Sorry but I think that's bunk. I don't know your brothers, I don't know what kind of people they are. You can assure me til the day is long that they're great people who are completely trustworthy and therefore their words have weight, but I also know from knowing you, that you're a pretty hardcore authoritarian. I love you anyway, but I have to assume members of your family are likely to hold similar views.
I trust Rhinox's words because I know him, and from what I know of you I'm not sure I can trust that you, or your brothers, would find any level of force to be excessive.
Well I did say that I thought holding her hands high, which is meant to cause pain in an effort to more easily move someone, was probably too much. So I do think you can see that I do find some things excessive.
I can't speak for my brothers being or not being authoritarian or even what you might mean by that. I do believe in being a good citizen and in following police instruction when under normal circumstances, as this was since she was pulled over for speeding. I believe civil law enforcement is necessary to have a less chaotic society. But I do believe that a truly free society means one that doesn't favor. I don't know if that makes me authoritarian or not.
I also believe that the police have a right to expect you to follow simple instruction in order to insure their safety. Laws are on the books that require we comply with these instructions. This guy took step by step action that is by the book in that regard as far as my brothers were able to see in the video, with the exception of the arm thing.
#1. Get them to return to the car.
#2. If you can't, detain them to make it more difficult to run and/or retrieve a weapon.
This didn't have to be a thing had she gotten back into her car and closed the car door as per the calm request of the officer. There has to be recognition of that. It was her actions, or rather refusal to act according to instruction, that escalated the situation, not the cops.
Edited by Bainreese, 23 July 2016 - 04:21 PM.