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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#1 Nevermore

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:56 AM

Leader Shadow Spark Optimus Prime. Hmm.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:09 AM

One thing I note with Bumblebee is that I'm pretty certain at this point that he's slightly mistransformed.  Pretty sure the rear wheels flip in to fill his ankle area, which will be great to finally have that detail properly replicated in plastic for once (and few Bumblebees have the wheels pinned to his ankles, but it's not quite the same as having them embedded in his ankles).  You can see that there's a suspiciously large gap in his ankles, with the support struts being conspicuously offset.

 

Also, his chest should close up tighter than that in robot mode.  You can see that the left headlight panel isn't collapsed as far as the right side one, so his chest should look narrower and a tad more accurate.

 

Yay, finally a transforming Bumblebee that has his two little "sub-wings".



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:34 AM

That's basically a straight repaint of the AOE leader, right?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:36 AM

Yep.  Doesn't even feature the new toolings from Takara's version.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:43 AM

^ Dang what's the excuse for that? Though it is pretty as hell.

 

And making a second Masterpiece design (third large design) for a version of Bumblebee that's not even in the films anymore is kind of weirdly lateral?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:00 AM

Woah, yeah, new-mould Masterpiece Movie 1 Bumblebee? That's supremely weird.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:07 AM

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:42 AM

Oh, okay.  So this is something completely different than I own already (in regards to Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee).

 

I might be interested if it's a better attempt at the iconic design then they created before.




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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:56 AM

One thing I note with Bumblebee is that I'm pretty certain at this point that he's slightly mistransformed.  Pretty sure the rear wheels flip in to fill his ankle area, which will be great to finally have that detail properly replicated in plastic for once (and few Bumblebees have the wheels pinned to his ankles, but it's not quite the same as having them embedded in his ankles).  You can see that there's a suspiciously large gap in his ankles, with the support struts being conspicuously offset.
 
Also, his chest should close up tighter than that in robot mode.  You can see that the left headlight panel isn't collapsed as far as the right side one, so his chest should look narrower and a tad more accurate.
 
Yay, finally a transforming Bumblebee that has his two little "sub-wings".


Yeah, you can see it properly transformed in these stock photos:

http://www.taghobby....8a-1024x768.jpg

Definitely the best transforming representation of the design to date.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:04 AM

I didn't bite on that AoE leader before, and while I am disappointed that the new toolings were ignored, that DOES look awesome.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:08 AM

One more step towards Bumblebee clogging shelves in every conceivable size class.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:11 AM

Glad the new Optimus is just a repaint so I can just buy the voyager that does look great and be on my way.

 

That Bumblebee is GORGEOUS. Hope one day I have enough money to get one.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:28 AM

Why.....why wouldn't they use the movie-accurate Armored Knight tooling? Is it not available? Is there some kind of rights issue? Like, that makes no sense. It exists, and it's more screen-accurate, and I doubt the tooling itself is somehow, like premium without the paint job. And this is possibly an asia exclusive anyway if it is! GAH.

 

That MP Bumblebee though. How big is it? I think I'm over movie stuff, but it DOES look nice.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:31 AM

Why.....why wouldn't they use the movie-accurate Armored Knight tooling? Is it not available? Is there some kind of rights issue? Like, that makes no sense. It exists, and it's more screen-accurate, and I doubt the tooling itself is somehow, like premium without the paint job. And this is possibly an asia exclusive anyway if it is! GAH.

 

Maybe there's more parts?  Or it's tied up with something else possibly?

 

Or more likely they figure this is an easy cash grab and the other tooling is slightly more expensive to produce.




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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:41 AM

 

Why.....why wouldn't they use the movie-accurate Armored Knight tooling? Is it not available? Is there some kind of rights issue? Like, that makes no sense. It exists, and it's more screen-accurate, and I doubt the tooling itself is somehow, like premium without the paint job. And this is possibly an asia exclusive anyway if it is! GAH.

 

Maybe there's more parts?  Or it's tied up with something else possibly?

 

Or more likely they figure this is an easy cash grab and the other tooling is slightly more expensive to produce.

 

 

Not having owned it, the only difference in terms of actual parts count spotted from all the detailed photos was a removable mouthplate. Aside from that, it was just, like, changes to the surface details.

 

I mean, I feel like you're right, it's just a bleh situation because that's a great deco gone to waste.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:28 AM

Did the original have turning hands, as I feel the retool had hands you could turn?




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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:30 AM

I mean, I guess I'll be That Guy, but "incredibly dark and muddy" isn't really a deco that blows me away.

 

Bumblebee looks fantastic; I'm not sure I need him in a post-3A world, with the number of other transforming Bees I have, but I am thrilled to see (like archon said) one that finally has all four wings.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:46 AM

Stock photos and product descriptions on the front page:

https://www.allspark...-toy-fair-2017/

Interesting that 'Bee continues the old Movie Masterpiece numbering, I guess it's technically a Takara product which Hasbro Asia is importing as per usual.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:47 AM

I mean, I guess I'll be That Guy, but "incredibly dark and muddy" isn't really a deco that blows me away.

It looks exceedingly dull to me, especially the "muddy" bit, so you aren't exactly alone on that one.  The truck mode looks a test shot.  I mean that in a bad way, not a literal one.

 

Did the original have turning hands, as I feel the retool had hands you could turn?

The retool added wrists.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:50 AM

The light gray upper arms on that Prime are a bit of a poor match with the rest of him.



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