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@  Stepwise : (04 March 2021 - 09:07 PM)

Wonko - I'm really sorry - I've been in that spot where everything is falling apart at the same time.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 04:49 PM)

a minivan which NOW sounds like it's on it's last legs. Christ, why is everything breaking now?!?!?

@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 02:45 PM)

He's willing, but it's our parents minivan, and I'm half the labour.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 March 2021 - 02:34 PM)

Like anything; if they're willing to haul it away it's theirs.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 12:44 PM)

And now my brother wants the old fridge, so instead of letting the delivery folk deal with it, I need to move it.

@  NovaSaber : (04 March 2021 - 11:53 AM)

I take objection to the idea that public health is "politics" just because some politicians don't listen to the experts.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:59 AM)

I was only replying to the general sentiment of the last three posts before mine.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:58 AM)

The person you replied to specifically gave the example of "limiting the amount of people in a facility".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:58 AM)

This wasn't about "lock[ing] everyone in the country down".

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:57 AM)

All I'm saying is there are lockdown and anti-lockdown people and hashing it out in the shoutbox on a toy forum is dumb.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:56 AM)

You don't have to lock everyone in the country down to mitigate risks in one population.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:56 AM)

Of course older people have it worse, but America is one of those countries where people ship their old people to homes far away from the action anyways.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:55 AM)

What ar you even trying to say, anyway? That we shouldn't complain about others increasing the danger more than necessary?

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:55 AM)

Frankly, there's a lot to say on this issue that can't be encompassed on the shoutbox and I really really don't want to have to deal with politics every single time I check the forums.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:54 AM)

To claim that this is about the people in the 20-40 range is also disingenuous.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:53 AM)

Essential workers and such are pretty fit on average which is an extra boon for them.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:51 AM)

It's not really a personal choice issue, it's a risk versus well, anything you want to do issue. Literally leaving the house results in potential exposure, mask or no. Overall, most of us who hang out here are 20-40, and our survival rate is comparable with some pretty out there statistics.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:39 AM)

Anybody who has to go out because of work or groceries or whatever can't just choose to avoid any potential disease-spreaders, for one thing.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:38 AM)

Kind of disingenuous to frame this as just a personal choice issue.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:22 AM)

This whole "I can't handle people not me having the choice to not put on masks" thing's a bit much.

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 March 2021 - 09:14 AM)

Hey, Florida is one of the most infected states, and we won't even shut down. We may use masks, but restaurants, clubs, you name it, those are still wide open. Also, what's limiting the amount of people in a facility again? :p

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 March 2021 - 08:57 PM)

Oklahoma is right there, apparently. Dang bible belt. Nice people, but not the smartest cookies I've seen.

@  Hg Dragon : (03 March 2021 - 08:52 PM)

Don't worry! COME TO TEXAS WHERE OUR IDIOT GOVENOR DECALRED THE STATE 100% OPEN AND ENDED THE MASK MANDATE!!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 04:21 PM)

Beyond just the not even being able to walk into most stores

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 04:21 PM)

No kidding, but right now: unless it's physically on the shelf in front of you: there's no clear idea when it'll be available. And that goes for just about everything.

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 04:18 PM)

I've heard new appliances are hard to get, for some reason

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 04:13 PM)

And the new one we settled on is backlogged up to two months. Even better.

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 11:59 AM)

I mean, it's not all bad. Disney's releasing Speed remastered on 4K

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 08:48 AM)

And now the fridge has died. So far 2021 has been WONDERFUL.

@  Hg Dragon : (01 March 2021 - 08:49 PM)

I'm upset I can't "Like" a shout...

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2021 - 09:39 AM)

The US election? *rimshot*

@  Paladin : (28 February 2021 - 09:19 AM)

WHICH 2016 clown panic?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 February 2021 - 07:22 AM)

Didn't that come right after the 2016 clown panic? No way to make clowns not disturbing at the time, surely.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:26 AM)

The clown guise is supposed to lure kids in, it's no good if it looks sus in one glance.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:15 AM)

The new one tries too hard to be unsettling from the start. Curry's look is just a plain old clown, until he very much is not.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:14 AM)

And Curry has a far more disturbing look at times than the newbie.

@  Sabrblade : (28 February 2021 - 02:22 AM)

And the original was a showcase of Tim Curry's delightfulness as an actor. 'Nuff said.

@  unluckiness : (27 February 2021 - 10:19 PM)

first one was a decent horror flick but the second was a mess plotwise and even the scares were worse

@  tigerhawk : (27 February 2021 - 04:57 PM)

Never understood the hype for the IT movies, too many floppy zombie chases, They're not in the least unsettling.

@  Maruten : (25 February 2021 - 06:00 PM)

It's better than the last one!

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:30 AM)

The new Wizards of the Coast logo looks stupid

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:29 AM)

It's really rather shocking watching the Investor Day presentation and seeing how much Hasbro actually owns now.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 February 2021 - 10:26 AM)

If everyone had COMMON SENSE, then things would maybe go a little better-

@  repowers : (24 February 2021 - 05:33 PM)

If everyone would just have the exact same opinions as me then we wouldn't have this problem

@  Kalidor : (24 February 2021 - 01:49 PM)

It just depends on what it is. It is preferable to take it to P&R though. But sometimes current news as it's happening is less restrictive.

@  fourteenwings : (24 February 2021 - 12:18 AM)

Huh, good point (x3)

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 February 2021 - 11:46 AM)

Yeah. 1. People treat it like Twitter. 2. There's no "take it to P&R" since there's no P&R for the Shoutbox. 3. There's similarly no way to avoid either subjects or people in the Shoutbox since there's no division and it doesn't respect the ignore function, so people end up engaging when they normally wouldn't.

@  fourteenwings : (23 February 2021 - 10:56 AM)

Is there something about the Shoutbox that just means we get politics taking over the thing at least once a week?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 February 2021 - 08:26 AM)

At least your government is willing to talk about the collapsing medicare system. In quebec, their ignoring it in favour of talking about language again! Oh, and unconstitutionally denying access to eduction.

@  Shockwave 75 : (23 February 2021 - 07:52 AM)

At least here in my home province of Ontario we have a conservative gov't who doesn't want to cuz $$$$, but the argument is that they'll end up paying in medical care anyways for those sick people so why not?


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#21 Fnu Aw

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 09:28 PM

 

There are reasons why this has to be done. We don't typically give warnings for posters turning a topic P&Ry. It just hasn't been our practice largely for the reasons I touched on above. When a topic in General discussions turns P&Ry, we just move the thread to P&R. When a topic in TFD gets P&Ry, we say "I'm sure Roberts didn't mean it that way" and try to move on.

 

I can't move the Random Thoughts from out of Nowhere thread to P&R.

 

Hm. Maybe I've missed the "P&Ry" bits? I really haven't seen a thread get like that in a while. An example or two would really be nice, although I get why you wouldn't want to give any out. = /

 

Count yourself lucky if you haven't seen it. It's happened a few times recently. Like, any time I eat dinner or go to bed. >_<  I would prefer not to dig them back up. Seeing them again is the opposite of what I want.


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 09:31 PM

Okay, in all seriousness, I just hope you use a light touch, not every philosophical debate needs to be stifled. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, and please don't think I am. But from experience trying to force Mayhem into a mold can end badly. I still blame myself for killing the original RPG by trying to enforce rules so strictly within it. 



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Posted 08 June 2016 - 09:32 PM

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 10:50 PM

Wait, so are all the posts that are too P&R gonna get replaced with cat noises?

What about other animals? There are certain species of wooly ungulates who have been criminally underrated by the general populace, I think. And while I cannot say for certain that these animals have plans to assert their dominance over the human race, I can assure you that if there were some sort of..."sheep uprising", then those who had shown those animals the proper amount of respect and recognition would be more likely to be spared a gruesome fate.

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 11:33 PM

Okay, in all seriousness, I just hope you use a light touch, not every philosophical debate needs to be stifled. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, and please don't think I am. But from experience trying to force Mayhem into a mold can end badly. I still blame myself for killing the original RPG by trying to enforce rules so strictly within it. 

I do everything with a light touch. Maybe too light at times. I worry about that.

 

What I'm trying to do here is reinforce the boundaries while acknowledging the inherent fuzziness of those boundaries. A hard ban of P&R is not possible or useful. Conversations are going to steer that way and it won't be anyone's fault. The normal enforcement tools aren't appropriate. But we do have an interest in keeping things under control. P&R has a unique ability to create tension that we do not want in Mayhem. If we could talk P&R in here without any tension, I'd be all for it. But I don't see how to achieve that.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm reminded of something a high school teacher of mine once did. Some students in my class were complaining about some teacher who was apparently a nightmare. Our teacher said he couldn't allow them to badmouth their other teachers. The students negotiated. They reached an agreement. They could complain about any teacher they wanted, but had to refer to that teacher as "M. X". They tried "Mr. X" and "Mrs. X" but that was deemed to still be too specific. So students would complain about "M.X". If they were complaining about two teachers, they'd complain about "M. X" and "M. X". It was confusing but it worked.

 

Do you guys think you could handle something like the "M. X" standard?


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 11:36 PM

We can't even handle talking about children's toys
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#28 TheMightyMollusk

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 02:17 AM

Does this mean we can't bash Grandus anymore?

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:31 AM

I'm not sure the "Mr. X" thing would work here. Like if I were complaining about a politician, even if I didn't refer to them by name, if I happen to mention some of their defining physical/political features, we'd have a pretty good idea of who I'm complaining about.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:46 AM

I think both P and R are silly wastes of time...



#31 The Doctor Who

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:05 AM

I'm not sure the "Mr. X" thing would work here. Like if I were complaining about a politician, even if I didn't refer to them by name, if I happen to mention some of their defining physical/political features, we'd have a pretty good idea of who I'm complaining about.


It's also kinda insulting. I'm not fond of pretense and double speak. Either we talk openly or just don't bring it up.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:33 AM

I'm with the Doctor on that.

 

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#33 Fnu Aw

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 10:10 AM

We can't even handle talking about children's toys

This is why I worry. I worry that if we talk P&R in here it's going to be like playing hot potato with a stick of dynamite.

 

But like I said, a hard ban isn't really enforceable and this isn't an announcement of one. If you guys want to play with dynamite, go ahead. I have no intention of stopping you. Just take note that if I see the fuse get lit I'm going to snip it immediately.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:17 PM

Egregious posts will receive warnings.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:28 PM

 

Egregious posts will receive warnings.

 

*posts egregiously*

 

You gotta know that's just a required clause he's gotta put in. If he goes and says no one's getting warnings, everyone's going to jump on it~


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:28 PM

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#37 MEDdMI

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 05:50 AM

I'm not sure if this will work, but how about if we have a dedicated thread just for P&R stuff in
Mayhem? For talking about that sort of thing, but posts that make fun of/bait/attack other posters or their beliefs being edited/removed. It'll take a lot of trust in us Mayhemers to keep it civil, it'll require a lot of monitoring, and I imagine that there'll still be light P&R talk elsewhere, but it would be nice to have a spot to talk about these things with Mayhemers without worrying about repercussions TOO much.

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 10:11 AM

That sounds like a thread I'd need to leave open 24/7 and refresh every minute.

 

So... maybe?


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Posted 10 June 2016 - 10:24 AM

Gonna be honest, that sounds like it could be a disaster in waiting.

Like, trusting each other aside, most P&R discussions even outside of here and on other places just seem to result in hurt feelings all around, even if that wasn't the intent. Also I'd rather not force Fnu to actually have to monitor that thread 24/7.

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 11:14 AM

We can't even mention TFWiki in here without feelings getting hurt. If we get openly P&R in here I fear I may never sleep again.


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