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[Bainreese]

We have a lot of different threads on police action.  I thought it might be a good idea to consolidate it all instead of having a new thread to talk about each new video that surfaces.  So here is something to start this off.

 

Forgive me as sometimes imbedding doesn't go so well for me.

https://www.facebook...90526257707093/

 

So there are a couple of things with this video.

 

#1.  The police action during her arrest was understandable.  Why?  When being pulled over you never get out of the car.  It is considered an aggressive and threatening action for the officer.  He keeps his calm and simply asks her to get back in the car and close the car door.  She was pulled over for speeding.  This is a request for HIS safety.  A person in the car is less likely to run and/or put the officers life in danger.  She refuses.  He then attempt to put her in cuffs and she refuses.  You can see her fighting against him.  If an officer wants to put you in cuffs to avoid flight and/or possible hostility(It doesn't matter whether you are white black female male skinny fat, you can threaten that officers life....then you comply.  This was a simple speeding ticket until she started refusing to do as the officer asked.  Every action he took was completely within the code of conduct of an officer.

#2.  His comments in the car were completely inappropriate, wrong, and racist.  They unfortunately color the entire exchange and the entire video because of it.  And because of his remarks I think he should be fired.  Because you don't put someone who has that kind of viewpoint in a position of responsibility to protect people when half the people he's meant to protect he feels are going to be more violent toward him.

Edited by Bainreese, 22 July 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[StarSaber]

His comments were inappropriate but shouldn't cost him his career. From his experience, he may have believed his statement to be statistically true.

No one was injured. I think sensitivity training would probably suffice.

The next time? Suspension and even more sensitivity classes.

-SS (Third time? He's either gone or reassigned to Evidence Clerk.)

[StarSaber]

Here's an interesting cop-stop.

https://m.facebook.c...if&notif_t=like

-SS (someone's living in 1781..)

[M Virion]

His comments were inappropriate but shouldn't cost him his career.

 

His comments indicate a racist streak, or willingness to espouse/believe racist ideals. He can have any other career her wants, but shouldn't have one where he has to interact with various minorities as a person of authority, and especially not an armed person of authority. 

 

Fire him out of a cannon.

 

From his experience, he may have believed his statement to be statistically true.

 

I'm sure most racists believe what they say, yes.

[StarSaber]

So no second chances for a cop who made rather questionable remarks but didn't shoot anyone?

You don't think sensitivity training would make a difference? Show him that his fears are unfounded and give him a chance for change? He's completely incorrigible and should be tossed without hesitation?

See, I can't agree with that. It's one thing to fire a cop for using excessive force and even THEN they usually get a mark on their record and a second chance. He didn't even use a racial slur. He made a comment based on either personal experience or facts he believed to be true. The comment could certainly be seen as racist but that doesn't mean the person making it is. If it becomes a recurring pattern of behavior, sure. Then you might be able to make that assumption.

I just don't think this is deserving of "one strike, you're out". I'll give him credit for answering an honest question with an honest answer.

-SS (he should think before he speaks though.)

[M Virion]

A pattern of behavior in a situation like this is potentially going to get an innocent person killed.

 

I said this to a Trump supporter earlier who claimed I shouldn't be afraid of the RNC's anti-homosexual platform since they won't /really/ get enacted, and I'll say it now.

 

It's much easier to call the gun fake when you're not the one being aimed at. I'm not willing to take that risk with the lives of my fellow citizens.

[StarSaber]

I agree.

One time does not a pattern make however.

You're saying you don't want to take the risk before it's reached that stage. You're just pre-judging someone based on a single instance and assuming a pattern will emerge given enough time so it's best for everyone to just fire them over something they may or may not do in the future...without giving them the opportunity to learn from their mistake and correct their behavior.

-SS (Zero tolerance=zero reform)

[Shadowmask]

There should be zero tolerance, no warnings, immediate firing for racist cops. The fact that, as things stand, excessive force doesn't lead to immediate firing is disgusting. Excessive force should lead to immediate firing and immediate incarceration: no second chances. Also, police officers fired from one department should be barred from joining another law enforcement agency. Remember, Tamir Rice's murderer was hired by the Cleveland PD after he was fired from the suburban Independence, OH force. It's like the Catholic Church shuffling around pederast priests.

[M Virion]

And next time it'll be "He's a good guy, it's just a mistake" again and again and again until eventually he kills someone. That's the real pattern. People making continued excuses for bigotry and violence.

 

This is a man with a gun and the authority to stop anyone he chooses, backed up by police unions and brotherhoods who are willing to cover for, as history has shown, damn near any action he commits. You're damn right I want zero tolerance for racists in that situation. 

[Wheelimus]

If we were talking about being demoted to a desk job that might be slightly different. Since we're talking about a job where you get to carry a gun and fire it without approval it kind of has to be one strike and you're racist.

 

I get the sentiment, I want to be for some can't we all get along dream where a racist cop goes through a year long reeducation and then goes back to their job not to kill anyone. But as is we know 9 times out of 10 that "sensitivity training" would be watching a 30 minute Youtube video and signing a promise not to do it again. And then nothing changes. And since we're being told to go fuck ourselves asking for accountability on the whole murdering people epidemic I'm in no hurry to hand cops more leeway or more rope. At some point you have to stop giving rope if you realize the other person isn't getting enough to hang themselves but is hanging everyone who looks at them funny.

[StarSaber]

Really? No comments on the "good" cop link I posted above with the cray-cray passenger citing the Articles of Confederation and claiming that she's a "Free Inhabitant" - not a U.S. citizen - so our laws don't apply to her?

That cop deserves a medal for exhibiting inhuman patience and calmness with that "person".

-SS (it was from March but I never saw it referenced before today.)

[M Virion]

I'm not in the habit of handing out medals for doing your job and not shooting people. I don't get a raise everytime I remember to clock in on time, you don't get a round of applause each time you realize "No. I shouldn't unload a clip into this person." 

Edited by Ms Virion, 22 July 2016 - 09:16 PM.

[The Doctor Who]

Yeah, sorry, not being a jerk doesn't get a reward.

[Wheelimus]

Hmm, I'm sorry, is my Allspark experience dropping posts? I'm missing all these instances where anyone said that cops never encounter unreasonable idiots in their line of duty. That happens all the time. The problem is that cops seem to only unjustly murder the black drivers. All those idiot white ones, no matter how drunk they are or how much they swear they're sober and going to sue you and so on, get the courtesy of going to jail alive.

[StarSaber]

"And next time it'll be "He's a good guy, it's just a mistake" again and again and again until eventually he kills someone."

You don't know that there will be a next time. You're making an assumption based on a single instance and an even bigger one that "eventually" he'll kill someone when AFAIK there's absolutely zero evidence of that. You just don't want to give anyone the benefit of the doubt because they "might" kill some innocent person someday based on an unsupportive comment. You might as well fire cops who draw their weapons but never fire them based on that logic.

"But as is we know 9 times out of 10 that "sensitivity training" would be watching a 30 minute Youtube video and signing a promise not to do it again"

Is that all it consists of??
I thought it was much more intensive than that. "Law & Order" and "Blue Bloods" both portrayed it as something lasting weeks or even months and quite effective in most cases.

I know it's television but both shows use professional consultants to keep procedures as accurate as possible.

-SS (maybe NYPD is just a better outfit than most.)

[M Virion]

-SS (maybe NYPD is just a better outfit than most.)

 

[Wheelimus]

The fact that Killer Mike says he can walk the streets of Atlanta and not fear dying doesn't mean the same can be said about Macon.

[StarSaber]

I'm not in the habit of handing out medals for doing your job and not shooting people. I don't get a raise everytime I remember to clock in on time, you don't get a round of applause each time you realize "No. I shouldn't unload a clip into this person." 

I wasn't praising that. Naturally, he shouldn't shoot in this situation. I was complimenting his incredible calmness and patience with a rather unruly and uncooperative suspect who seemed to be going out of her way to harass the officer while filming him.

Of course, I don't expect a cop in that situation to get violent or eescalate things but I wouldn't have objected if he raised his voice or arrested her for noncompliance the first time.

Instead, he rationally and calmly explained to her what was happening, why she and the driver were being detained, what she could and could not do, why her assertions were wrong, and gave her multiple warnings (which she ignored) before finally arresting her.

He even told her she could continue to record him but not to point anything at him. All fair and reasonable requests and behaviors on his part even though she could've been high as far as he knew. She certainly acted as if she might be.

I think he did more than "just his job". He was incredibly cool throughout the entire encounter and didn't lose his temper. In situations like this, that's a rare thing indeed.

We need more cops like him.

-SS (most cops would've cuffed her after the first instance of obstruction and called it a day.)

[M Virion]

Sorry, but what he did is what I expect a police officer to to do. That it's rare is a testament to how badly our police forces need fixed.

 

Plus, lets be honest, he was probably too busy trying not to bust a gut laughing. Sovereign Citizens are hilariously clueless.

Edited by Ms Virion, 22 July 2016 - 10:00 PM.

[StarSaber]

Hmm, I'm sorry, is my Allspark experience dropping posts? I'm missing all these instances where anyone said that cops never encounter unreasonable idiots in their line of duty. That happens all the time.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that this thread was for "appropriate police action videos" as well and not just for stories about murdering cops.

I thought the video was humorous and assumed others might as well.

-SS (I guess I misread the thread title. My bad.)

Edited by StarSaber, 22 July 2016 - 10:04 PM.