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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#161 Spacewarp

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:03 PM

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:08 PM

Also, man. Poor Small Foot.

 

Hope her RR counterpart is doing well.


 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:14 PM

In my head the Cataclysm Scales has nothing to do with BWU. VP was talking about a different Tusks / Scales in a different universe.

The Cataclysm-verse Scales sentence gets cut off, so exactly what his disposition is never gets defined.

-JimS

 

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying that, Jim.

 

I take it that as various GoBots including the lead trios are still in their home reality as of "Last Sunset", then the story of how Cataclysm Crasher and Zero go from Gargent to Malgus is a story yet to be told by you and/or Hydra?

 

Though on that subject, how is it possible that "Cultural Appropriation" says Motosan went to Level 77 but in "Last Sunset" Crasher is beating up Mr. Moto? The Antares Eight screwed up their list?


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:19 PM

I mean, as far as we know, Last Sunset could have occured by the time Cultural Appropriations has happened. There data's clearly off in places-Mr. Moto has returned by part 4, despite Man-O-War, BuggyMan, and Rest-Q being on their lists, since it seems like they arrived relatively recently.


 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:24 PM

I'm curious to know what happened with the Gobots that went to Level 44 and how they interacted with the natives there.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:27 PM

Also, Cultural Appropriations places them as being in the Uprising-verse for 17 years.


 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:34 PM

The thing about dimension travel: it's not just about which one you pop up in, it's also about where and when you pop up in it.

 

Crasher evidently arrived in Animated prior to the events of the main series, for example, while Zero is in Trypticon Prison, which has that purpose in modern day, which probably means he didn't travel with her, seeing as she was captured by the Decepticons.


Edited by Verity Carlo, 11 February 2017 - 09:36 PM.

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:43 PM

I mean, as far as we know, Last Sunset could have occured by the time Cultural Appropriations has happened. There data's clearly off in places-Mr. Moto has returned by part 4, despite Man-O-War, BuggyMan, and Rest-Q being on their lists, since it seems like they arrived relatively recently.

 

Well how do you know Mr. Moto returned as opposed to never traveled and thus his listing is an error?


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:46 PM

 

I mean, as far as we know, Last Sunset could have occured by the time Cultural Appropriations has happened. There data's clearly off in places-Mr. Moto has returned by part 4, despite Man-O-War, BuggyMan, and Rest-Q being on their lists, since it seems like they arrived relatively recently.

 

Well how do you know Mr. Moto returned as opposed to never traveled and thus his listing is an error?

 

Well, considering that we know Jim helped Andrew with parts of SC, he presumably would have pointed it out to Andrew and it would of been changed.


 

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 12:26 AM

There's also Bug Bite's still-undisclosed fate.

 

 

And there's the original e-HOBBY G1 GoBots bio from 2004 that had the six GoBots of that set traveling from their Cataclysm-doomed universe into the Japanese G1 cartoon universe, in which their GoBot technology would be used to create the Spychangers.

 

 

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They were the first group of warriors on Cybertron to use the name “Gobots.” Although they outwardly appear to be average Transformers with conventional alternate modes, they are in fact undercover agents hailing from another galaxy. Their special operations team is banded together from members of two opposing factions working together to save the inhabitants of their homeworld from the Cataclysm. While carrying out secret recon such as intelligence gathering, diplomatic exchange, and space-time alteration experiments, their unique transport methods and cyborg physiology have contributed much to Cybertron, leading to the creation of advanced new generations of Transformers such as the Spychangers.
 
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Posted 12 February 2017 - 01:26 AM

In my head the Cataclysm Scales has nothing to do with BWU. VP was talking about a different Tusks / Scales in a different universe.

The Cataclysm-verse Scales sentence gets cut off, so exactly what his disposition is never gets defined.

-JimS


Just throwing it out there - Scales does get a teeny reference on the Cutural Appropriation cover ;)

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 04:33 AM

I think that much of these details are just "don't think about it too hard".

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:07 AM

Regarding things like Bug Bite's final whereabouts, there were things I could have added to the story, but just didn't think it had any place in the narrative. Same goes for in what way the Gobots ended up in Japanese continuity at some point. Could be through something with Axiom nexus, could be something with the Caretaker... Despite being the last of the published TCC fiction, I didn't really want to play cleanup for every plot point that had ever been left open by the TCC or tangential TF ficton. 

 

As for the finale of the story, what does it mean to you?

I had a couple explanations in mind for the story and conclusion, one more surreal than the other, but I'd be more interested to hear how people interpret it.

 

As for the overall themes I wanted to address through the narrative:

*What does being a "man" (or human) mean to the Gobots? Is it simply a measure of courage?

*Should one strive to attain a goal without sacrifice, or accept it if it will lead to a greater success? To what extent is sacrifice acceptable?

*Symmetry and satellites: Although published in 4 chapters, the story has 5 main sections (with two published in the last installment). 

In other words, the story orbits around the Caretaker, which makes its first appearance in the middle chapter. What other uses of symmetry or parallel structure can you see in the story?


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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:27 AM

 

In my head the Cataclysm Scales has nothing to do with BWU. VP was talking about a different Tusks / Scales in a different universe.

The Cataclysm-verse Scales sentence gets cut off, so exactly what his disposition is never gets defined.

-JimS


Just throwing it out there - Scales does get a teeny reference on the Cutural Appropriation cover ;)

 

Huh...

 

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 01:14 PM

I imagine Bug Bite's probably somewhere in the SG verse. Might've joined up with Classics Megatron or SG Rodimus. Perhaps even both.


 

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