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@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

I'm genuinely amused/impressed, even if it wasn't intentional.

@  Benbot : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

That's a lot of shouting

@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:37 PM)

Wow, Bass, your post took up the entire Shoutbox exactly without being over/under a line.

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 March 2017 - 02:36 PM)

The best Marvel issue is, was, and always will be Decepticon Graffiti. The Battlechargers are awesome.

@  Bass X0 : (01 March 2017 - 02:27 PM)

ReGeneration was criticised for being too slow paced and drawn out way too long, yet the Decepticon leaders are introduced and dispatched just to tick the box that they made an appearance. I also preferred the single stand alone stories from the original Marvel comics instead of each issue having like four different plots running through it, which didn't make for satisfying reading IMO. If a writer is writing for a trade, don't release individual issues. I also thought the artwork was poor - before, the Marvel comics tried to have the best artwork they could at the time, whereas now they were intentionally limiting themselves to appear "retro", and it shows. The pacing was the worst though, some characters just stand around doing nothing to progress their part of the story, like Shockwave's segments. In contrast, compare any six consecutive issues from the Marvel comics and a whole lot more happens than in RG1. Furman also fell into his pattern of wasting space world building and pointless scenes when the story had to end at #100.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:10 PM)

Even then, Furman's material never really had a huge toy-push aspect to it, other than "here's new character!"

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:09 PM)

Considering it was a wrap-up for a story whose toyline had ended anyway, I feel like it worked out well enough. I mean, the last major iteration did play an important part in things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:04 PM)

New comics didn't need to shill any toys at all...so there wasn't any push to do weird and different things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:03 PM)

The big problem is that stuff like the old comics were produced under the idea of shilling toys...which ultimately resulted in a lot of the weirdness people remember

@  Rycochet : (01 March 2017 - 02:01 PM)

He was hired to write an exercise in nostalgia and that's what he produced.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 01:38 PM)

Speaking of Marvel, finally read the rest of ReGeneration One, thanks to a Comixology sale. I... don't understand the hate.

@  lastmaximal : (28 February 2017 - 09:09 PM)

Works for some, not all. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trademark

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 08:57 PM)

Yeah, making it "Autobot X" seems to be their way of getting around many of those issues with overly generic terms

@  Rycochet : (28 February 2017 - 08:41 PM)

Hasbro would just call the toys Marvel's Thunderstrike or Autobot/Decepticon Thunderstrike.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 08:19 PM)

D.C. owns Bumblebee and they've made toys of her, so if a Mattel licensee can share names with a TF...

@  Telly : (28 February 2017 - 07:42 PM)

doesnt marvel own that? i know theyve got the comic character, not sure about the name for toys though. there ever been a thunderstrike figure? would it even be in the same area as a tf name?

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:38 PM)

You know, "Thunderstrike" would actually be a pretty kickass TF name! Surprised it's never been used!

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:27 PM)

Thunderstruck.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:25 PM)

How about Thunderblust? http://gatherer.wiza...iverseid=157411

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:23 PM)

Or Shockburninator, who turns into a satellite and a dragon.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Burninationblastatron

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

It's Thunderblast, but she turns into a wingaling dragon instead of "transforming" into a boat.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Thunderburninator.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:20 PM)

You need to get "blast" in there somewhere

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 11:26 AM)

THATCH-ROOF COTTAGEEEEEEEEES

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2017 - 03:06 AM)

Only if the packaging looks like a thatch-roofed cottage.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 09:27 PM)

They need to make a dragonbot named "Burninatron."

@  BlackMax : (27 February 2017 - 09:15 PM)

I find upcoming Last Knght's Steelbane sexy. A very Skyrim name for a giant robot who is also a dragon? Be still my heart.

@  MEDdMI : (27 February 2017 - 06:24 PM)

I never found most Hollywood heartthrobs sexy, even if they were around my age. I think I knew even back then that the char they play doesn't reflect how the actor really looks/behaves.

@  Rycochet : (27 February 2017 - 06:11 PM)

The only thing I've seen with Megan Fox in is the Jonah Hex movie... She was bad, but everyone and everything was bad.

@  RichardT1977 : (27 February 2017 - 05:53 PM)

Modern western culture, ladies and gentlemen...

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:50 PM)

Ha! You can't fool a true Z-block afficionado like me! That's actually an S-block viewed from behind!

@  The Doctor Who : (27 February 2017 - 04:36 PM)

*unveils a Tetris Z-Block in moody lighting* Not at aaaaall?

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:27 PM)

That would be silly.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Because I definitely wasn't. Nope. Not at all.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Am I the only straight male Nintendo fan who was never strangely aroused by the Tetris Z-block?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:28 PM)

Her acting makes her come across as a living Pat Lee illustration.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:27 PM)

No. No, you're not.

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 01:26 PM)

And am I the only straight male Transformers fan who never found Megan Fox attractive?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:21 PM)

Especially since she's the same age as my parents.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:19 PM)

It's like I instinctually knew that by the time I watched the movies, it'd be weird since IRL she was way older than me.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:18 PM)

Am I, like, the only straight male Star Wars fan who never had a thing for Leia?

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 12:44 PM)

Call the police!

@  Paladin : (27 February 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Kubo got robbed. TWICE.

@  Lazy Garou : (27 February 2017 - 08:10 AM)

god! Thrawn is awesome.he's got super detective skills!

@  Telly : (27 February 2017 - 01:10 AM)

i didnt. not until '83 anyway :thumbsup

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 01:00 AM)

Yeah, that was a hard one to take. So many nerds from '77 on must've grown up having a crush on her

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:34 AM)

I mean, I knew it was coming, but just hearing Carrie say "May the Force be with you" hurt :(

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:32 AM)

They always save the saddest deaths for last in the "in memoriam" sequence.

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 12:30 AM)

I am glad they made the right choice with Best Animated, even if it was a tough call this year.


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#21 Sockie

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:28 PM

As far as I understand it...they actually do own these characters.  From what little I remember reading about this, Archie never actually had any of these writers sign a work-for-hire contract.  Without that, technically all these comic-only characters from that era are the rightful property of their creators...unless they are deemed derivative.  Of course, somehow, "evil Sonic" was deemed not derivative and I guess Penders has a right to him, so who even knows.
 
Common sense and legal right are often in direct conflict with each other.
 
Of course, if this gets the comic killed off...or even if they decide to make the Mega Drive books the new "real" continuity...I'm going to be mad.  Ian just got done trying to rebuild this universe, it be a shame to let all that just be a waste.


They did have them sign work-for-hire contracts. It's just that those contracts were thrown out by a warehouse worker while in storage, and the photocopies that Archie has aren't eligible in court.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:04 PM

So, we're looking at the combination of scumbag legal tactics and incompetent record keeping?



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 02:28 AM

Of course, if this gets the comic killed off...or even if they decide to make the Mega Drive books the new "real" continuity...I'm going to be mad.  Ian just got done trying to rebuild this universe, it be a shame to let all that just be a waste.  

 

But why would this affect the current storylines. None of the characters mentioned in this lawsuit have anything to do with the current world.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 09:46 AM

 

Of course, if this gets the comic killed off...or even if they decide to make the Mega Drive books the new "real" continuity...I'm going to be mad.  Ian just got done trying to rebuild this universe, it be a shame to let all that just be a waste.  

 

But why would this affect the current storylines. None of the characters mentioned in this lawsuit have anything to do with the current world.

 

"Sued into Sega revoking the license" affects the current world pretty deeply.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:16 AM

Yes, but not in any way that could possibly lead to "Mega Drive becoming the new "real" continuity". I'm not even sure where that came from.

That said, I would LOVE a Mega Drive style ongoing if possible...


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#26 Daith

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:24 AM

It is one thing if SEGA were to pull away but that's not what I was talking about. As it stands the only thing this should effect is the sales of back issues and collections of older material. But as I said it really shouldn't effect the current world since none of Fulop's characters are in the new revamped world.


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#27 ShadowMan024

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:48 AM

Fulop was totally put up to this by Penders just to troll Archie.


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#28 Razorsaw

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:29 PM

Penders said he didn't have anything to do with it.

Considering these lawsuits are expensive and Fulop either formed or joined a company in order to manage/utilize his copyrights, I reaaaally doubt he's doing this in a lark.

It's ill advised but not a lark.

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:16 PM

Eh, my thought about Mega Drive becoming the "new" continuity was just my own baseless speculation.  

 

Sega probably wouldn't want to get rid of the comics completely, since it makes them a steady, predictable stream of cash.  They probably need that right now.  Sega has also shown a desire to make the comics more like the games in the past, as well as trying to get more hands on with the comic at times.  Archie also got rid of all the old comic only characters last time they had a big lawsuit, even ones made by Ian, like Shard and Thrash.  I could see this new lawsuit being the straw that broke the comics back, creatively.  If Sega insisted on the comic only using characters from the games, or even only doing stricter adaptations than what the Unleashed adaptation has turned out to be...I could see the higher ups deciding to just scrap the whole thing and start over from scratch.  Nostalgia appeal, new #1 sales boost, and all.

 

After all, even though Sega should own all these new comic characters and tv show characters now, they're not really characters that the main branch of Sega likes to use.  Sega proper doesn't really seem to be interested in expanding things to much beyond the Adventures characters, barring the odd one shot characters for each game, like Chip.

 

Plus...With Shattered World wrapping up everything the comics done for the last three years or so and Mega Drive feeling kind of retcon-y and like a different universe anyway...There are less organic ways they could do it, if they had to.

 

Like I said, baseless speculation.


Edited by Zaku Prime, 04 August 2016 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 10:15 AM

I'm not sure how Mega Drive can be considered "retcon-y and like a different universe" when it literally is a totally different thing that only takes into account Sonic 1-S&K and Sonic CD with zero ties to anything else.


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:35 PM

I guess I just assumed it was canon to the main comic, but I don't think they ever said anything one way or the other to that effect, did they?

 

EDIT: In my defense, the recap page does say it takes place in the "Sonic Comic Universe", unlike the Boom comics.  Still, yeah, could just be intended to be a different universe.


Edited by Zaku Prime, 05 August 2016 - 06:47 PM.


#32 Razorsaw

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:38 PM

There's nothing that says it is or isn't.

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 08:09 AM

Jon Gray has left Archie and thus my interest is gone with him.


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 11:49 AM

Oh, shit. Looks like the end's in sight, guys...


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 12:29 PM

I hope that man festers in the mediocrity he made for himself forever.


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 12:36 PM

That's AWFUL! The last Sonic I read was with the mystic cave but it can't be cancelled! What's been happening?

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:37 PM

Well...nuts.  I didn't think they'd go THAT far! (And, yeah, I'm Zaku Prime.  Had to make a new account when Kalidor killed the younglings purged the "inactive" protoform accounts.)

 

Isn't Sonic still one of their better selling comics?  I mean, maybe Sega took it out of their hands, or maybe Archie is going ALL in on their reboots, but still.  

 

I'm...shocked.  I don't know if I'll really believe it until Ian Flynn says something about it...if he's allowed to.  This comic's been around ever since I was a kid collecting comics.  This...huh.

 

Hopefully, Ian can pull something off for the ending.  I'm not sure what could be satisfying, though.

 

Geez, what a way to "celebrate" the comic's 25th anniversary.

 

Well...maybe we'll finally get the Lost Hedgehog Tales this year, then?  That might be a...somewhat bright spot.



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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:38 PM

Lost Hedgehog tales?

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:44 PM

It's a thing Ian Flynn...said he would be doing on his blog.  Basically, explaining what he was originally planning for the Sonic comic before the Penders reboot up to issue...300, I think he's said.  He just has a "prologue" with what had been going on with the comic before the changed story arcs up now, though.  He's said he had to put it on hold because of the other lawsuits that popped up after Penders.

 

It's here:

 

http://bumbleking.co...hedgehog-tales/

 

Not much there, but hopefully, we'll get something later on.


Edited by ZakuConvoy, 17 January 2017 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 10:14 PM

Well...nuts.  I didn't think they'd go THAT far! (And, yeah, I'm Zaku Prime.  Had to make a new account when Kalidor killed the younglings purged the "inactive" protoform accounts.)

 

Isn't Sonic still one of their better selling comics?  I mean, maybe Sega took it out of their hands, or maybe Archie is going ALL in on their reboots, but still.  

 

I'm...shocked.  I don't know if I'll really believe it until Ian Flynn says something about it...if he's allowed to.  This comic's been around ever since I was a kid collecting comics.  This...huh.

 

Hopefully, Ian can pull something off for the ending.  I'm not sure what could be satisfying, though.

 

Geez, what a way to "celebrate" the comic's 25th anniversary.

 

Well...maybe we'll finally get the Lost Hedgehog Tales this year, then?  That might be a...somewhat bright spot.

 

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