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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 January 2020 - 11:17 PM)

Twitter's revamp is so dumb. Nowadays, even when I am logged out of my account, right-clicking an image on Google Chrome won't let me access a URL to easily get the image's full size. That functionality was so useful!

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 January 2020 - 10:01 PM)

But when was the last time you saw a major retailer (since TRU) actually allot shelf space for a Transformers Titan? Or the Vintage Collection Poe X-Wing? There's clearly some sort of disparity between "girls" and "boys" toys that give companies justification to create $100+ items in the girls segment in FAR greater frequency than in boys.

@  fourteenwings : (25 January 2020 - 12:56 AM)

"how expensive they were" Tell that to L.O.L. O.M.G. and the $129 Amazing Surprise (I mean I guess when it comes to the toy aisle Power Rangers isn't a juggernaut like L.O.L.)

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:18 PM)

I think the big reason we didn't see the actual combining Zords at retail was because of how expensive they were. It would cost $100 to get enough of them to make a Megazord, $160+ if you want the Ultrazord. Or parents could just get the dang Ultrazord for $40 even if it didn't combine.

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Because they are "kids toys" not "collector toys"

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 03:27 PM)

1) I don't have Target. 2) can't go into my walmart. I'm surprised Hasbro won't sell the toys on Pulse

@  Bass X0 : (24 January 2020 - 02:43 PM)

I dreamt my phone was ringing and woke up to answer it.

@  Sabrblade : (24 January 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Lightning Collection figures, the smaller normal-sized Beast Morphers Ranger/enemy/Beast-Bot figures, the role-play morpher and weapon toys, and the simplistic non-combining megazord toys have all been very easy to find at various Targets and Walmarts. It's only been the actual combining Beast Morphers zord toys (which are bizarrely being sold individually this time) that have been hard to find in stores.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Thought I do question Hasbro's almost reluctance to have the toys available anywhere.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 01:44 PM)

i've been trying to sell mine for weeks...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I hadn't opened mine yet, but from what I've seen, the general agreement is that the Beast Morpher zords are much better than Bandais.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

I'm guessing if they're going to do anything on the level of Legacy Zords, it's being discussed behind NDAs at Toy Fair

@  Rodimus Supreme : (24 January 2020 - 10:38 AM)

Lightning Collection is good, and they're taking their sweet time on making Zords that are better than Bandai's Zords.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 10:34 AM)

So, what's the general PR fandom consensus of the Hasbro run of PR so far? I pretty much stepped out of the community after I got the Bandai Legacy zords I wanted.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 08:46 AM)

that would require someone to BUY Hasbro PR toys...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 07:17 AM)

Well hopefully see some cool PR stuff. Wish BBTS sold Hasbro PR toys.

@  fourteenwings : (24 January 2020 - 07:01 AM)

February 22nd through 25th, I feel like it was earlier last year...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 06:32 AM)

When is NY TF?

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:43 PM)

I don't know about Hasbro's general policy but I know everybody was on lockdown for Frozen II, which included both LEGO and Hasbro. Plus, I'm guessing everybody is holding off PR for NY Toy Fair? Overall, it's best to remember that Toy Fairs are for buyers, not fans.

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:41 PM)

LEGO has been doing this for ages, including sending cease and desists when outlets get leaked images.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:42 PM)

And then they ended up selling off the brand, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:41 PM)

Last time a toy brand I followed tightened down on toy fair and all the invited guests posted glowing reviews of what they saw, I ended up being disappointed as heck.

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:34 PM)

JediNews UK basically said they got a walkthrough of Lego's showcase...but were legally bound to NOT talk about anything, much less take pics.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:24 PM)

I wondered why I had seen basically nothing newsworthy from the event

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:14 PM)

Word is that Hasbro and Lego have their UK Toy Fair stuff on MAJOR lockdown. Full NDAs and everything.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 09:28 PM)

Seeing people say the $0.99 + $20 shipping item is cheaper than the $19.99 + free shipping item and getting tons of likes for it... I just don't know anymore.

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

if you havent already, y'all check your walmarts clearance aisle. i found siege six shot for $5. course, it could just be my walmart, but never hurts to look

@  Vexwing : (23 January 2020 - 07:20 PM)

Candlejack is going to need more ro

@  Patch : (23 January 2020 - 06:30 PM)

I thought you had to type out Candlejack's full name bef

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 02:46 PM)

I typed in the wrong tab.

@  Paladin : (23 January 2020 - 02:32 PM)

must've been the works of Candleja

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 02:06 PM)

looks like maximus wiped himself out mid-sentence

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 08:42 AM)

Disregard this.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2020 - 06:58 PM)

Bold of you all to assume we won't wipe ourselves out in 50 years.

@  Benbot : (22 January 2020 - 04:27 PM)

There will be no UBI, people will just live in a ditch while they celebrate owning the libs.

@  Rycochet : (22 January 2020 - 03:24 PM)

In 50 years, retail will be dead because all stores are staffless fully automated operations controlled by Amazon. The UBI will be less than a fifth of what it actually costs to live after two decades of cuts and.a steadfast refusal to match inflation.

@  Maximus Ambus : (22 January 2020 - 02:55 PM)

In fifty years retail will be a thing of the past through robots, printers and Universal Basic Income.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (21 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

Big retailers just don't want money anymore, so let's not give them any,

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:12 PM)

This place is a madhouse, feels like being cloned.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 January 2020 - 03:38 PM)

I took one step beyond the outer limits to the twilight zone.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 10:19 AM)

All retail is basically the same.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2020 - 10:00 AM)

Walmart just needs to go bankrupt already.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:19 AM)

They didn't put the 35th anniversary stuff back out until after new year. I'm no retail expert, but I feel like having stock on the shelf is better than the back. Especially toys at christmas time.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Yeah, my local walmart took away the 35th anniversary endcap weeks before Christmas and left the Transformer section empty well past Christmas.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Mine only has the 35th Anniversary Voyagers. A whole lot of them.

@  Telly : (19 January 2020 - 11:35 PM)

just be happy your walmart even stocks voyagers. mine doesnt

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 January 2020 - 08:53 PM)

Figures that Walmart finally restocks Studio Voyagers...with Wave ONE

@  ThunderWear : (19 January 2020 - 09:27 AM)

I snagged Rainmakers for half off.  They make me want jolly ranchers.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 04:21 PM)

I was using my account on another comptuer, and oddly it seemed to default to $US rather than converting it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 January 2020 - 02:02 PM)

You should be able to set eBay to display in your local currency, although personally I like to know the actual currency the item is listed in so I know if I need to account for forex fees or not


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Posted 25 May 2016 - 04:56 PM

Okay, the explanation for how two Wally Wests exist in the New 52 universe actively makes no sense if you've actually followed the New 52 Flash comics. The original ginger Wally says he's the son of Rudy West, and everyone just forgot he existed, and the new Wally is the son of Daniel West, the first New 52 Reverse Flash. Except... new Wally was the son of Rudy West. They specifically established that Daniel was his uncle, and also, Daniel would've been 10 years old when new Wally was born.

 

Chalk that up to further manipulations, like Captain Atom being around.


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 01:02 AM

 

Okay, the explanation for how two Wally Wests exist in the New 52 universe actively makes no sense if you've actually followed the New 52 Flash comics. The original ginger Wally says he's the son of Rudy West, and everyone just forgot he existed, and the new Wally is the son of Daniel West, the first New 52 Reverse Flash. Except... new Wally was the son of Rudy West. They specifically established that Daniel was his uncle, and also, Daniel would've been 10 years old when new Wally was born.

 

Chalk that up to further manipulations, like Captain Atom being around.

 

And Raven not having feathers, although she should be a bit younger, as I believe she will be in the new Teen Titans, rather than Titans book.


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 02:22 AM

Read it. It was ok, not really earth shattering anymore cuz of the spoiler. I probably would have been floored if I didn't know about the smiley button. Oh well.

So there's a black kid as Kid Flash now? If Geoff is going for diversity, why not just use Jenni Ognats XS from the Legion. I would be pretty happy if a version of her came back. And didn't Geoff create Cal Durham Kaldur Am Aqualad? Could have used him too. So who's this new gay kid who's looking at his fish tank? A new Aqualad? I can't place the Jackson name.

So Dream Girl is in the present, ok, that's the Legion connection. Geoff does great Legion stories, tho he plays with his adult Legion.

Damian is alive? Eeeeeeh.

I think Morrisson is a good comic writer but not that good for superhero comics. His X-Men run was fantastic but didn't feel like X-Men and, seriously 7 Soldiers of Victory? Wha?

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 11:13 AM

The black Wally West was introduced about two years ago by other writers who correctly guessed that any potential Wally West on the Flash TV show would be black, and they also probably assumed there were zero plans to reintroduce the original red-headed Wally West as a distinct character.



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Posted 26 May 2016 - 11:41 AM

Read it. It was ok, not really earth shattering anymore cuz of the spoiler. I probably would have been floored if I didn't know about the smiley button. Oh well.

So there's a black kid as Kid Flash now? If Geoff is going for diversity, why not just use Jenni Ognats XS from the Legion. I would be pretty happy if a version of her came back. And didn't Geoff create Cal Durham Kaldur Am Aqualad? Could have used him too. So who's this new gay kid who's looking at his fish tank? A new Aqualad? I can't place the Jackson name.

So Dream Girl is in the present, ok, that's the Legion connection. Geoff does great Legion stories, tho he plays with his adult Legion.

Damian is alive? Eeeeeeh.

I think Morrisson is a good comic writer but not that good for superhero comics. His X-Men run was fantastic but didn't feel like X-Men and, seriously 7 Soldiers of Victory? Wha?


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 12:09 PM

Read it. It was ok, not really earth shattering anymore cuz of the spoiler. I probably would have been floored if I didn't know about the smiley button. Oh well.

So there's a black kid as Kid Flash now? If Geoff is going for diversity, why not just use Jenni Ognats XS from the Legion. I would be pretty happy if a version of her came back. And didn't Geoff create Cal Durham Kaldur Am Aqualad? Could have used him too. So who's this new gay kid who's looking at his fish tank? A new Aqualad? I can't place the Jackson name.

So Dream Girl is in the present, ok, that's the Legion connection. Geoff does great Legion stories, tho he plays with his adult Legion.

Damian is alive? Eeeeeeh.

I think Morrisson is a good comic writer but not that good for superhero comics. His X-Men run was fantastic but didn't feel like X-Men and, seriously 7 Soldiers of Victory? Wha?

 

7 Soldiers, Final Crisis, and Multiversity, along with his Batman run are seriously at the top of my alltime favorite comics. Morrisons run on x-men wasn't good, ill freely admit that. But his Marvel Boy book was GREAT. I know he's an acquired taste, especially when it comes to his non-JLA DC stuff, but from 7 Soldiers on through Multiversity basically all fitting together as one huge story is just so awesome to me.

 

And Damians been alive for a long time now...that was definitely one of the...not very good parts of recent Batman...but we got the GREAT Robin Son Of Batman book, so it was a fair trade.


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 12:23 PM


Just read the book.

It was honestly REALLY GOOD.

It was about what I want DC Superheroes to be about. FINALLY. And it really felt like the old good DCU. Wally made me cry. The end made me happy. The situation made me interested and curious. Honest good comic.

-ZacWilliam, and the Watchmen thing would have blown my brain if not spoiled but it still looks really interesting and promising in story. Looks like they're gonna be putting the Legacy, Love and Hope the DCU should represent against the gritty cynicism of Watchmen and that could be a really interesting thematic conflict.
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Posted 26 May 2016 - 12:27 PM

Speaking of Watchmen, Grant Morrison's "Pax Americana" issue of Multiversity is just absolutely amazing.

 

I think what blew my mind the most was when someone posted somewhere that the president is basically Alan Moore-trying to make the Superhero world better but hugging up it even more in the process.



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Posted 26 May 2016 - 06:40 PM

The black Wally West is cuz of TV show potential? I see. I don't watch Flash so I forget if its Iris West or Linda Park who's black there. But c'mooooon! Where's the red hair representation in the show? They already have Vibe and Iris or Linda. Put some ginger in there. Kidding :)

Haven't read Morrisson's Multiversity but his 7 Soldiers and Final Crisis was messy, at least by the finish line. He likes to make puzzles that you have to connect the dots with and I imagine folks pretend to understand most of it and say its high level storytelling. I think it's just being pretentious. Alan Moore can write complex stuff and still do great storytelling (except for Promethea).

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:21 PM

So, given the revelations in this book I have to wonder...

 

Does all this mean that Superboy Prime was right all along?



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:34 PM

I really think it's disingenuous the way DC is making Alan Moore and his work the thematic antithesis corrupting the DCU... When it's them. Alan Moore had nothing to do with it. They keep trotting out his backlog and using it for their own purposes and then backtracking and say "Now it's time for the REAL heroes to bring back hope and light."

Alan Moore isn't the enemy, it's the people who keep misunderstanding Alan Moore and trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. If that's the attitude they want to combat, stop deflecting by using poorly veiled pastiches of him or his own bloody characters. Show some self awareness and stop passing the buck to a guy you screwed out of control over his own creation decades ago.

And I say this as someone who doesn't even LIKE Alan Moore.

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 11:00 PM

I certainly have my issues with Moore, but anything that 'went wrong' with DC happened loooooooong after Alan understandably had absolutely anything to do with DC.

 

So yeah, using Watchmen for this is pretty asinine, especially if Johns is trying to make some kind of ham-fisted metaphor. I'm hoping he's not, and he was just too creatively lazy to come up with another plot device, because it fails as a metaphor on every conceivable level.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:04 AM

DC wants (or wanted) every comic they publish to be seen as "high art" like Watchmen is. That's the dragon they kept chasing and why they always (lately) seemed like they were embarrassed by what they published.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:17 AM

DC (and really the majority of superhero comics over the last 25 years) just took all the wrong lessons from Alan Moore and Frank Miller. It's like how Nirvana ended up giving us Nickelback and Puddle of Mudd.

 

Johns has always struck me more as a disciple of Denny O'Neil than Miller or Moore. O'Neil wasn't afraid to go to dark places, but there was never that pitch black cynicism at the heart of his stuff.



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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:20 AM

Sure, I buy that analogy.

But making the Watchmen characters the villains is thematically passing the buck.

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:31 AM

Sure, I buy that analogy.

But making the Watchmen characters the villains is thematically passing the buck.

 

This suggests to me you have not actually read the book.



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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:45 AM

I have? Like, they all but state that Dr. Manhattan is making the world darker and taking 10 years out of the DCU. How else am I supposed to interpret this? He talks in interviews about how he's actually combating the idea that Watchmen should be a model for writing superheroes, but the fact he's using actual characters from Watchmen for that undermines the whole enterprise.

 

And then there's Grant Morrison taking pot shots at Moore over in Multiversity.


Edited by Razorsaw, 04 June 2016 - 12:47 AM.

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 01:01 AM

I think Dr. Manhattan's motivations are being left pretty ambiguous. Wally makes a lot of accusations, but we're never really told why he did any of this, and Johns hasn't explicitly said that in any interview I've read. 

 

I have no problem with them using characters from Watchmen. They own Watchmen and it's not the hugging Bible. Alan Moore has gotten more than a little mileage out of using famous fictional characters that he didn't really have any sort of claim on, and that didn't bother me either. If you disagree, more power to you.

 

And Grant Morrison and Alan Moore hate each other and have for decades. It is not hard to find instances of either of them shitting on the other.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 01:12 AM

Are you implying that his working on Supreme is in any way comparable to what happened to him with Watchmen? Heck, I'm pretty sure the IP holders for that consider his contribution a boon to the property. Everything he did there was with full permission.

 

EDIT - either way, even taking into account "they own it and always have", the message doesn't, at least as far as it's been presented, track. The New 52's terrible decisions are new New 52's terrible decisions. Pandora would be a more effective villain, considering she's actually literally symbolic and representative of this whole mess from the start. But no, she's written as the martyr.


Edited by Razorsaw, 04 June 2016 - 01:16 AM.

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 01:21 AM

Are you implying that his working on Supreme is in any way comparable to what happened to him with Watchmen? Heck, I'm pretty sure the IP holders for that consider his contribution a boon to the property. Everything he did there was with full permission.

 

EDIT - either way, even taking into account "they own it and always have", the message doesn't, at least as far as it's been presented, track. The New 52's terrible decisions are new New 52's terrible decisions. Pandora would be a more effective villain, considering she's actually literally symbolic and representative of this whole mess from the start. But no, she's written as the martyr.

I think he means Lost Girls and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

 

The difference is that those are public domain and DC own Watchmen because of a bad contract 30 years ago of course.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, anyone read the 4 Rebirth specials this week? This is probably the place to talk about them.

 

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