with the Machination? You've got giant robot monsters battling in the open with an army of human controlled robot weapons... Maaaaybe that's the kind of thing they should have intervened in given how Skywatch failed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 11:37 AM)

There was a major coordinated military presence outside New York during AHM. Where was the elite special task force?

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:24 AM)

Well there was also Soundwave disrupting all communications so no one could coordinate and also Starscream killed the President, and everyone else on Air Force One, who were probably some of the few who actually knew about their existence

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 11:21 AM)

If your country is being torn apart by aliens, you use every tool at your disposal and two years before AHM still puts them in existance around the time of the Machination who were very much the kind of problem they should have been dealing with.

@  Verity Carlo : (28 March 2017 - 11:10 AM)

IDW Joe was a top secret anti-terrorism unit made up of specialists. Not really "repelling an invasion force" material, plus they were formed two years before AHM

@  unluckiness : (28 March 2017 - 10:58 AM)

The Avengers were all Skrulls or something at the time

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 March 2017 - 10:45 AM)

It happened just like Spidey and SHIELD turned up in the original G1 comics.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 10:35 AM)

I try to forget that Avengers thing ever happened. I mean, aside from a throwaway line in Spotlight: Ramjet, it never comes up again anyway.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 10:29 AM)

They would have been #1 on the Presidents speed dial to deal with the problems caused by Skywatch losing control of the Transformers in their care.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 March 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Don't forget the Avengers. Megatron must have culled metahumans before AHM. Picture him personally tearing Spider-man in two.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 March 2017 - 10:18 AM)

You'd think they would've intervened the time Megatron took over New York.

@  Rycochet : (28 March 2017 - 08:25 AM)

I really don't care for Gi-Joe being retconned into sharing the same universe as Transformers, There have been too many Joe free events in America for them to have existed all along.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 March 2017 - 07:53 AM)

And now he gets to be a member of hugging G.I. Joe.

@  unluckiness : (28 March 2017 - 06:46 AM)

I don't think anyone was ever supposed to like him

@  Broadside : (28 March 2017 - 06:36 AM)

To be fair, Costa at least had the self-awareness to turn Spike into a villain when he realised that nobody liked him.

@  Jalaguy : (28 March 2017 - 05:17 AM)

And the "lol idgaf" approach to making itself part of the existing universe is stupid. They could have pivoted to be more G1-cartoon-y without throwing so much worldbuilding out the window for no reason.


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#21 Robowang

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:58 AM

Is it cool to own something for which there isn't even a picture of in the TFWiki yet?

Sure, but that's not why I picked it up. I just saw a tiny nondescript black & white box, without even a single picture on it, at Botcon sitting amongst a ton of stuff at a Japanese dealer's table at Botcon, and asked a fellow collector if he knew what it was. We were both pleasantly surprised.

Me, because random Speed Racer swag is cool. My compatriot, more likely because uncommon TF swag is cool. I had no idea that this was something special. I just thought it would be cool and fun in the same way I would appreciate a Bot Shot of a beloved character.

Let's just say that it was very fortunate for our friendship that the dealer had more than one, and we both left very happy.

Having a cool random story is way more fun than, "I spent a boatload of money on eBay for this."

Here he comes, here comes Mach 5 Prime, he's a demon on wheels....

 

I love a good story with this stuff. Besides the auctions I mentioned earlier, my favorite story is the time in 1999 when I was driving home with no intention of stopping anywhere. I saw a garage sale sign in front of this house with a big barn and SOMETHING just took control of me and veered into the driveway. 

 

I went home with a Cobra Terrordrome, nearly complete, for $15, and a U.S.S. Flagg (G.I.Joe aircraft carrier) missing some stuff for $25. It was pretty amazing as I was really getting into G.I.Joe collecting back then. 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:07 PM

Probably the rarest thing I own is a Rodimus Jr, which I managed to snap in half on its first transformation, because the way it's built is stupid.  It's super-glued together and staying in robot mode forever now.

 

Other than that, I have X-9 Ravage, and a few Black Rodimii, and some stuff I've probably forgotten because it's in storage.  But everything I have is because I like the character or I like the combination of figure/colors, not simply because it's rare, and I don't get upset if other people get the chance to enjoy the same figures.

 

(On the other hand, every time I've needed to sell a certain figure because I needed the money, hugging Hasbro Asia always manages to reissue that specific figure right on cue :rolleyes )



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:16 PM

I dunno.  When I think of "rare" Transformers, I think of things like lucky draw figures and unreleased G2 figures.  I don't have anything that rare in my collection, and I probably never will because they're not worth the price to me.

 

The rarest thing I own is probably the Waspinator test shot that is my avatar.  I don't know how many of them are in circulation, but they show up on eBay from time to time and this one wasn't outrageously expensive.  It's special to me largely because a bunch of friends helped me buy it because they thought I should own it.

 

There are several reasons I might like a toy.  Innovative transformation, nice deco, beloved character, or just a really solid mold.  I don't think rarity really plays much of a part.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:37 PM

THAT is amazing. Nice scores! Was this a long time ago or something more recent? 

It was a while ago (2008) - both eBay wins from the same seller.  

 

eBay used to be pretty good to me back in the day.  I got a lot of five test-market G1 Happy Meal black and green Cliffjumpers (MISP) for $1.35 total (early-mid 2000s); the unreleased-in-the-U.S. Animorph figures (Taxxon/Alien and Jake/Stingray) in 2005 for a buck each; stuff like that.   I never see deals like that anymore.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:52 PM

*reads thread title*

 

I predict... 3 posts until MLP reference.

 

Generally I like toys more when they're one of my favorite MLP characters, yes. =P

In all seriousness, rarity is a cool bonus to a figure, in the same sense expense is, but it hardly trumps a more enjoyable toy. Botcon Treadshot is cool, but I still love RotF Dunerunner more and I have almoat dozen of that toy.

 

17?!

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:15 PM

Rarity does add something to the mix but the price is a factor as well.

Aside from some BW, Universe, and Armada testshots (including Mini-cons), I have an Energon Insecticon in Chop Shop colors and a White Scrapmetal.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:52 PM

I'm a completist. Rarity is just an indicator, to me, of how much of a pain in the skidplate it might be to mark that box on the checklist. But every piece is wanted. I've no grails, really, though there are a couple pieces I'd certainly like to get.

 

Probably the two rarest items in my/our collection--as opposed to 'her'--are both Lucky Draws--'God' Primus and Black Fire Convoy--but there's a good bit of uncommon stuff in the mix, too.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:55 PM

Having something rare, hard to find, or valuable is nice, but usually it just means I'm going to treat it too carefully to have fun with it.  If you know you can't replace a figure if it breaks, you're less likely to actually play with it.  This is why I like to buy doubles of particularly loved characters.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:08 PM

The rarest figures I have are Notcon Cosmos and Under-3, and I hate them both.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:09 PM

I think rarity definitely amplifies toy my wantage, but it's not the only factor - I have to like something else about the toy too like colors, design, etc. or else the scarcity puts me off trying to own a toy.

 

Case in point... I have zero interest in ever getting any of the Takara-only Generation One toys. They have neat ideas behind them, and the characters are kind of cool sometimes, but whenever I look at the toys there's just no need for me to try to hunt them down. I see them, I see how difficult it is to own a complete one, and any ambition to own them never forms.

 

But I have plunked down some serious cash for other rare figures - European G1/G2, Takara BW, BW pre-production, Diaclone... I mean, I have a Grizzly-1 hard copy I paid $500 for, a Torca resin cast concept piece I paid $700... and I almost bought a Lucky Draw Galva Lio Convoy a few years back for over a grand but the ATM was out of cash and I took it as a sign that I was being stupid :D

 

Basically the order of things have to be "Oh that's neat" THEN "Oh, it's rare?" and that's when the "OMG, I can't get it, but it MUST be mine!!!" sets in. But there definitely needs to be that initial draw or else rarity actually becomes a detriment to my interests.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:25 PM

Rarest thing I own is SHBM Lava Galvatron, only 100 exist; however, it is not particularly hard to acquire, since as a single-color vinyl thingie people tend to get bored and sell them not infrequently. The toughest to acquire piece I own is without a doubt Dinogeist, from Brave Exkaiser. I'm sure it is at least a thousand times as abundant as Lavagalv, but it took me 6 years to find one; mine remains, after 20+ years in the online fandom, the only intact specimen I have ever seen for sale.

In general, rarity makes interesting figures more interesting - you didn't just get what you wanted, you had to be a little devoted and a little lucky to get it. Everybody liked Stormjet's colors BEFORE we saw he would be rare. But for boring nobodies, being rare is not going to save them - see "Descent into Evil."

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:32 PM

My non-trolly answer is that, while there are things I own that not everyone owns that I think of as "special", it's more that I have them than that they're rare. In fact, I'd rather have a toy nobody really has or talks about but that can be had for a relatively low price for anyone who cares, because then I can say "oh my, you don't have x? You have to get one, it's great!" and they can, it's not just me going "oh man, this is great, SUCK MY DICK YOU CAN NEVER HAVE IT".

 

Dinoking, for example, is a lot harder/more expensive to get now than when I got it, but that hasn't made me like it more than I used to. In fact, it's just made me hesitant about touching it - I can basically never play with my Pyro again because I'm afraid it'll break, and what good is that?



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:39 PM

I'm moving right now, and nothing makes me cognizant of or hate rarity more.  Stupid rare shit is hugging annoying when you're moving, and the more stupid rare shit you have, the more annoying it is.  Got a damn cupboard full of BotCon customization class guys that I need to carry in some sort of pillow-based transport, I dunno.  You trip and fall, suddenly you're out an irreplacable Animated Minerva and like $1500.

 

yaaaay rarity



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:45 PM

I have a complete Monstructor and I'm not sure why. I think I'd prefer having $300 but I can't be arsed to sell it. Maybe after a year on my new display....

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:47 PM

I love a good story with this stuff. Besides the auctions I mentioned earlier, my favorite story is the time in 1999 when I was driving home with no intention of stopping anywhere. I saw a garage sale sign in front of this house with a big barn and SOMETHING just took control of me and veered into the driveway. 
 
I went home with a Cobra Terrordrome, nearly complete, for $15, and a U.S.S. Flagg (G.I.Joe aircraft carrier) missing some stuff for $25. It was pretty amazing as I was really getting into G.I.Joe collecting back then.

 
Back in college, me and some friends went to a local comic book store. The door to their back room was open and I noticed an enormous box with the GI Joe logo, which I immediately recognized as the USS Flagg. I asked the cashier about it and he said the owner had gotten it out of an attic where it had been since 1985, and wanted "I dunno, a hundred bucks" for it. 
 
As a college kid I couldn't just up and spend a hundred bucks, but my friends really wanted me to buy that thing, so two of them each pitched in 20 bucks and persuaded me to drive back to the store and buy it. Lucky too, since I caught word later that another guy had his eyes on it and would have come back to buy it the same day. 
 
We went back to our apartment and spent the rest of the day assembling it and putting on the stickers. It was only missing a few parts and is still the centerpiece of my collection.
 
Also, I still go hang out at this shop from time to time and the manager told me once that I'm now hated by the owner as he later learned how much the Flagg is really worth.
 

Dinoking, for example, is a lot harder/more expensive to get now than when I got it, but that hasn't made me like it more than I used to. In fact, it's just made me hesitant about touching it - I can basically never play with my Pyro again because I'm afraid it'll break, and what good is that?


Yeah. My ultimate collecting goal is to have a complete US G1 set, but a few items are excluded from the list since I'd be terrified to touch them.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:52 PM

Now I want a stickerset to convert Titans Returns Getaway into Rarity from My Little Pony..


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:56 PM

I think AOE Rollbar (either one) is probably the best base figure for that.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:17 PM

X-9 Ravage certainly fits that bill.  It looks nice, but it's no big upgrade over TM Cheetor and I was just ecstatic to get my hands on it a decade ago because it was so damn hard to get at the time.

 

I remember that for years the only images I saw of Jaguar were of him in robot mode.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:21 PM

X-9 Ravage certainly fits that bill.  It looks nice, but it's no big upgrade over TM Cheetor and I was just ecstatic to get my hands on it a decade ago because it was so damn hard to get at the time.

 

Ravage is definitely worse than Cheetor, insofar as he transforms less and has huge, visible arms hanging out under his body. Cheetor was a great toy; Ravage has some of that greatness but botches a lot of it.

 

Gorgeous headsculpt, though. Way better than his actual show model, which modern Takara would probably have exactly replicated.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:41 PM

I find Ravage to be more fun than Cheetor in robot mode but terrible in comparison in var mode.




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