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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 09:40 PM

I don't really see the problem with Chear, especially the face. But that may be because I think Kup looks like he smelled a fart.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 09:46 PM

Takara Kup looks great so far!


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:06 PM

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

Well I did cancel my pre order on Rod earlier tonight. Keeping Kup though. Just wish I could get the TM for my Hasbro Rod


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:37 PM

I realise this is a debate we've devoted more than enough time to in the past, but my gosh. It astounds me that anyone could look at those two Kups and think Takara's is in any way better. He's just so weird and ugly. I mean really. 

 

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I can understand preferring the rounded shoulders I guess, although Takara's execution does indeed seem to be sub-optimal there once you get further down the arm. And if you'd rather have a different deco or tweak the colours, fine. But nothing is saving that odd, creepy Takara face. Shudder. 

 

And yet I post this on Facebook and every comment is "OMG Takara's is SO MUCH BETTER".

 

So clearly the problem is me. I apologise for my unsatisfactory opinions.


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:39 PM

Well, the comparison is to the TR head, so it's unsurprising that people react that way.



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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:07 PM

The only place i've seen takara Kup's hand to forearm proportions were on patients with severe cellulitis.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:13 PM

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I can understand preferring the rounded shoulders I guess, although Takara's execution does indeed seem to be sub-optimal there once you get further down the arm. And if you'd rather have a different deco or tweak the colours, fine. But nothing is saving that odd, creepy Takara face. Shudder. 
 
And yet I post this on Facebook and every comment is "OMG Takara's is SO MUCH BETTER".
 
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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:27 PM

The way the mouth is shaped is what throws it off for me. Also there's something about the positioning of the eyes and forehead that only looks decent viewed head-on (heh) but iffy from any other angle.



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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:32 PM

The only place i've seen takara Kup's hand to forearm proportions were on patients with severe cellulitis.


Do you mean length or thickness? Because the former should be about the same to Hasbro's version.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:39 PM

Thickness

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:42 PM

As far as human anatomy goes, that's surely more normal than on Hasbro's. I mean, someone's hand in a gripping posture should be thicker and wider than their forearm rather than exactly the same.

Unless they're like, really buff.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 28 September 2017 - 11:43 PM.


#3253 Copper Bezel

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:48 PM

Yeah, it's only normal in TF that fists are shaped such that they could fit inside their corresponding forearms, based on the necessity that they often need to do so.

 

I don't think the argument is altogether that odd. Hasbro's Kup is an ugly and unfinished looking clump of boxes, with a well-executed but not particularly appealing face sculpt. TakTom's version adds some visually interesting curvy bits and puts it all in an entirely edible deco with their typically lavish paint budget, and has a well-intentioned and poorly executed face sculpt. It's really just a matter of what you're willing to forgive in a figure.

 

Personally, I don't see anything worth saving in the Hasbro version, let alone anything to actually recommend it. But a lot of his "problems" are just a fact of the line more broadly, and if if doesn't bother you more generally, eh.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 28 September 2017 - 11:49 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:56 PM

As far as human anatomy goes, that's surely more normal than on Hasbro's. I mean, someone's hand in a gripping posture should be thicker and wider than their forearm rather than exactly the same.

Unless they're like, really buff.

Not that much thicker.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:59 PM

It's still closer to human anatomy than on Hasbro Kup or even the "typical" TF arm, since you brought up the comparison.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 12:00 AM

Yeah but like

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#3257 Copper Bezel

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 12:04 AM

TF definitely has its own proportional canon, which differs from naturalistic human proportions, among other things, in having tiny heads and hands, very large feet, and generally limbs that are longer and thicker in the distal half than makes mechanical sense, let alone any biological analog. But there's a lot of variation, even if G1-styled Gens designs generally do follow those rules pretty closely in comparison to other TF lines. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 29 September 2017 - 12:04 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 12:10 AM

I just don't understand what "normal humans don't look like that" means here when regular TF proportions are more even moreso.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 12:11 AM

I just don't understand what "normal humans don't look like that" means here when regular TF proportions are even further off.

Yeah, that part is nonsense. Kup does have slightly unusual proportions for a G1 Gens Transformer, though.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 29 September 2017 - 12:11 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 12:17 AM

Yeah, it's only normal in TF that fists are shaped such that they could fit inside their corresponding forearms, based on the necessity that they often need to do so.

It's also common in Mega Man. I feel like it's sort of a not-100%-humanoid robot franchise thing in general, though I'm having some trouble thinking of more examples. I've always assumed the reason it doesn't seem weird is that the big forearms read as "sleeves."

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