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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#201 Destron D-69

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 01:29 AM

it wasn't the best place to start Hopper off this season that's for sure... but it was a very human place so I can forgive it for that.  understanding of course that it might not sit right with everyone ... especially in a situation like you describe Corvus.

 

However, being at least a step back from it I could look at it as the narrative device it was and say "well" that's slightly uncomfortable behavior from a 'hero' character... now let's see where they go with it. 

 

to be fair to Hopper though. Mike has always been a bit of a dick  



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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:17 AM

To be fair, Mike is the DM. Being a bit of a dick is one of the position requirements. 😉
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 10:14 AM


I didn't notice Mike being much of a dick in S1 and 2 honestly, but he absolutely was at points in S3. I mostly chalked it up to him becoming a teen.

-ZacWilliam, I wonder how long they will keep it going with these kids (cause eventually they won't BE teens) and if they'll eventually bring in more new kids at Erica's age...
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 10:24 AM

Mike has always been a little asshole. Season 3 was peak assholery.
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 11:05 AM

Yeah no. I give the character of Hopper a lot of credit for not snatching Mike off the bed and throwing him bodily out of the house. Hopper does have his problems with the macho BS, but as we learn, he really did sit down and try to approach the conversation from an understanding and accepting view point - with the intent to explain his feelings. El and Mike (being teens) were rude and unkind in their response to his halting attempt and it took a lot of self-control for Jim to NOT get physical. And Mike has always been a bit of a prick. He's made numerous wrong-calls thinking he's smarter than the rest (it doesn't help that the actor has a real Martin Shkreli Backpfeifengesicht). There was blame to go around. That's one of the good things about this show though, I've felt most of the characters are fairly real, warts and all. And they do grow.

 

In the end, my chief complaint about this season was it felt more self-aware. Where the first especially, and the second a bit less felt like "adventure shows that were made in the eighties", this felt much more like "a show made today that remembers the eighties". It got a bit Goldbergsian at points which was distracting.


 
 
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 12:23 PM

I don't give credit for people restraining themselves from getting needlessly physical with children, because that's what you're supposed to do.

Anyway, thanks Destron. I appreciate your response.

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 05:41 PM

Fair enough, and it's not my intent to lessen your experiences. My apologies.


 
 
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Posted 22 July 2019 - 09:14 PM

Nearly on par with season 1, better than season 2.

Loved all of it.

The scene with Will not being interested does not read as him being gay, it reads as him still being stuck in there younger days of being interested in DnD instead of romantic relationships be they heterosexual or homosexual. The bulk of his character this season is built around his friends being more interested in romantic relationships than there friendship. The scene around the destruction of Fort byeres and the focus on character sketches DnD mags etc reinforces this. The conclusion of this arc is him non begrudgingly giving up his stuff to the donation box, and the other kids making it clear that while DnD isn't everything to them anymore, it's still something they care about and have time for.

While this could later be recontexualized as his delayed interest in romantic relationships being influenced by him questioning or wrestling with his sexuality, as presented it's a character arc of not letting go of childhood.
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Posted 05 August 2019 - 02:45 PM

*sits down calmly and rationally*

I'll try and read up on the rest of this topic in a bit. But right now I must say something...

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*deep breath*

All I can say is that it's a good thing I don't know what to say at the moment, because I don't think much of it would get through the swear filters. I will say this much though.

Season 1: True horror...probably the best season

Season 2: I think it's really impossible for a horror movie/show to have a sequel that's equally horrific as the first. Alien had to become more action than horror with Aliens. Nightmare on Elmstreet II was nowhere near as good as the first and then it just went downhill from there. I think a part of it is just the fact that after the first, you know the rules. You know what the monster is, where it comes from, more or less what makes it tick and how it can be defeated. They did a decent job here introducing the Mind Flayer and making it even worse than the Demogorgon. And I really did like Season 2...except for episode 7...but let's just pretend that didn't happen and move on. It was a decent sequel. But even with the Mind Flayer, it just didn't hold quite the same terror as the first season.

Season 3: I don't know. It just seemed more self-aware than the other seasons. The balance between comedy and horror just seemed to a bit too skewed towards comedy. I mean, I'm supposed to be scared when the Steve and Robin are being interrogated by the Russians, but I'm laughing my ass off because I guess drugged people are funny. Oh...yeah...mother...hugging...Russians! I honestly found them more threatening than the Mind Flayer.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I did enjoy the hell out of it. There were some legit scares. And the series as a whole is total love. It's just...damn! There are bitter-sweet endings and then there's just bitter!

I think I need a moment alone.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:39 AM

Oh yeah, season 3 is totally comedy. Especially the SONG, haha

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:21 PM

the SONG


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:56 PM


Honestly everyone I watched with ranked that as the best or near best moment of the season. The juxtaposition between the moment and the situation was kind of the point.


-ZacWilliam, ST had always been a swirl of 80s kids adventure, action and horror and there were definite moments this season where the former two were stronger than the latter, but I don't think the show was weaker for that.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 01:05 PM

Well, don't get me wrong. I absolutely enjoyed this season. So far, even the weak moments of ST are still enjoyable. I'm not going to say Season 3 is weak. Not really. It's just slightly weaker than season 1&2 IMO.

I kinda noticed the same thing with Evil Dead. The first movie was horror/camp leaning more towards horror. The second movie had a bit more of a mix. The third was almost straight dark comedy.

It kinda feels the same here. Not that it's bad in any way. I just find myself preferring the more horror-centric first season.
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Posted 07 August 2019 - 10:12 AM

I'm okay with the series evolving... not all of steven king's books are scary in the same way... so it fits the conceit that the show wobbles around scary and funny... its a tension / release duality 

 

the song was perfect in this regard... tense moment .. comedy... and then "WHAM" now we have to deal with 

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 12:50 PM

But probably not actually.
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Posted 07 August 2019 - 02:02 PM

maybe



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Posted 07 August 2019 - 02:30 PM

I just finished the season. Spoilers:

 

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 05:46 PM

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 05:50 PM

the stinger is about 11's father, not her dad 



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Posted 07 August 2019 - 07:33 PM

I think its framed to make you wonder exactly which way it is.
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