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@  RichardT1977 : (22 August 2017 - 10:56 PM)

Got some good views of the buildup, though (through certified filter glasses, of course)

@  RichardT1977 : (22 August 2017 - 10:56 PM)

I was in the zone of totality when the eclipse came. Unfortunately, I was also in the zone of cloud cover.

@  Evac : (22 August 2017 - 07:41 PM)

the one Bon Jovi song I unironically enjoy

@  Evac : (22 August 2017 - 07:41 PM)

Blaze of Glory

@  Telly : (22 August 2017 - 07:24 PM)

was out at walmart early and ran into an old family friend. my phone was playing "blaze of glory" by bon jovi, she said she hadnt heard it for a long time. i said i like old music, its better than the crap they put out today. is this how OUR parents felt about our music?

@  unluckiness : (22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Nah, they could tell by the lack of the very distinctive dialogue delivery. They just didn't want to be mean.

@  Dracula : (22 August 2017 - 08:42 AM)

Moon base is fine. I knew the castle was a total loss so I gave Olrox my best cape and told him he could have the throne room. The damn belmonts couldn't tell the difference

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 06:39 AM)

It's probably because that's a direct quote rather than an attempt to self censor

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 August 2017 - 06:26 AM)

"shit" isn't filtered anymore

@  Donocropolis : (22 August 2017 - 05:51 AM)

Elvis doesn't do sh*t.

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 03:38 AM)

Fine, though Elvis has a bit of a headache.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 August 2017 - 03:27 AM)

How's his moon base?

@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.


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#1 Robowang

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:21 AM

So I have this trait in which I tend to care more about a figure when it's harder to find or limited. I know a few of my buddies think that's stupid and that I should just appreciate a figure at face value, but that's just not how my collecting is programmed. For example, I prefer Primal Prime over Optimal Optimus. Optimal's colors are pretty awesome, but he was just...some toy to me when he came out. Primal Prime was this super-limited, hard-to-find figure, and while I do love his appearance, I have to admit, he's just in Prime colors. But guess which one I still own and display! On the flip side, with the massive decrease in worth for a lot of Botcon toys over the last few years, I find myself liking some of them less. The "rarity" factor has decreased knowing that the figure isn't as desirable anymore. I can still look at Double Punch and say "Yeah, that's a pretty figure," but the collector appeal just isn't there for me. (I like his colors enough that I haven't sold him, though.)

 

So my question is this: do YOU feel this way about certain figures that are harder to find? Do you have any "rare" treasures you just love to show off or want to mention? 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:29 AM

X-9 Ravage certainly fits that bill.  It looks nice, but it's no big upgrade over TM Cheetor and I was just ecstatic to get my hands on it a decade ago because it was so damn hard to get at the time.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:34 AM

*Glances lovingly at his Under-3, TM Claw Jaw, and Ikard/Tako Tank*

Yeah, I think I get that mentality.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:38 AM

I think it definitely applies.

 

No one would care about Stormjet, Spacewarp, green Ramulus, Energon Ultra Magnus, Reverb, most Lucky Draw figures, etc if they weren't rare or canceled figures (baring fiction to come after the fact - like with Spacewarp).

 

I know that I wouldn't care so much about the BAPE Convoys if they weren't rare.  Granted I'd get them, but obviously I like them more than I probably should due to the fact that they're rare and costly.

 

I definitely think you can also factor in whether someone got a good deal on a rare figure for increasing how much someone likes it.  If I paid $1,000 and not $50 for Spacewarp.  I certainly wouldn't like her as much as I do.  :D  Or if I caved and bought Stormjet off of eBay for $30 instead of $12 at KB Toys, I'd probably not like him as much either.  :D

 

TLDR, I definitely think it applies.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:40 AM

Not really. Rarity to me is a boundary. I like toys that are fun and/or nostalgic and/or remind me of favorite characters and/or inspire my imagination. I'm likely to show more care to a rare or valuable item, but only because I don't want to have to replace it.

 

The most expensive toy in my collection is probably the MOTUC Castle Grayskull, and I bought that because I thought it was really frikkin' cool. Along similar lines, I own a copy of Rondo of Blood for PC Engine, and that only because it was my holy grail for more than a decade. 

 

Putting it another way, if I had the scratch, I would never buy a Lucky Draw figure or Stadium Events for NES, because they would bring me no value other than to say that I had a rare thing. 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:43 AM

I...don't think so really. Any time I have something that's harder to get I'm usually just more nervous that I'll accidentally break the thing one day.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:44 AM

Rarity's pretty much the only way I can explain people buying chromed Lucky Draw stuff, since you could spend less than half the money and have the damn figure chromed on your own with exactly the same result.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:50 AM

For some people, maybe. For me, definitely not. The end of scarcity is a good. I would like everyone to get access to the stuff I love, so they might love it too.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:05 AM

This applies to me to some degree.  For a number of years I took great pride in my ownership of a MIB G1 Overlord (until I sold it).  Currently probably my most valuable figure is RiD Brave Max and I like him in part because of his uncommon availability.

 

But I don't really like overpaying for something rare, so I like rarity if I can get it at a reasonable price.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:26 AM

Rarity's pretty much the only way I can explain people buying chromed Lucky Draw stuff, since you could spend less than half the money and have the damn figure chromed on your own with exactly the same result.

Having a shelf of expensive gold transformers is one of those expressions of Trumpian excess.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:27 AM

Is it cool to own something for which there isn't even a picture of in the TFWiki yet?

Sure, but that's not why I picked it up. I just saw a tiny nondescript black & white box, without even a single picture on it, at Botcon sitting amongst a ton of stuff at a Japanese dealer's table at Botcon, and asked a fellow collector if he knew what it was. We were both pleasantly surprised.

Me, because random Speed Racer swag is cool. My compatriot, more likely because uncommon TF swag is cool. I had no idea that this was something special. I just thought it would be cool and fun in the same way I would appreciate a Bot Shot of a beloved character.

Let's just say that it was very fortunate for our friendship that the dealer had more than one, and we both left very happy.

Having a cool random story is way more fun than, "I spent a boatload of money on eBay for this."

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:37 AM

I definitely think you can also factor in whether someone got a good deal on a rare figure for increasing how much someone likes it.  If I paid $1,000 and not $50 for Spacewarp.  I certainly wouldn't like her as much as I do.  :D  Or if I caved and bought Stormjet off of eBay for $30 instead of $12 at KB Toys, I'd probably not like him as much either.  :D

This.  

 

To me, owning a rare figure is great and all, but to get a great deal on one is awesome.  For example, my Beast Wars X-2 Diver and VS-X1 Snapper vs. Armor Volcano set are great, but my 99-cent Beast Wars X-2 Diver and VS-X1 Snapper vs. Armor Volcano set are awesome.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:49 AM

It's the opposite for me. If it's rare, I have to worry about how to replace it if it breaks, and that's gotten way more pronounced now that I have kids. I don't need the stress. And I've found that the mass retail toys are more "real" to me. The big thing that got me started as an "adult collector" was the realization that Cyberjets were even more awesome than the Jetfire I'd grown up with, and they were $2.99. I'm in this because I like the idea of something interesting and well-engineered, which serves no useful purpose, and which you can buy with lunch money.

 

I did enjoy having the occasional toy made just for collectors back when that was novel, but at this point that market's way too spoiled to be much fun. I've sold very nearly all of my BotCon toys. I'll admit that part of this is my growing antipathy toward the collector-driven fandom. Plus, owning a lot of stuff that had appreciated in value was pretty helpful during the first few / most expensive years of day care. I got more for SG Rodimus than I got in trade-in for my Nissan.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:14 AM

Yeah, I remember selling off my Botcon 2006 set (the only funpub set I ever got) and buying a tablet with the money. I never once felt an ounce of regret over that sale. 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:29 AM

I'm in Canada. They're all rare.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:34 AM

I don't buy 'em much anymore to be honest with ye. So every purchase now is a special thing. I do like it when they go offbeat with the characters you never even expected to see as a toy again, does that count as rare? Sure it's a mass retail toy, but it's something you'll only really have happen once in a blue moon ie a rare occurrence. Any old year is going to have 5 Bumblebees released, but a Straxus? Now that's rare.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:34 AM

Generally I like toys more when they're one of my favorite MLP characters, yes. =P

In all seriousness, rarity is a cool bonus to a figure, in the same sense expense is, but it hardly trumps a more enjoyable toy. Botcon Treadshot is cool, but I still love RotF Dunerunner more and I have almoat dozen of that toy.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:45 AM

I think it definitely applies.

 

No one would care about Stormjet, Spacewarp, green Ramulus, Energon Ultra Magnus, Reverb, most Lucky Draw figures, etc if they weren't rare or canceled figures (baring fiction to come after the fact - like with Spacewarp).

 

I know that I wouldn't care so much about the BAPE Convoys if they weren't rare.  Granted I'd get them, but obviously I like them more than I probably should due to the fact that they're rare and costly.

 

I definitely think you can also factor in whether someone got a good deal on a rare figure for increasing how much someone likes it.  If I paid $1,000 and not $50 for Spacewarp.  I certainly wouldn't like her as much as I do.  :D  Or if I caved and bought Stormjet off of eBay for $30 instead of $12 at KB Toys, I'd probably not like him as much either.  :D

 

TLDR, I definitely think it applies.

 

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YES. Getting a good deal on something makes it even better!

 

I recently won a bunch of less-than-current-eBay-value auctions with the intentions of reselling at a profit. I made enough profit on the rest of the stuff that I got to keep G1 Metalhawk, Deathsaurus, and Dinoking for free! (And they are complete and gorgeous...with boxes!) 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:53 AM

Rarity helps increase the value in my mind, but it's not the end-all, go-all for why I buy a TF.

 

Some rare ones I buy cus rare, and some, I enjoy cus of rarity, but most of the rare ones, I play with maybe once or twice then plug in a box and never look at it again, cus I'm terrified of wearing it thin by playing with it too much.

 

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:53 AM

 

I definitely think you can also factor in whether someone got a good deal on a rare figure for increasing how much someone likes it.  If I paid $1,000 and not $50 for Spacewarp.  I certainly wouldn't like her as much as I do.  :D  Or if I caved and bought Stormjet off of eBay for $30 instead of $12 at KB Toys, I'd probably not like him as much either.  :D

This.  

 

To me, owning a rare figure is great and all, but to get a great deal on one is awesome.  For example, my Beast Wars X-2 Diver and VS-X1 Snapper vs. Armor Volcano set are great, but my 99-cent Beast Wars X-2 Diver and VS-X1 Snapper vs. Armor Volcano set are awesome.

 

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THAT is amazing. Nice scores! Was this a long time ago or something more recent? 


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