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@  Pennpenn : (20 November 2017 - 04:53 AM)

Yeah yeah, giant spiders. Look up the Great Emu War of the 1920s for instances of Australia trying to defeat it's wildlife and failing miserably.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 November 2017 - 03:41 AM)

Australia is still fighting their war on Giant Spiders.

@  Pennpenn : (20 November 2017 - 01:58 AM)

The queue is pretty long, and I don't think Australia is going anywhere any time soon.

@  Locoman : (19 November 2017 - 10:59 PM)

Welcome to the "political crisis" queue, here's your ticket.

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2017 - 10:20 PM)

Complicated lengthy coalition talks just failed.

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2017 - 10:20 PM)

Oh boy. Germany is in a political crisis.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 November 2017 - 01:25 PM)

I could handle going back to not existing. x.x;

@  Bass X0 : (19 November 2017 - 01:14 PM)

Life is the brief recess we get from not existing before going back to not existing.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 November 2017 - 01:10 PM)

Nah.. Life is simply the precursor to death.

@  Bass X0 : (19 November 2017 - 12:41 PM)

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 09:26 PM)

ALL HAIL THE BLESSED OCTOBUTT.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.


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#1 Autobot Bubbs

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 08:59 PM

Hey all.  Found Skyrim at Wal-mart.  Wonderin if any of y'all have any tips for a noob who's yet to unwrap it?

I'd really like to know how to mine 4 fish.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:06 PM

Did you get the PC version?

 

If not, return it immediately. If you like the game mods will expand its lifetime at least tenfold, if not more.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:12 PM

360 version with all the DLC.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:18 PM

I guess I'm assuming you have a computer good enough to run Skyrim, so if not I apologize.

 

I only suggest returning it in favor of the PC version because you said it was unopened, and, as I said before, in addition to the DLC you'd have access to a wide array of additional content through modding.

 

The PC version and all its DLC is available on Steam for forty bucks, IDK if that's more or less than what you played.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:24 PM

And, if you can't, the default version isn't that bad.  Not as horrifically wonky as Oblivion.

 

Just... save.  Save a lot. 'cause it's a Bethesda game and there will be bugs.  Terrible, terrible, game-breaking bugs.  And on console, I don't think there's anything you can do about it.  On PC, you can bring up the dev command line and possibly force a resolution to a broken quest, but I don't think there are dev options on console.

 

Another bonus to the Steam version is that you get integration with the Steam Workshop which will handle installing and updating mods for you, so that's nice, though you may still want to use an external mod manager.



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

If I was going to put games on my PC, I would have goten Fallout-4.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:28 PM

Eh, well, then yeah, save and save a lot then.

 

Hopefully one day Bethesda won't get away with releasing broken, unfinished games. =/


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:47 PM

I played it on PS3 and enjoyed it despite it not being meant for that console. Personally, I'd wait for the rerelease on next-gen consoles coming out next month if you can't afford a PC - you'll be able to get some select mods.



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 10:48 PM

The best advice I could give would be to not piss Shield-Maiden Matilda off go back in time and tell yourself to buy the substantially prettier upgraded version of the same game that comes out next month. Unless your console of choice is the PS4, since that version won't have mod support. If gaming value at a lower price is your primary draw here, then disregard.

 

But really, just enjoy! Mods are great and give you more stuff, but you don't need them to enjoy the game. Skyrim is a big place. If you find a distraction along the way, see where it takes you. Get the house in Whiterun, since you will need a place to dump off your stuff when your inventory is overburdened.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:02 AM

If operating on 360, then sadly you cannot Mine 4 Fish.

 

As for general tips:

 

Don't trust Dalphnie

 

Skyrim kind of demands you learn a ranged skill of some kind.

 

Specialize, don't generalize. Spreading your points out early will lead to a more frustrating middle experience. Try to focus on three perk trees to start with, then branch out as you go along.

 

Since you're not on PC, keep in mind that making your skills "Legendary" will allow you to push your physical level up higher

 

Alchemy is a handy skill to have, since the alchemists in game barely stock any healing potions themselves.

 

Lockpicking and Speechcraft are dud perk trees and there's literally no reason to ever put a point in either

 

Unlike Oblivion, Daedra are rare this game. Even the Princes' quests are well and subtlety hidden in a majority of cases. As a result, expect any Daedra you do run across to give you a fight to remember.

 

Do not participate in the Giants' Space Program.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:09 AM

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

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That's a good thing, right?

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:51 AM

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

 

When you hit Level 10, it may be beneficial to at least begin the Dawnguard quest chain. You'll get fast access to Crossbows, which are slower firing then regular bows, but ignore 50% of enemy's armor. Unfortunately, without PC mods, bolts for said crossbow will be rare on the ground.

 


*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=15

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=16

That's a good thing, right?

 

Unf...City of Heroes feels. *Pours one out*

 

As for trees - depends on your character. You've got one handed and two handed perk trees. Also Light or Heavy armor perk trees. Third one is up to you - magic or crafting. Just be careful with early game crafting - it'll push your level up, which can increase the enemy power you come across and your combat skills can lag behind.

 

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

 

Mhm. Plus, without mods, you won't find yourself buried in hundreds of pounds of alchemic ingredients in short order.

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

 

This is Skyrim. "Tongues" means something radically different. The dialogue system has no checks to worry about, and in due time you'll be swimming in more stuff then a merchant can buy anyway, so there's no sense in the barter perks. As for lockpicking - you can pick a Master lock from the start of the game, so if you're good at the minigame there's no reason to dump points in that tree.

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

Trust me, the Daedric missions are the exception. They come out of nowhere, and can seriously change the mood of the game.
 

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!

 

Ironically, Valve made this for Skyrim:

 


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:34 PM

Magic is kind of handicapped in the vanilla version. It's workable, but gets badly frustrating in mid game. It's entirely possible to go "battle mage", but you basically require the enchanting skill tree to make the most of it, specifically, you need to enchant the gear you use to buff your stats and regens. I usually end up rolling an archer/ninja, cause I enjoy (wayyyy too much.) killing folks at the end of their perceptual limits and watching them kind of ignoring the fact that their friends are literally dropping dead next to them.



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Posted 27 September 2016 - 10:39 AM

If operating on 360, then sadly you cannot Mine 4 Fish.

 

As for general tips:

 

Don't trust Dalphnie

And for the love of Talos,

Spoiler


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:25 PM

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 10:35 AM

 

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

 

When you hit Level 10, it may be beneficial to at least begin the Dawnguard quest chain. You'll get fast access to Crossbows, which are slower firing then regular bows, but ignore 50% of enemy's armor. Unfortunately, without PC mods, bolts for said crossbow will be rare on the ground.

 

 


*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=15

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=16

That's a good thing, right?

 

Unf...City of Heroes feels. *Pours one out*

 

As for trees - depends on your character. You've got one handed and two handed perk trees. Also Light or Heavy armor perk trees. Third one is up to you - magic or crafting. Just be careful with early game crafting - it'll push your level up, which can increase the enemy power you come across and your combat skills can lag behind.

 

 

 

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

 

Mhm. Plus, without mods, you won't find yourself buried in hundreds of pounds of alchemic ingredients in short order.
 

 

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

 

This is Skyrim. "Tongues" means something radically different. The dialogue system has no checks to worry about, and in due time you'll be swimming in more stuff then a merchant can buy anyway, so there's no sense in the barter perks. As for lockpicking - you can pick a Master lock from the start of the game, so if you're good at the minigame there's no reason to dump points in that tree.
 

 

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

Trust me, the Daedric missions are the exception. They come out of nowhere, and can seriously change the mood of the game.
 

 

 

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!

 

Ironically, Valve made this for Skyrim:

 

 

All the good stuff seems to have drawbacks....

Mal... Two-handed, Light-armor, Magic.  Niki... One handed, Heavy Armor, Crafting.  Guy at work told me how one can grind up their blacksmith skills by making daggers.... and then make a scat ton of coin selling them.  Or just, y'know, stabbing ppl with 'em.  I assume that's the kind of Grinding you refer to?  Kind of like with CoH when you could re-run the sewer mission and end up at Lvl-24, bypassing all the missions, and have no idea what to do next.

Being overencumbered sucks.

Kewl.  Does kind of annoy that you needs to allocate points to lockpick to get to the good stuff in Fallout.

I shall take your word for it.

Sweetness!  XD


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 04:25 PM


Guy at work told me how one can grind up their blacksmith skills by making daggers.... and then make a scat ton of coin selling them.  Or just, y'know, stabbing ppl with 'em.  I assume that's the kind of Grinding you refer to?  Kind of like with CoH when you could re-run the sewer mission and end up at Lvl-24, bypassing all the missions, and have no idea what to do next.

 

Yeah, except in Skyrim's case, you grind out Iron Daggers, get a bunch of levels, step outside and find yourself face to snout with an Ancient Dragon, and you have less then 50 points in any combat skill.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 08:08 PM

Yeah, you need to grind a handful of levels on blacksmith, then let it sit while you go raid some dungeons and enchant some equipment. Or just go wander around, even in vanilla there's enough creatures and bandits spawning that you should get a healthy work out walking halfway across skyrim.



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

I can see how that would be a problem....


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 07:28 AM

Which is why PC users modded the game. Between "immersive patrols" and "Immersive creatures" you can't swing a greatsword without hitting SOMETHING, and just walking to the next way point sees all kinds of bandits, bears and monsters. Hell, Immersive creatures will randomly spawn ore elementals when you go mining. If you live through the encounter, you end up with a lot more resources than you hoped for.





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