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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#3301 Vexwing

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

Off to merge Firebolt and Shaoshao Li's Wiki pages.  ;)  :D  :p


:D  Bwahaha

As much as I feel Kiss Players is something best forgotten, making her JG1 Firebolt is awesome and hilarious.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:07 PM

 

Off to merge Firebolt and Shaoshao Li's Wiki pages.  ;)  :D  :p


:D  Bwahaha

As much as I feel Kiss Players is something best forgotten, making her JG1 Firebolt is awesome and hilarious.

 

I want to say that in JG1 continuity, G.I. Joe was a precursor to the EDC? As "Firebolt" is already Fireflight's JG1 name, Li Shaoshao as "Firebolt" is especially fitting in the grand tradition of elite operative humans sharing codenames with Cybertronian names.


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 29 September 2017 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:22 PM

...Shit, now I want to see an IDW version of Shaoshao Li as GI Joe member Firebolt.

Treated with actual dignity, of course.

 

e: Okay, no, I looked at her wiki page and remembered just how awful Kiss Players was. I changed my mind.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:28 PM

...Shit, now I want to see an IDW version of Shaoshao Li as GI Joe member Firebolt.

Treated with actual dignity, of course.

 

e: Okay, no, I looked at her wiki page and remembered just how awful Kiss Players was. I changed my mind.

I'd be all for her being used. Heck, if there's one thing the Lost Light could use, it's a human. Make her a Earth liason to the Knights expedition.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

That'd require LL to acknowledge other books.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

I'm not really sure I get the first bit? It's a spot-on Guidi AHM Kup, bar the biceps and midsection which are different because of the TF scheme. Everyone who's drawn that design, mostly Guidi and Roche, has drawn it with square forearms.

I just don't know how to point out the obvious wrongness of this thing you persist in saying over and over without being an asshole. I'm going to succeed in one of those goals today, dammit. It's driving me batty. 
 
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Edited by Copper Bezel, 29 September 2017 - 01:32 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

...Shit, now I want to see an IDW version of Shaoshao Li as GI Joe member Firebolt.
Treated with actual dignity, of course.

 
Jim and I did a short pseudo-version of that with Li Shaoshao, Qian Zilong, and Cancer!



Hmmm. Firebolt, Talon, and Cancer. That sounds nice.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:33 PM

I think slightly different shapes of the arms really don't change the fact its based off that design.



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:34 PM

No one has ever in the history of life contested that someone thought they were making an AHM Kup.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 29 September 2017 - 01:34 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

I'm not really sure I get the first bit? It's a spot-on Guidi AHM Kup, bar the biceps and midsection which are different because of the TF scheme. Everyone who's drawn that design, mostly Guidi and Roche, has drawn it with square forearms.

I just don't know how to point out the obvious wrongness of this thing you persist in saying over and over without being an asshole. I'm going to succeed in one of those goals today, dammit. It's driving me batty.


I mean, I'd already talked about how the biceps were different, and I guess I just don't see the slightly different angular shapes for the shoulders and forearms as being statistically significant? Especially when the differences are there for the transformation?

TR Kup's arms could have a more dynamic shape, sure, and it would indeed make for a better robot mode, but there's a very specific reason that they don't - making the vehicle roof a clean box - and I just don't have an issue with that kind of concession, I guess. To pick another example, TR Rewind has super-chunky forearms compared to the MTMTE design it's based on, but again, I don't particularly mind because it's there to make the transformation work, y'know?

Edited by Jalaguy, 29 September 2017 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:11 PM

 

...Shit, now I want to see an IDW version of Shaoshao Li as GI Joe member Firebolt.
Treated with actual dignity, of course.

 
Jim and I did a short pseudo-version of that with Li Shaoshao, Qian Zilong, and Cancer!



Hmmm. Firebolt, Talon, and Cancer. That sounds nice.

 

 

Speaking of which, what was that exo-suit meant to be? The Skywatch crash suits, the PLA Mecha Force mechs, Transtectors...?


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:24 PM

 

 

...Shit, now I want to see an IDW version of Shaoshao Li as GI Joe member Firebolt.
Treated with actual dignity, of course.

 
Jim and I did a short pseudo-version of that with Li Shaoshao, Qian Zilong, and Cancer!



Hmmm. Firebolt, Talon, and Cancer. That sounds nice.

 

Speaking of which, what was that exo-suit meant to be? The Skywatch crash suits, the PLA Mecha Force mechs, Transtectors...?

 

When I wrote my draft I was envisioning a take on the TFTM exosuits.



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:26 PM

The new Kup headsculpt is odd. Looking at it in a vacuum, just next to the Hasbro sculpt, I prefer Hasbro's. But when you put them on their respective bodies, Hasbro's is so much... less? It's like Hasbro's is just some guy that's kind of Kup-ish, maybe a young and inexperienced Kup, but Takara's is actually Kup.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:52 PM

I mean, I'd already talked about how the biceps were different, and I guess I just don't see the slightly different angular shapes for the shoulders and forearms as being statistically significant? Especially when the differences are there for the transformation?


TR Kup's arms could have a more dynamic shape, sure, and it would indeed make for a better robot mode, but there's a very specific reason that they don't - making the vehicle roof a clean box - and I just don't have an issue with that kind of concession, I guess. To pick another example, TR Rewind has super-chunky forearms compared to the MTMTE design it's based on, but again, I don't particularly mind because it's there to make the transformation work, y'know?

No, you're doing Guidi's design a horrible disservice by using it to justify the Play Doh Factory arms on that embarrassment of a toy, and it needs to stop. In rough description, any human arm is a cylinder, but Vin Diesel and Ethan Siegal do not have similar arms.

 

Edit: You could make an AHM-derived Kup and give him completely different arms, maybe because transformation or maybe because because, and that would be fine, but you're talking specifically about the arm profile here and trying to equate things that do not equate.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 29 September 2017 - 02:54 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:57 PM

anyway TR Kup still has an ugly face

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 02:57 PM

Yeah there's that too. Clockwork Yoda is an odd choice but I can understand it. The jarhead thing is just ... so ugh.


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Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 03:23 PM

TR has a very strange quality curve for faces, with Kup, Perceptor, and Orion Pax being in a very odd category.  Pax photographs well, at least, but looks pretty odd in person when you realize just how strangely high up on his face his pouty mouth is exactly.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 03:37 PM

I mean, I'd already talked about how the biceps were different, and I guess I just don't see the slightly different angular shapes for the shoulders and forearms as being statistically significant? Especially when the differences are there for the transformation?

TR Kup's arms could have a more dynamic shape, sure, and it would indeed make for a better robot mode, but there's a very specific reason that they don't - making the vehicle roof a clean box - and I just don't have an issue with that kind of concession, I guess. To pick another example, TR Rewind has super-chunky forearms compared to the MTMTE design it's based on, but again, I don't particularly mind because it's there to make the transformation work, y'know?

No, you're doing Guidi's design a horrible disservice by using it to justify the Play Doh Factory arms on that embarrassment of a toy, and it needs to stop. In rough description, any human arm is a cylinder, but Vin Diesel and Ethan Siegal do not have similar arms.
 
Edit: You could make an AHM-derived Kup and give him completely different arms, maybe because transformation or maybe because because, and that would be fine, but you're talking specifically about the arm profile here and trying to equate things that do not equate.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 03:42 PM

TR has a very strange quality curve for faces, with Kup, Perceptor, and Orion Pax being in a very odd category.  Pax photographs well, at least, but looks pretty odd in person when you realize just how strangely high up on his face his pouty mouth is exactly.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 03:52 PM

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