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@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 08:59 PM

Hey all.  Found Skyrim at Wal-mart.  Wonderin if any of y'all have any tips for a noob who's yet to unwrap it?

I'd really like to know how to mine 4 fish.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:06 PM

Did you get the PC version?

 

If not, return it immediately. If you like the game mods will expand its lifetime at least tenfold, if not more.



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:12 PM

360 version with all the DLC.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:18 PM

I guess I'm assuming you have a computer good enough to run Skyrim, so if not I apologize.

 

I only suggest returning it in favor of the PC version because you said it was unopened, and, as I said before, in addition to the DLC you'd have access to a wide array of additional content through modding.

 

The PC version and all its DLC is available on Steam for forty bucks, IDK if that's more or less than what you played.



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:24 PM

And, if you can't, the default version isn't that bad.  Not as horrifically wonky as Oblivion.

 

Just... save.  Save a lot. 'cause it's a Bethesda game and there will be bugs.  Terrible, terrible, game-breaking bugs.  And on console, I don't think there's anything you can do about it.  On PC, you can bring up the dev command line and possibly force a resolution to a broken quest, but I don't think there are dev options on console.

 

Another bonus to the Steam version is that you get integration with the Steam Workshop which will handle installing and updating mods for you, so that's nice, though you may still want to use an external mod manager.



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

If I was going to put games on my PC, I would have goten Fallout-4.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:28 PM

Eh, well, then yeah, save and save a lot then.

 

Hopefully one day Bethesda won't get away with releasing broken, unfinished games. =/



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:47 PM

I played it on PS3 and enjoyed it despite it not being meant for that console. Personally, I'd wait for the rerelease on next-gen consoles coming out next month if you can't afford a PC - you'll be able to get some select mods.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 10:48 PM

The best advice I could give would be to not piss Shield-Maiden Matilda off go back in time and tell yourself to buy the substantially prettier upgraded version of the same game that comes out next month. Unless your console of choice is the PS4, since that version won't have mod support. If gaming value at a lower price is your primary draw here, then disregard.

 

But really, just enjoy! Mods are great and give you more stuff, but you don't need them to enjoy the game. Skyrim is a big place. If you find a distraction along the way, see where it takes you. Get the house in Whiterun, since you will need a place to dump off your stuff when your inventory is overburdened.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:02 AM

If operating on 360, then sadly you cannot Mine 4 Fish.

 

As for general tips:

 

Don't trust Dalphnie

 

Skyrim kind of demands you learn a ranged skill of some kind.

 

Specialize, don't generalize. Spreading your points out early will lead to a more frustrating middle experience. Try to focus on three perk trees to start with, then branch out as you go along.

 

Since you're not on PC, keep in mind that making your skills "Legendary" will allow you to push your physical level up higher

 

Alchemy is a handy skill to have, since the alchemists in game barely stock any healing potions themselves.

 

Lockpicking and Speechcraft are dud perk trees and there's literally no reason to ever put a point in either

 

Unlike Oblivion, Daedra are rare this game. Even the Princes' quests are well and subtlety hidden in a majority of cases. As a result, expect any Daedra you do run across to give you a fight to remember.

 

Do not participate in the Giants' Space Program.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:09 AM

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=15

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That's a good thing, right?

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:51 AM

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

 

When you hit Level 10, it may be beneficial to at least begin the Dawnguard quest chain. You'll get fast access to Crossbows, which are slower firing then regular bows, but ignore 50% of enemy's armor. Unfortunately, without PC mods, bolts for said crossbow will be rare on the ground.

 


*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=15

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=16

That's a good thing, right?

 

Unf...City of Heroes feels. *Pours one out*

 

As for trees - depends on your character. You've got one handed and two handed perk trees. Also Light or Heavy armor perk trees. Third one is up to you - magic or crafting. Just be careful with early game crafting - it'll push your level up, which can increase the enemy power you come across and your combat skills can lag behind.

 

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

 

Mhm. Plus, without mods, you won't find yourself buried in hundreds of pounds of alchemic ingredients in short order.

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

 

This is Skyrim. "Tongues" means something radically different. The dialogue system has no checks to worry about, and in due time you'll be swimming in more stuff then a merchant can buy anyway, so there's no sense in the barter perks. As for lockpicking - you can pick a Master lock from the start of the game, so if you're good at the minigame there's no reason to dump points in that tree.

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

Trust me, the Daedric missions are the exception. They come out of nowhere, and can seriously change the mood of the game.
 

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!

 

Ironically, Valve made this for Skyrim:

 


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:34 PM

Magic is kind of handicapped in the vanilla version. It's workable, but gets badly frustrating in mid game. It's entirely possible to go "battle mage", but you basically require the enchanting skill tree to make the most of it, specifically, you need to enchant the gear you use to buff your stats and regens. I usually end up rolling an archer/ninja, cause I enjoy (wayyyy too much.) killing folks at the end of their perceptual limits and watching them kind of ignoring the fact that their friends are literally dropping dead next to them.



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Posted 27 September 2016 - 10:39 AM

If operating on 360, then sadly you cannot Mine 4 Fish.

 

As for general tips:

 

Don't trust Dalphnie

And for the love of Talos,

Spoiler


Edited by ShadowMan024, 27 September 2016 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:25 PM

Spoiler


Edited by The Doctor Who, 27 September 2016 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 10:35 AM

 

*nod*  Range is always good.  When working on my Ninja in Fallout, I never gave up on firearms.  Keeping my Varmint Rifle and Weathered 10 mil, both with silencers, in my inventory.

 

When you hit Level 10, it may be beneficial to at least begin the Dawnguard quest chain. You'll get fast access to Crossbows, which are slower firing then regular bows, but ignore 50% of enemy's armor. Unfortunately, without PC mods, bolts for said crossbow will be rare on the ground.

 

 


*nod* alrighty.  Any trees I should keep my eye on?  Like with CoH and Fallout, I'm naturally going to tweak some existing OC's to base my peoples off of.

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=15

http://autobubbs.dev.../57075324&qo=16

That's a good thing, right?

 

Unf...City of Heroes feels. *Pours one out*

 

As for trees - depends on your character. You've got one handed and two handed perk trees. Also Light or Heavy armor perk trees. Third one is up to you - magic or crafting. Just be careful with early game crafting - it'll push your level up, which can increase the enemy power you come across and your combat skills can lag behind.

 

 

 

*nods* Why I like keeping a high survival in Fallout.  Better to cook it yourself that buy it.

 

Mhm. Plus, without mods, you won't find yourself buried in hundreds of pounds of alchemic ingredients in short order.
 

 

Really?  Nothing good to be had in treasure chests and silver tongues?

 

This is Skyrim. "Tongues" means something radically different. The dialogue system has no checks to worry about, and in due time you'll be swimming in more stuff then a merchant can buy anyway, so there's no sense in the barter perks. As for lockpicking - you can pick a Master lock from the start of the game, so if you're good at the minigame there's no reason to dump points in that tree.
 

 

From the way it sounds, it may be a GOOD thing I don't run into them.  As long as I don't find the Dragon/Lich/Bear combo that I witnessed that one time.  Also... HATE hidden missions.  X(

 

Trust me, the Daedric missions are the exception. They come out of nowhere, and can seriously change the mood of the game.
 

 

 

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!

 

Ironically, Valve made this for Skyrim:

 

 

All the good stuff seems to have drawbacks....

Mal... Two-handed, Light-armor, Magic.  Niki... One handed, Heavy Armor, Crafting.  Guy at work told me how one can grind up their blacksmith skills by making daggers.... and then make a scat ton of coin selling them.  Or just, y'know, stabbing ppl with 'em.  I assume that's the kind of Grinding you refer to?  Kind of like with CoH when you could re-run the sewer mission and end up at Lvl-24, bypassing all the missions, and have no idea what to do next.

Being overencumbered sucks.

Kewl.  Does kind of annoy that you needs to allocate points to lockpick to get to the good stuff in Fallout.

I shall take your word for it.

Sweetness!  XD


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 04:25 PM


Guy at work told me how one can grind up their blacksmith skills by making daggers.... and then make a scat ton of coin selling them.  Or just, y'know, stabbing ppl with 'em.  I assume that's the kind of Grinding you refer to?  Kind of like with CoH when you could re-run the sewer mission and end up at Lvl-24, bypassing all the missions, and have no idea what to do next.

 

Yeah, except in Skyrim's case, you grind out Iron Daggers, get a bunch of levels, step outside and find yourself face to snout with an Ancient Dragon, and you have less then 50 points in any combat skill.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 08:08 PM

Yeah, you need to grind a handful of levels on blacksmith, then let it sit while you go raid some dungeons and enchant some equipment. Or just go wander around, even in vanilla there's enough creatures and bandits spawning that you should get a healthy work out walking halfway across skyrim.



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

I can see how that would be a problem....


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 07:28 AM

Which is why PC users modded the game. Between "immersive patrols" and "Immersive creatures" you can't swing a greatsword without hitting SOMETHING, and just walking to the next way point sees all kinds of bandits, bears and monsters. Hell, Immersive creatures will randomly spawn ore elementals when you go mining. If you live through the encounter, you end up with a lot more resources than you hoped for.





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