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@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

I'm genuinely amused/impressed, even if it wasn't intentional.

@  Benbot : (01 March 2017 - 02:38 PM)

That's a lot of shouting

@  MEDdMI : (01 March 2017 - 02:37 PM)

Wow, Bass, your post took up the entire Shoutbox exactly without being over/under a line.

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 March 2017 - 02:36 PM)

The best Marvel issue is, was, and always will be Decepticon Graffiti. The Battlechargers are awesome.

@  Bass X0 : (01 March 2017 - 02:27 PM)

ReGeneration was criticised for being too slow paced and drawn out way too long, yet the Decepticon leaders are introduced and dispatched just to tick the box that they made an appearance. I also preferred the single stand alone stories from the original Marvel comics instead of each issue having like four different plots running through it, which didn't make for satisfying reading IMO. If a writer is writing for a trade, don't release individual issues. I also thought the artwork was poor - before, the Marvel comics tried to have the best artwork they could at the time, whereas now they were intentionally limiting themselves to appear "retro", and it shows. The pacing was the worst though, some characters just stand around doing nothing to progress their part of the story, like Shockwave's segments. In contrast, compare any six consecutive issues from the Marvel comics and a whole lot more happens than in RG1. Furman also fell into his pattern of wasting space world building and pointless scenes when the story had to end at #100.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:10 PM)

Even then, Furman's material never really had a huge toy-push aspect to it, other than "here's new character!"

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 02:09 PM)

Considering it was a wrap-up for a story whose toyline had ended anyway, I feel like it worked out well enough. I mean, the last major iteration did play an important part in things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:04 PM)

New comics didn't need to shill any toys at all...so there wasn't any push to do weird and different things.

@  Steevy Maximus : (01 March 2017 - 02:03 PM)

The big problem is that stuff like the old comics were produced under the idea of shilling toys...which ultimately resulted in a lot of the weirdness people remember

@  Rycochet : (01 March 2017 - 02:01 PM)

He was hired to write an exercise in nostalgia and that's what he produced.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (01 March 2017 - 01:38 PM)

Speaking of Marvel, finally read the rest of ReGeneration One, thanks to a Comixology sale. I... don't understand the hate.

@  lastmaximal : (28 February 2017 - 09:09 PM)

Works for some, not all. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trademark

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 08:57 PM)

Yeah, making it "Autobot X" seems to be their way of getting around many of those issues with overly generic terms

@  Rycochet : (28 February 2017 - 08:41 PM)

Hasbro would just call the toys Marvel's Thunderstrike or Autobot/Decepticon Thunderstrike.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 08:19 PM)

D.C. owns Bumblebee and they've made toys of her, so if a Mattel licensee can share names with a TF...

@  Telly : (28 February 2017 - 07:42 PM)

doesnt marvel own that? i know theyve got the comic character, not sure about the name for toys though. there ever been a thunderstrike figure? would it even be in the same area as a tf name?

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:38 PM)

You know, "Thunderstrike" would actually be a pretty kickass TF name! Surprised it's never been used!

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:27 PM)

Thunderstruck.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:25 PM)

How about Thunderblust? http://gatherer.wiza...iverseid=157411

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:23 PM)

Or Shockburninator, who turns into a satellite and a dragon.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Burninationblastatron

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

It's Thunderblast, but she turns into a wingaling dragon instead of "transforming" into a boat.

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 07:22 PM)

Thunderburninator.

@  Waspinator : (28 February 2017 - 07:20 PM)

You need to get "blast" in there somewhere

@  ShadowMan024 : (28 February 2017 - 11:26 AM)

THATCH-ROOF COTTAGEEEEEEEEES

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2017 - 03:06 AM)

Only if the packaging looks like a thatch-roofed cottage.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 09:27 PM)

They need to make a dragonbot named "Burninatron."

@  BlackMax : (27 February 2017 - 09:15 PM)

I find upcoming Last Knght's Steelbane sexy. A very Skyrim name for a giant robot who is also a dragon? Be still my heart.

@  MEDdMI : (27 February 2017 - 06:24 PM)

I never found most Hollywood heartthrobs sexy, even if they were around my age. I think I knew even back then that the char they play doesn't reflect how the actor really looks/behaves.

@  Rycochet : (27 February 2017 - 06:11 PM)

The only thing I've seen with Megan Fox in is the Jonah Hex movie... She was bad, but everyone and everything was bad.

@  RichardT1977 : (27 February 2017 - 05:53 PM)

Modern western culture, ladies and gentlemen...

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:50 PM)

Ha! You can't fool a true Z-block afficionado like me! That's actually an S-block viewed from behind!

@  The Doctor Who : (27 February 2017 - 04:36 PM)

*unveils a Tetris Z-Block in moody lighting* Not at aaaaall?

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:27 PM)

That would be silly.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Because I definitely wasn't. Nope. Not at all.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 February 2017 - 04:26 PM)

Am I the only straight male Nintendo fan who was never strangely aroused by the Tetris Z-block?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:28 PM)

Her acting makes her come across as a living Pat Lee illustration.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:27 PM)

No. No, you're not.

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 01:26 PM)

And am I the only straight male Transformers fan who never found Megan Fox attractive?

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:21 PM)

Especially since she's the same age as my parents.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:19 PM)

It's like I instinctually knew that by the time I watched the movies, it'd be weird since IRL she was way older than me.

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 01:18 PM)

Am I, like, the only straight male Star Wars fan who never had a thing for Leia?

@  Bass X0 : (27 February 2017 - 12:44 PM)

Call the police!

@  Paladin : (27 February 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Kubo got robbed. TWICE.

@  Lazy Garou : (27 February 2017 - 08:10 AM)

god! Thrawn is awesome.he's got super detective skills!

@  Telly : (27 February 2017 - 01:10 AM)

i didnt. not until '83 anyway :thumbsup

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 01:00 AM)

Yeah, that was a hard one to take. So many nerds from '77 on must've grown up having a crush on her

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:34 AM)

I mean, I knew it was coming, but just hearing Carrie say "May the Force be with you" hurt :(

@  ShadowMan024 : (27 February 2017 - 12:32 AM)

They always save the saddest deaths for last in the "in memoriam" sequence.

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 February 2017 - 12:30 AM)

I am glad they made the right choice with Best Animated, even if it was a tough call this year.


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#1 Broadside

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 10:29 AM

http://www.tssznews....ment-in-comics/

Scott Fulop, this time. Creator of such enduring characters as Mammoth Mogul and Sergeant Simian, and friend of Ken Penders.
Given how hard Archie had to fight to not get their license stripped in the last lawsuit, this might be the end for the Sonic comics... and probably Archie, too, given how much they're struggling.
Sigh.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 10:38 AM

Argh...  Just survive long enough to complete Sonic Mega Drive and I'll buy you the finest cemetery plot.

 

Also, mandatory "Ken Penders is a douchebag" line here.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:04 AM

`"LEAVE SONIC ALONE! :( :( :(

 

 

So did Archie just tick off all it's furry writers years back? Sure seems like it's people from the post Endgame era or right around that time..


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:08 AM

I think they're just hacks who are suing for money they were never promised because they can't get work anywhere else.
Well, Fulop is, anyway. Penders is a hack who genuinely believes he's a genius and visionary who deserves to own these characters. Including the original Sonic ones.

Edited by Broadside, 03 August 2016 - 03:03 PM.

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#5 Razorsaw

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:21 AM

I think we need to sit and wait here before we call this the end of the comic.

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The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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#6 Broadside

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:33 AM

Well, yeah, obviously. It's entirely possible that the entire thing will be thrown out, since he waited this long to make a claim on it. But it's possible.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:35 AM

It'd best not affect Archie Proper.  If Afterlife with Archie is compromised over some yiffy bullshit I'mma be pissed.


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#8 Razorsaw

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:40 AM

The thread title is also inaccurate. This isn't over ownership of the characters. Archie has already abandoned the use of these characters and Fulop is the only one making a claim of ownership. This is about the past works in which they appeared.


"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:52 AM

I'm not sure how it's inaccurate. They're still getting sued for selling comics with these characters in (digital comics and reprints).

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#10 Razorsaw

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:55 AM

It just sounds like it's being framed as another battle for ownership of characters themselves. *shrugs*


"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:57 AM

I think they're just hacks who are suing for money they were never promised because they can't get work anywhere else.
Well, Fulop is, anyway. Furman's a hack who genuinely believes he's a genius and visionary who deserves to own these characters. Including the original Sonic ones.


Furman?

This just bites. I liked the Fearsome Foursome under Flynn's pen. Man, I hope Sonic doesn't fold like Megaman.

Btw, there's been no new issues of Afterlife with Archie since 7 or 8?

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:58 AM

Furman's a hack who genuinely believes he's a genius and visionary who deserves to own these characters. Including the original Sonic ones.


Furman?

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 12:03 PM

Yes. Furman. That is exactly who I meant. Ken Furman, creator of Sonic characters like Evil Grimlock.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 12:53 PM

So these people believe that characters they created while working on someone else's property for the purpose of being used in that property somehow belong to them? 

 

Really? 


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 01:45 PM

SuING AS usual, I see?


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 01:46 PM

No. Bad.

 

Go to your room and think about what you've done.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 01:50 PM

Furman's a hack who genuinely believes he's a genius and visionary 

 

Finally! Someone agrees with me! Too bad this is a Sonic thread :p


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 02:53 PM

No. Bad.

 

Go to your room and think about what you've done.

The possibility of the Sonic comic being cancelled because of one of some Penders-esque shenanigans is punishment enough >=V


Edited by ShadowMan024, 03 August 2016 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 03:22 PM

No. Bad.

 

Go to your room and think about what you've done.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:18 PM

As far as I understand it...they actually do own these characters.  From what little I remember reading about this, Archie never actually had any of these writers sign a work-for-hire contract.  Without that, technically all these comic-only characters from that era are the rightful property of their creators...unless they are deemed derivative.  Of course, somehow, "evil Sonic" was deemed not derivative and I guess Penders has a right to him, so who even knows.

 

Common sense and legal right are often in direct conflict with each other.

 

Of course, if this gets the comic killed off...or even if they decide to make the Mega Drive books the new "real" continuity...I'm going to be mad.  Ian just got done trying to rebuild this universe, it be a shame to let all that just be a waste.  


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