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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2018 - 07:16 PM)

I mean the foam was dangerous, but in space they probably put out the fires, then wore the equivalent of a hazmat suit to clean up.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 04:38 PM)

Only on special occassions.

@  Paladin : (20 June 2018 - 03:50 PM)

you don't?

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 02:17 PM)

I mean, we don't usually use asbestos on our souls.....

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2018 - 10:11 AM)

*looks at asbestos" Yep... Cause we've never used something harmful as a fire retardant. x.x;

@  unluckiness : (20 June 2018 - 06:32 AM)

fire retardant foam is so powerful it can extinguish even sparks

@  Pennpenn : (20 June 2018 - 05:23 AM)

I mean, this is a species that can be disabled (possibly fatally after a while?) by flame retardant foam, so yeah.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 01:28 AM)

Transformers are exactly as resilient as the plot needs them to be, so who knows, it could be lethal today.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 June 2018 - 08:50 PM)

Which is why Marvel Megatron was interested in Dr. Biggles-Jones' railgun design and had it grafted onto his G2 tank mode.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 08:43 PM)

Doesn't really matter what transformers are made of. If you send a 10 pound ball of metal flying at a good enough velocity, you will do damage.

@  Soft Snow : (19 June 2018 - 05:53 PM)

A regular cannon that shoots cannon balls and does nothing to other transformers because they are robots but would put a mean whole in the side of your wooden boat...

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

wtf did the shoutbox do to my emoji

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

also @ patchy its whatever your heart desires 😘

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

shes not a drill but she is a grill

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 June 2018 - 05:40 PM)

POTP CINDERSAUR IS A GIRL THIS IS NOT A DRILL

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 June 2018 - 05:18 PM)

A fusion cannon, or just a regular cannon?

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:04 PM)

megatron but he turns into a ford fusion with a cannon badly welded onto the roof

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 June 2018 - 02:22 PM)

My Little Fusion Cannon: Friendship Through Tyranny.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 June 2018 - 02:01 PM)

was that supposed to sound sexual

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 01:55 PM)

I'm pretty sure that megatrons cannon is his best friend, so that friendship is magic stuff won't work.

@  MEDdMI : (19 June 2018 - 01:16 PM)

And then the magic ponies force everyone to be friends FOREVERRRRRRR

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 12:06 PM)

Or... megatron just goes to war against skynet cause he can't stand the competition.

@  Otaku : (19 June 2018 - 10:53 AM)

As for Megatron vs Skynet... Shockwave decides to partner with Skynet and oust Megatron after first contact is made. We get Terminator/Vehicon hybrids. At first the humans are expedient pawns (why waste loyal Decepticons), then enough humans augmented with Cybertronian tech impress Megs that, after victory, humanity is absorbed into the Decepticon empire. Even if only as second or third class citizens, it still beats being seen as vermin by Skynet.

@  Otaku : (19 June 2018 - 10:51 AM)

Like I said, it is a nitpick; it makes sense, I'd just like to see a "regular" Earth setting where the 'cons take a stealthier approach to things - maybe because the Autobots are a better check against them and so they play the heroes. I mean, they could use various means to take being a sort of M.A.S.K. meets Power Rangers style team. ;)

@  Otaku : (19 June 2018 - 10:45 AM)

@Nevermore Works well enough for me. If I had to nitpick, I think there are actually two different stories being forced together. A "Thunderbolts" style story with the Decepticons doesn't need Skynet... and Megatron liberating the humans from Skynet doesn't need the subterfuge, at least for long.

@  unluckiness : (19 June 2018 - 08:33 AM)

I can dig it

@  unluckiness : (19 June 2018 - 08:21 AM)

So Thunderbolts with giant robots?

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:22 PM)

Thundercracker, in particular.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Some of the Decepticons start to really enjoy being the good guys. Well, they enjoy the act, at least. They find fulfillment in their assumed personas.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:20 PM)

Except SHockwave eventually betrays his teammates and teams up with Skynet.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:20 PM)

Starscream becomes the young, eager Nightscream, and so on.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

Megatron becomes the noble Megabolt, taking cues from Beast Wars Silverbolt.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

A Thunderbolts-esque masquerade.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

In order to do so, the Decepticons pretend to be the good guys and take on different personas.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:18 PM)

So Megatron decides that hey, the Autobots are stillback on Cybertron, so why not team up with the humans, defeat Skynet, then double-cross the humans?

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

Unfortunately, the Skynet/humans war is already going on, and Skynet is evolving rapidly.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

The Decepticons discover Earth and want to plunder its resources.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

It would have a really crazy twist:

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

I've had this crazy idea for a Transformers/Terminator crossover for years.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:20 PM)

Specifically I'd like to see Skynet's army rise up against him (he did refer to them as an "army of slaves" in Genisys), or even perhaps a peace-minded iteration of Skynet that's existed in a humanoid form long enough to gain some compassion for the human point of view

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:19 PM)

A peaceful resolution would be satisfying for me (it's the only resolution possible in The Matrix series, too), but I think the majority of Terminator fans would walk out think WTF?

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:15 PM)

I liked Clarke as Sarah as well, although I read a lot of complaints online that she looked too young, but I thought she was pretty badass.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 June 2018 - 05:11 PM)

I think across these movies, there's a very compelling story about a progressive temporal arms race driven by mutual fear in which Judgement Day keeps getting pushed back, which only gives both sides more time for technological development, and the only true resolution to it is cooperation. But cooperation will never come about because each side fears being wiped out by the other.

@  Paladin : (18 June 2018 - 05:05 PM)

Genisys basically made Sara Connors' entire motivation in stopping judgement day stem from not wanting to sleep with Jai Courtney. and really, can you blame her?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 June 2018 - 03:52 PM)

I'll give Genisys another thing, Emilia Clarke made a damn good Linda Hamilton. (As for Jai Courtney looking nothing like Michael Biehn, that just supports my theory that it's not always the same "Kyle Reese" sent back which would explain why John Connor looks different in almost every movie.)

@  Rycochet : (18 June 2018 - 02:54 PM)

I'm not, I'm lost in music.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 June 2018 - 12:59 PM)

What, again?

@  2018 : (18 June 2018 - 06:33 AM)

It's a time warp. We're trapped in the past.

@  Pennpenn : (18 June 2018 - 05:44 AM)

A rick roll? Really?

@  Waspinator : (17 June 2018 - 11:03 PM)

On the subject of a Mega Man movie


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Rarity: Does It Make You Like Toys More? And What Do You Have That Is "Rare"?


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#21 Robowang

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:58 AM

Is it cool to own something for which there isn't even a picture of in the TFWiki yet?

Sure, but that's not why I picked it up. I just saw a tiny nondescript black & white box, without even a single picture on it, at Botcon sitting amongst a ton of stuff at a Japanese dealer's table at Botcon, and asked a fellow collector if he knew what it was. We were both pleasantly surprised.

Me, because random Speed Racer swag is cool. My compatriot, more likely because uncommon TF swag is cool. I had no idea that this was something special. I just thought it would be cool and fun in the same way I would appreciate a Bot Shot of a beloved character.

Let's just say that it was very fortunate for our friendship that the dealer had more than one, and we both left very happy.

Having a cool random story is way more fun than, "I spent a boatload of money on eBay for this."

Here he comes, here comes Mach 5 Prime, he's a demon on wheels....

 

I love a good story with this stuff. Besides the auctions I mentioned earlier, my favorite story is the time in 1999 when I was driving home with no intention of stopping anywhere. I saw a garage sale sign in front of this house with a big barn and SOMETHING just took control of me and veered into the driveway. 

 

I went home with a Cobra Terrordrome, nearly complete, for $15, and a U.S.S. Flagg (G.I.Joe aircraft carrier) missing some stuff for $25. It was pretty amazing as I was really getting into G.I.Joe collecting back then. 



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:07 PM

Probably the rarest thing I own is a Rodimus Jr, which I managed to snap in half on its first transformation, because the way it's built is stupid.  It's super-glued together and staying in robot mode forever now.

 

Other than that, I have X-9 Ravage, and a few Black Rodimii, and some stuff I've probably forgotten because it's in storage.  But everything I have is because I like the character or I like the combination of figure/colors, not simply because it's rare, and I don't get upset if other people get the chance to enjoy the same figures.

 

(On the other hand, every time I've needed to sell a certain figure because I needed the money, hugging Hasbro Asia always manages to reissue that specific figure right on cue :rolleyes )



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:16 PM

I dunno.  When I think of "rare" Transformers, I think of things like lucky draw figures and unreleased G2 figures.  I don't have anything that rare in my collection, and I probably never will because they're not worth the price to me.

 

The rarest thing I own is probably the Waspinator test shot that is my avatar.  I don't know how many of them are in circulation, but they show up on eBay from time to time and this one wasn't outrageously expensive.  It's special to me largely because a bunch of friends helped me buy it because they thought I should own it.

 

There are several reasons I might like a toy.  Innovative transformation, nice deco, beloved character, or just a really solid mold.  I don't think rarity really plays much of a part.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:37 PM

THAT is amazing. Nice scores! Was this a long time ago or something more recent? 

It was a while ago (2008) - both eBay wins from the same seller.  

 

eBay used to be pretty good to me back in the day.  I got a lot of five test-market G1 Happy Meal black and green Cliffjumpers (MISP) for $1.35 total (early-mid 2000s); the unreleased-in-the-U.S. Animorph figures (Taxxon/Alien and Jake/Stingray) in 2005 for a buck each; stuff like that.   I never see deals like that anymore.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:52 PM

*reads thread title*

 

I predict... 3 posts until MLP reference.

 

Generally I like toys more when they're one of my favorite MLP characters, yes. =P

In all seriousness, rarity is a cool bonus to a figure, in the same sense expense is, but it hardly trumps a more enjoyable toy. Botcon Treadshot is cool, but I still love RotF Dunerunner more and I have almoat dozen of that toy.

 

17?!

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:15 PM

Rarity does add something to the mix but the price is a factor as well.

Aside from some BW, Universe, and Armada testshots (including Mini-cons), I have an Energon Insecticon in Chop Shop colors and a White Scrapmetal.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:52 PM

I'm a completist. Rarity is just an indicator, to me, of how much of a pain in the skidplate it might be to mark that box on the checklist. But every piece is wanted. I've no grails, really, though there are a couple pieces I'd certainly like to get.

 

Probably the two rarest items in my/our collection--as opposed to 'her'--are both Lucky Draws--'God' Primus and Black Fire Convoy--but there's a good bit of uncommon stuff in the mix, too.

 

(Her rarest 'wins'.)


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:55 PM

Having something rare, hard to find, or valuable is nice, but usually it just means I'm going to treat it too carefully to have fun with it.  If you know you can't replace a figure if it breaks, you're less likely to actually play with it.  This is why I like to buy doubles of particularly loved characters.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:08 PM

The rarest figures I have are Notcon Cosmos and Under-3, and I hate them both.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:09 PM

I think rarity definitely amplifies toy my wantage, but it's not the only factor - I have to like something else about the toy too like colors, design, etc. or else the scarcity puts me off trying to own a toy.

 

Case in point... I have zero interest in ever getting any of the Takara-only Generation One toys. They have neat ideas behind them, and the characters are kind of cool sometimes, but whenever I look at the toys there's just no need for me to try to hunt them down. I see them, I see how difficult it is to own a complete one, and any ambition to own them never forms.

 

But I have plunked down some serious cash for other rare figures - European G1/G2, Takara BW, BW pre-production, Diaclone... I mean, I have a Grizzly-1 hard copy I paid $500 for, a Torca resin cast concept piece I paid $700... and I almost bought a Lucky Draw Galva Lio Convoy a few years back for over a grand but the ATM was out of cash and I took it as a sign that I was being stupid :D

 

Basically the order of things have to be "Oh that's neat" THEN "Oh, it's rare?" and that's when the "OMG, I can't get it, but it MUST be mine!!!" sets in. But there definitely needs to be that initial draw or else rarity actually becomes a detriment to my interests.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:25 PM

Rarest thing I own is SHBM Lava Galvatron, only 100 exist; however, it is not particularly hard to acquire, since as a single-color vinyl thingie people tend to get bored and sell them not infrequently. The toughest to acquire piece I own is without a doubt Dinogeist, from Brave Exkaiser. I'm sure it is at least a thousand times as abundant as Lavagalv, but it took me 6 years to find one; mine remains, after 20+ years in the online fandom, the only intact specimen I have ever seen for sale.

In general, rarity makes interesting figures more interesting - you didn't just get what you wanted, you had to be a little devoted and a little lucky to get it. Everybody liked Stormjet's colors BEFORE we saw he would be rare. But for boring nobodies, being rare is not going to save them - see "Descent into Evil."

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:32 PM

My non-trolly answer is that, while there are things I own that not everyone owns that I think of as "special", it's more that I have them than that they're rare. In fact, I'd rather have a toy nobody really has or talks about but that can be had for a relatively low price for anyone who cares, because then I can say "oh my, you don't have x? You have to get one, it's great!" and they can, it's not just me going "oh man, this is great, SUCK MY DICK YOU CAN NEVER HAVE IT".

 

Dinoking, for example, is a lot harder/more expensive to get now than when I got it, but that hasn't made me like it more than I used to. In fact, it's just made me hesitant about touching it - I can basically never play with my Pyro again because I'm afraid it'll break, and what good is that?



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:39 PM

I'm moving right now, and nothing makes me cognizant of or hate rarity more.  Stupid rare shit is hugging annoying when you're moving, and the more stupid rare shit you have, the more annoying it is.  Got a damn cupboard full of BotCon customization class guys that I need to carry in some sort of pillow-based transport, I dunno.  You trip and fall, suddenly you're out an irreplacable Animated Minerva and like $1500.

 

yaaaay rarity



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:45 PM

I have a complete Monstructor and I'm not sure why. I think I'd prefer having $300 but I can't be arsed to sell it. Maybe after a year on my new display....

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:47 PM

I love a good story with this stuff. Besides the auctions I mentioned earlier, my favorite story is the time in 1999 when I was driving home with no intention of stopping anywhere. I saw a garage sale sign in front of this house with a big barn and SOMETHING just took control of me and veered into the driveway. 
 
I went home with a Cobra Terrordrome, nearly complete, for $15, and a U.S.S. Flagg (G.I.Joe aircraft carrier) missing some stuff for $25. It was pretty amazing as I was really getting into G.I.Joe collecting back then.

 
Back in college, me and some friends went to a local comic book store. The door to their back room was open and I noticed an enormous box with the GI Joe logo, which I immediately recognized as the USS Flagg. I asked the cashier about it and he said the owner had gotten it out of an attic where it had been since 1985, and wanted "I dunno, a hundred bucks" for it. 
 
As a college kid I couldn't just up and spend a hundred bucks, but my friends really wanted me to buy that thing, so two of them each pitched in 20 bucks and persuaded me to drive back to the store and buy it. Lucky too, since I caught word later that another guy had his eyes on it and would have come back to buy it the same day. 
 
We went back to our apartment and spent the rest of the day assembling it and putting on the stickers. It was only missing a few parts and is still the centerpiece of my collection.
 
Also, I still go hang out at this shop from time to time and the manager told me once that I'm now hated by the owner as he later learned how much the Flagg is really worth.
 

Dinoking, for example, is a lot harder/more expensive to get now than when I got it, but that hasn't made me like it more than I used to. In fact, it's just made me hesitant about touching it - I can basically never play with my Pyro again because I'm afraid it'll break, and what good is that?


Yeah. My ultimate collecting goal is to have a complete US G1 set, but a few items are excluded from the list since I'd be terrified to touch them.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:52 PM

Now I want a stickerset to convert Titans Returns Getaway into Rarity from My Little Pony..


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 02:56 PM

I think AOE Rollbar (either one) is probably the best base figure for that.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:17 PM

X-9 Ravage certainly fits that bill.  It looks nice, but it's no big upgrade over TM Cheetor and I was just ecstatic to get my hands on it a decade ago because it was so damn hard to get at the time.

 

I remember that for years the only images I saw of Jaguar were of him in robot mode.

 

When I finally saw his Beast mode I understood why.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:21 PM

X-9 Ravage certainly fits that bill.  It looks nice, but it's no big upgrade over TM Cheetor and I was just ecstatic to get my hands on it a decade ago because it was so damn hard to get at the time.

 

Ravage is definitely worse than Cheetor, insofar as he transforms less and has huge, visible arms hanging out under his body. Cheetor was a great toy; Ravage has some of that greatness but botches a lot of it.

 

Gorgeous headsculpt, though. Way better than his actual show model, which modern Takara would probably have exactly replicated.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:41 PM

I find Ravage to be more fun than Cheetor in robot mode but terrible in comparison in var mode.




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