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@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.


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#41 Spacewarp

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 10:29 PM

Oh, I'm certain this was probably a late edition.


 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 10:40 AM

Yeah, actually I'm sure the club would have preferred I submit the stories earlier.

I've been pretty busy this year. as my company is working on some big publishing projects.

 

Don't you think there's a certain relevance to their current plight given this timing, though?

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 10:47 AM

This was a piece of concept art that Hayato Sakamoto drew for the 2nd chapter.

 

Although I really like it, it went unused for... Y'know, reasons.

You can take it as a piece of fanart.

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 11:15 AM

I'm sure there are people who don't use twitter, so choose your Gobots in this thread, if you like!

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Gettin' the OG e-HOBBY band back together!

 

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 11:33 AM

This was a piece of concept art that Hayato Sakamoto drew for the 2nd chapter.

 

Although I really like it, it went unused for... Y'know, reasons.

You can take it as a piece of fanart.

 

Love it! But, based on my own experience for what is and isn't allowed, makes sense that this wouldn't pass muster. What's the significance of the Maximal symbol?

 

 

I'm sorry, but for a company about to lose the license to produce new content, they're really dragging this shit out, aren't they? Was the actual story content delayed in favor of the S.T.A.R.S. gag, or was it always supposed to be like this?

 

Oh, come now. "Dragging it out?" Everyone involved is busting their ass to get you as much content as we can before the end of the year. It's a celebration of the brand, and none of us wants to waste a single day. I'm still only halfway done with Derailment, the 4th and final part of the BWU Finale. To me, that's not "dragging it out," that's working hard to make sure that the fans get as much content as we can produce before the brand moves on in another direction.

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 11:43 AM

 

This was a piece of concept art that Hayato Sakamoto drew for the 2nd chapter.

 

Although I really like it, it went unused for... Y'know, reasons.

You can take it as a piece of fanart.

 

Love it! But, based on my own experience for what is and isn't allowed, makes sense that this wouldn't pass muster. What's the significance of the Maximal symbol?

It's a crest that was given to them by the "Beast Sage" to help forestall the destructive force that was trying to destroy their world.

 

Though, the text described it as a "vaguely leonine-shaped sigil". I guess the Maximal symbol could be considered at least cat-like, maybe.


Edited by Sabrblade, 26 November 2016 - 11:45 AM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 11:47 AM

The Maximal symbol is on a column that Lio Convoy/Leo Prime installed during his visit. It was meant to forestall the end of the universe if even just briefly.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 12:22 PM

Oh, neat. I remembered that Lio Convoy visited here to help out, but didn't make the connection with the Maximal symbol. I always thought of it as lupine myself.

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 12:27 PM

Yeah, I always assumed that it was just, like, a big picture of Lio's lion head.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 12:31 PM

Yeah, I always assumed that it was just, like, a big picture of Lio's lion head.

 

Yup. That said, if a lion-man saved my universe with a device affixed with that admittedly fairly abstract symbol, I might think of it as leonine too. Context matters.

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 12:36 PM

I've heard it be referred to as looking like a coyote head.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 01:19 PM

I see it as fox/wolf-like.

One might make the argument that it's a really stylized feline.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:14 PM

 

 

I'm sorry, but for a company about to lose the license to produce new content, they're really dragging this shit out, aren't they? Was the actual story content delayed in favor of the S.T.A.R.S. gag, or was it always supposed to be like this?

 

Oh, come now. "Dragging it out?" Everyone involved is busting their ass to get you as much content as we can before the end of the year. It's a celebration of the brand, and none of us wants to waste a single day. I'm still only halfway done with Derailment, the 4th and final part of the BWU Finale. To me, that's not "dragging it out," that's working hard to make sure that the fans get as much content as we can produce before the brand moves on in another direction.

 

-JimS

 

 

Yes. Dragging it out. This story was ten pages of the cast walking from one setting to a second setting, only to be told they needed to go to a third setting for the next chapter. That was the entire "plot". There was no characterization or plot development of any kind beyond this. So whether you've been waiting eight months since the last installment, three years and five months since Spatiotemporal Challengers was actually announced at BotCon 2013, or eight years and six months since the Withered Hope cliffhanger, this left a lot to be desired.
 

I have no complaints about Uprising and its schedule. Eight chapters in a year is very impressive. This is specifically about Spatiotemporal Challengers, and its one chapter in eight years.

 

I don't know why it's been three years since Spatiotemporal Challengers was announced and it's only coming out now. I don't know if there were personal problems that delayed the creators or professional problems with the prose license that delayed Fun Pub. All I can go by is what I see. And while High Noon delivered a coherent sequence of events, Sunrise and Journey's Eve both feel like filler. Worse, they're also the chapters attached with special "gimics", like a full Japanese translation at the end or a wholly unnecessary interactive element.

 

Which brings me back to Fun Pub losing the license and a general concern that if the thing ain't done by December 31st, it ain't ever gettin' done. And we get a chapter that stands for nothing except telling us "We haven't even started writing the next chapter, since we're waiting for you to weigh in from S.T.A.R.S.!"? A whole lot of effort was put into making that S.T.A.R.S. homage and the file cards as a bonus feature, when the audience is more than a little worried that the actual story won't even get finished on time.

 

It doesn't feel like this was the original 2013 plan.

It feels like this was turned into Chapters late in development.

It feels like these gimics were also added on late in development.

And it feels like all this is delaying, dragging out, and bogging down what could've been a good story for reasons beyond my comprehension.



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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:16 PM

Hydra just said he was busy?

 

I mean,they may have had the plot ready by 2013, but writing the actual stories themselves take time and approval from higher ups.


 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:17 PM

I've always thought that the Maximal logo was some kind of stylized sabre-toothed cat.


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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:20 PM

I mean, I can talk from some experience here-things require re-writes, couple of different drafts, and if you're lucky, by the second or third draft it's approved. And art requires time as well.


 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:22 PM

Hydra just said he was busy?

 

I mean,they may have had the plot ready by 2013, but writing the actual stories themselves take time and approval from higher ups.

 

Which, if you read my post, was not my point.

 

My point was, even assuming everything you said was true, why take additional time to delay doing bonus features and gimics, especially if there's a final full-stop deadline for all Fun Pub material?
 



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Posted 26 November 2016 - 04:11 PM

This story was ten pages of the cast walking from one setting to a second setting, only to be told they needed to go to a third setting for the next chapter. That was the entire "plot"...

 

...A whole lot of effort was put into making that S.T.A.R.S. homage and the file cards as a bonus feature, when the audience is more than a little worried that the actual story won't even get finished on time.

 

Ah, I see. I misunderstood your point completely then. I will say this--Andrew is the one writing the story. Most of the S.T.A.R.S. stuff was (I believe) done up by Jesse and myself. So it hasn't really taken away time from the story itself. Also, as a creative person, sometimes you have to do what you're inspired to do. That may not be what you, as a reader, want, but sometimes the only way forward is laterally. 

 

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 07:25 PM

Well then, I can appreciate it if the "bonus materials" were being done by other contributors instead of the main creative team.

 

I still question doing a survey on what the upcoming content should be so close to (what I assume is) a drop-dead deadline for final releases by the end of the year. But who knows -- the Choose-Your-Own-Adventure element may end up having a negligible effect on the next chapter, so it can be almost done even before the results come in.



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Posted 26 November 2016 - 07:31 PM

Maybe it's to help the author? 8 characters is a lot to juggle around.


 

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