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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 08:13 PM

Stranger things 1. A+

Strangers things 2. A- (or b+ if I'm being sour)

Strangers things 3. A+++

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 12:47 AM


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Posted 08 August 2019 - 06:53 AM

Remember that they wanted people to think that Eleven wasn't going to be in season 2 at first.


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Posted 08 August 2019 - 04:08 PM


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 02:39 AM

being in the season doesn't exclude him from being dead, or from being not the guy in russia...


any evidence for or against a thing happening after a cliffhanger is only speculative until it isn't.


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Posted 15 August 2019 - 11:40 PM

Don't feel bad, because there was a lot of discussion about that very possibility on Usenet at the time. If I'm remembering correctly, a lot of the speculation revolved around the fact that, supposedly, Patrick Stewart's contract was up for renewal.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:34 PM

I didn't notice Mike being much of a dick in S1 and 2 honestly, but he absolutely was at points in S3. I mostly chalked it up to him becoming a teen.

-ZacWilliam, I wonder how long they will keep it going with these kids (cause eventually they won't BE teens) and if they'll eventually bring in more new kids at Erica's age...

This. Hopper wasn't perfect, but he was very much in the right. His daughter and her boyfriend weren't following the rules of his house, were lying to him, and blatantly laughed at him. You don't strip power away like that from a man in his own home. It was cathartic when he finally balled up and told Mike how it was gonna be. Nobody should take that much shit from mouthy kids. I liked Mike before, but he was a total asshole until El dumped him.

(And if anyone makes the "They're adolescent so Dad shouldn't get in the way of their carnal pleasures" argument, you're a sick bastard who shouldn't have children.)

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 02:52 PM

Well, I'll give Mike half a break for being an asshole since he was an adolescent. Everyone has there asshole moments when they're adolescences. That's why we were given parents to whap on on the heads and ground us when we got too far out of line.

Mike was just being an adolescent. Hopper was right to reign him in. It's part of life.

It's actually a lot of what I like about this show. No ones 100% good, but few are 100% assholes either.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 03:31 PM

I feel like I've missed something with the Mike being an asshole stuff. I always thought he was a good kid in seasons 1 and 2, but he seemed like a different character here, just to give Elle a reason plotwise to dump him I guess. I thought hopper was out of line, maybe I need to rewatch.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 05:38 AM

Yeah, he's much more of an asshole in S3 - to everyone, not just Hop - but sometimes that happens when you become a teenager. Not to say that excuses anything, you still need to treat your friends well, and you still need to obey the hell out of your girlfriend's guardians, because they still have a duty to their daughter, and because it's their house and you should always treat your host with respect. And all of that is before you get into psychic powers and monsters and government coverups. Hop went somewhat overboard in how he reacted, but you can't blame him for reacting.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 07:43 AM

I like all the sentiments here! 


I honestly don't remember Mike coming off as an asshole at all in the first two seasons, but I am not detail oriented either, so I may have missed it. I couldn't remember if Hopper told Mike to stay away completely or to just reign it in, but I do agree he could have done the scary daddy routine without completely separating them. Nothing wrong with death threats to an assy teen, though. Teenagerism is definitely the excuse, but it still had to be dealt with. I get trying to get away with the door closed and a girl in your room...I pulled that one often enough and got yelled at just as often...but at her house with her dad RIGHT THERE blatantly spelling out rules? Yeah, that's why Hopper went as far as he did. He was having a seriously hard time finding balance between keeping his "daughter" happy and maintaining some order. You can really see him learning to parent here as that's a thing we all struggle with with our kids.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:32 AM

Hopper also had his first kid die and his life fall apart. He's raising Eleven "off the books" in a shitty shack in the woods. Not the sort of man against whom you should blatantly disrespect boundaries and control.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 09:36 AM

Yep. And I like his "Be careful," in the last episode, basically amounting to, "I let you live, so don't waste it."

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 06:32 AM

I definitely didn't do my math wrong.  Watching Back to the Future in the theater definitely pins the date at July 4, 1985.  So that Ultra Magnus was an error.


I watched the last 2 episodes last night.  At one point, I thought "This music really sounds like the stuff from Back to the Future" and then remembered in a moment that it was because the scene was set in the room where Back to the Future was playing.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:05 AM

Well in season 1 they were playing "I wear my sunglasses at night" and the song hadn't yet been release.


It's one of those things were you can't get too bogged down with the time frame details.  Not to the point of Goldbergs, but still.


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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:23 AM

Well in season 1 they were playing "I wear my sunglasses at night" and the song hadn't yet been release.


It's one of those things were you can't get too bogged down with the time frame details.  Not to the point of Goldbergs, but still.


It just breaks away the immersion for me.  They went to a lot of trouble to get things right to leave a couple of things there that could be checked in a few seconds.  How many 70s and 80s model cars did they use?  The clothing?  Showing us Back to the Future on its real opening weekend.


I'm not saying they are garbage, but I'm disappointed.  They could have used Omega Supreme there.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:34 AM

While I am not saying that you are wrong, because it sounds like you are not, there is a way to reconcile it. They could have re-released the film the following year. They used to do that all the time back in the 80s. Heck, I saw return of the Jedi in theaters years after it came out.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 12:47 PM

According to Box Office Mojo, BTTF was in theaters for 37 weeks - until March of '86. Still not the right time, but closer. :D


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Posted 25 September 2019 - 06:02 PM

Who loved that Neverending Story sequence?

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:24 PM

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