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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 January 2020 - 11:17 PM)

Twitter's revamp is so dumb. Nowadays, even when I am logged out of my account, right-clicking an image on Google Chrome won't let me access a URL to easily get the image's full size. That functionality was so useful!

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 January 2020 - 10:01 PM)

But when was the last time you saw a major retailer (since TRU) actually allot shelf space for a Transformers Titan? Or the Vintage Collection Poe X-Wing? There's clearly some sort of disparity between "girls" and "boys" toys that give companies justification to create $100+ items in the girls segment in FAR greater frequency than in boys.

@  fourteenwings : (25 January 2020 - 12:56 AM)

"how expensive they were" Tell that to L.O.L. O.M.G. and the $129 Amazing Surprise (I mean I guess when it comes to the toy aisle Power Rangers isn't a juggernaut like L.O.L.)

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:18 PM)

I think the big reason we didn't see the actual combining Zords at retail was because of how expensive they were. It would cost $100 to get enough of them to make a Megazord, $160+ if you want the Ultrazord. Or parents could just get the dang Ultrazord for $40 even if it didn't combine.

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Because they are "kids toys" not "collector toys"

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 03:27 PM)

1) I don't have Target. 2) can't go into my walmart. I'm surprised Hasbro won't sell the toys on Pulse

@  Bass X0 : (24 January 2020 - 02:43 PM)

I dreamt my phone was ringing and woke up to answer it.

@  Sabrblade : (24 January 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Lightning Collection figures, the smaller normal-sized Beast Morphers Ranger/enemy/Beast-Bot figures, the role-play morpher and weapon toys, and the simplistic non-combining megazord toys have all been very easy to find at various Targets and Walmarts. It's only been the actual combining Beast Morphers zord toys (which are bizarrely being sold individually this time) that have been hard to find in stores.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Thought I do question Hasbro's almost reluctance to have the toys available anywhere.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 01:44 PM)

i've been trying to sell mine for weeks...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I hadn't opened mine yet, but from what I've seen, the general agreement is that the Beast Morpher zords are much better than Bandais.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

I'm guessing if they're going to do anything on the level of Legacy Zords, it's being discussed behind NDAs at Toy Fair

@  Rodimus Supreme : (24 January 2020 - 10:38 AM)

Lightning Collection is good, and they're taking their sweet time on making Zords that are better than Bandai's Zords.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 10:34 AM)

So, what's the general PR fandom consensus of the Hasbro run of PR so far? I pretty much stepped out of the community after I got the Bandai Legacy zords I wanted.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 08:46 AM)

that would require someone to BUY Hasbro PR toys...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 07:17 AM)

Well hopefully see some cool PR stuff. Wish BBTS sold Hasbro PR toys.

@  fourteenwings : (24 January 2020 - 07:01 AM)

February 22nd through 25th, I feel like it was earlier last year...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 06:32 AM)

When is NY TF?

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:43 PM)

I don't know about Hasbro's general policy but I know everybody was on lockdown for Frozen II, which included both LEGO and Hasbro. Plus, I'm guessing everybody is holding off PR for NY Toy Fair? Overall, it's best to remember that Toy Fairs are for buyers, not fans.

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:41 PM)

LEGO has been doing this for ages, including sending cease and desists when outlets get leaked images.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:42 PM)

And then they ended up selling off the brand, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:41 PM)

Last time a toy brand I followed tightened down on toy fair and all the invited guests posted glowing reviews of what they saw, I ended up being disappointed as heck.

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:34 PM)

JediNews UK basically said they got a walkthrough of Lego's showcase...but were legally bound to NOT talk about anything, much less take pics.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:24 PM)

I wondered why I had seen basically nothing newsworthy from the event

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:14 PM)

Word is that Hasbro and Lego have their UK Toy Fair stuff on MAJOR lockdown. Full NDAs and everything.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 09:28 PM)

Seeing people say the $0.99 + $20 shipping item is cheaper than the $19.99 + free shipping item and getting tons of likes for it... I just don't know anymore.

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

if you havent already, y'all check your walmarts clearance aisle. i found siege six shot for $5. course, it could just be my walmart, but never hurts to look

@  Vexwing : (23 January 2020 - 07:20 PM)

Candlejack is going to need more ro

@  Patch : (23 January 2020 - 06:30 PM)

I thought you had to type out Candlejack's full name bef

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 02:46 PM)

I typed in the wrong tab.

@  Paladin : (23 January 2020 - 02:32 PM)

must've been the works of Candleja

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 02:06 PM)

looks like maximus wiped himself out mid-sentence

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 08:42 AM)

Disregard this.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2020 - 06:58 PM)

Bold of you all to assume we won't wipe ourselves out in 50 years.

@  Benbot : (22 January 2020 - 04:27 PM)

There will be no UBI, people will just live in a ditch while they celebrate owning the libs.

@  Rycochet : (22 January 2020 - 03:24 PM)

In 50 years, retail will be dead because all stores are staffless fully automated operations controlled by Amazon. The UBI will be less than a fifth of what it actually costs to live after two decades of cuts and.a steadfast refusal to match inflation.

@  Maximus Ambus : (22 January 2020 - 02:55 PM)

In fifty years retail will be a thing of the past through robots, printers and Universal Basic Income.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (21 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

Big retailers just don't want money anymore, so let's not give them any,

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:12 PM)

This place is a madhouse, feels like being cloned.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 January 2020 - 03:38 PM)

I took one step beyond the outer limits to the twilight zone.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 10:19 AM)

All retail is basically the same.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2020 - 10:00 AM)

Walmart just needs to go bankrupt already.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:19 AM)

They didn't put the 35th anniversary stuff back out until after new year. I'm no retail expert, but I feel like having stock on the shelf is better than the back. Especially toys at christmas time.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Yeah, my local walmart took away the 35th anniversary endcap weeks before Christmas and left the Transformer section empty well past Christmas.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Mine only has the 35th Anniversary Voyagers. A whole lot of them.

@  Telly : (19 January 2020 - 11:35 PM)

just be happy your walmart even stocks voyagers. mine doesnt

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 January 2020 - 08:53 PM)

Figures that Walmart finally restocks Studio Voyagers...with Wave ONE

@  ThunderWear : (19 January 2020 - 09:27 AM)

I snagged Rainmakers for half off.  They make me want jolly ranchers.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 04:21 PM)

I was using my account on another comptuer, and oddly it seemed to default to $US rather than converting it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 January 2020 - 02:02 PM)

You should be able to set eBay to display in your local currency, although personally I like to know the actual currency the item is listed in so I know if I need to account for forex fees or not


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#1 Internet Jesus

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 08:28 PM

So, a few things.

 

First, Wally West is back. The one we know, not the New 52 one.

 

Second, there are apparently three Jokers.

 

Third, the Justice Society is coming back.

 

Fourth, though. Oh BOY the fourth.

 

Apparently, the end of Watchmen where Dr. Manhattan creates life is when the New 52 started.

 

That's right, the big blue hand that Krona saw at the beginning of creation is that of Dr. Manhattan.

 

Huh.


Edited by Internet Jesus, 03 July 2016 - 06:32 AM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 08:58 PM

I clicked on this topic thinking "Hug Alan Moore, I don't care what makes him happy at this point."

 

But WOW, that's a really awful idea.  Please tell me that's not real.



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:14 PM

Woooooooooooooooow.  They went there didn't they?


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:20 PM

So, a few things.
 
First, Wally West is back. The one we know, not the New 52 one.

AWESOME.

 

Second, there are apparently three Jokers.

Erm... ok.
 

Third, the Justice Society is coming back.

Good!
 

Fourth, though. Oh BOY the fourth.
 
Apparently, the end of Watchmen where Dr. Manhattan creates life is when the New 52 started.
 
That's right, the big blue hand that Krona saw at the beginning of creation is that of Dr. Manhattan.
 
Huh.

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I need a moment to create a forehead-shaped divot in my desk. BRB.

Edited by Devcon, 20 May 2016 - 09:20 PM.

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:39 PM

Considering DC's history, two good reveals, a questionable reveal (3 Jokers could go a lot of ways), and a WTF reveal is a pretty solid average these days.

 

Tying Watchmen to the normal DC universe is something I don't think ANYBODY wanted, but you got to keep the cosmic balance somewhere.



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 10:24 PM


Well they didn't tie Watchmen to the regular DCU right? They tied it to the New 52 DCU which, shrug I couldn't care less about. And honestly it's such a weird idea that I have to give it points for brazen creativity if nothing else. Crazy can be fun and it's definitely a crazy.

3 Jokers sounds like a terrible idea out of context but as part of a story I'm willing to at least give it a chance.

Bringing back the jSA and Wally are both probably really good ideas.

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 01:07 AM

I'd be more outraged if I didn't know DC was going to reset its universe again in five to ten years anyway.

 

Six reboots in the span of 31 years. I remember when this thing was considered a big deal.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 02:24 AM

Well they didn't tie Watchmen to the regular DCU right? They tied it to the New 52 DCU which, shrug I couldn't care less about. And honestly it's such a weird idea that I have to give it points for brazen creativity if nothing else. Crazy can be fun and it's definitely a crazy.
3 Jokers sounds like a terrible idea out of context but as part of a story I'm willing to at least give it a chance.
Bringing back the jSA and Wally are both probably really good ideas.
-ZacWilliam, I don't hate any of it on principle at least depending how they write it and what they do with it.


Except Rebirth more or less implies the New 52 universe is the old one changed by Dr. Manhattan to take out elements that are now returning.

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 03:09 AM

Um wow.... I tend to hate that DC has done something stupid thread we have going here but that last reveal kinda makes this worthy of it.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 05:11 AM

Well they didn't tie Watchmen to the regular DCU right? They tied it to the New 52 DCU which, shrug I couldn't care less about. And honestly it's such a weird idea that I have to give it points for brazen creativity if nothing else. Crazy can be fun and it's definitely a crazy.
3 Jokers sounds like a terrible idea out of context but as part of a story I'm willing to at least give it a chance.
Bringing back the jSA and Wally are both probably really good ideas.
-ZacWilliam, I don't hate any of it on principle at least depending how they write it and what they do with it.


Except Rebirth more or less implies the New 52 universe is the old one changed by Dr. Manhattan to take out elements that are now returning.

Not only that, but apparently Doctor Manhattan's meddling supposedly stole ten years from everyone according to Wally.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 05:54 AM


I like "Dr Manhatten fiddled with reality and screwed stuff up" more than "Superboy Prime went crazy and punched reality" at least. Granted that's a low bar but still.

Soooo "DCU vs Watchmen" event? Where a team of DC folk invade the Watchmen U to stop Manhattan from screwing with them anymore? And everybody from DC is horrified by this gritty hell-verse?

ZacWilliam, now that sounds like a miniseries that would likely be terrible...
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Posted 21 May 2016 - 07:03 AM

Remember way back when when Pandora apparently merged DC, Wildstorm and Vertigo to create the New 52 Universe because of a multiversal threat? Looks like that was Pandora manipulating Manhattan to do so, and that Manhattan was the threat. Which he wasn't supposed to be because that was going to be Darkseid War but Johns got too busy to write it so here we go.

Manhattan apparently murders Pandora in Rebirth, and Batman discovers that Joker left the now infamous bloody Smiley face pin in the Batcave. This is the last page in the issue, with Wally also telling Barry that they're being "watched" implying the Watchmen connection.

So. The three Jokers. One could be the New 52 Joker. One could possibly be Rorschach reborn, leaving the pin for Batmam to find?

Who's the third one then? The Comedian reborn?

Speculation!

Edited by Internet Jesus, 21 May 2016 - 07:14 AM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 07:07 AM

Wouldn't the Watchman Universe be a veritable utopia of global cooperation in the wake of Ozymandias' plans, though?

 

I mean, Watchmen ended on the note that the thing super heroes fight for had come to pass.

 

So of course it's going to end with Batman revealing to the public at large the truth behind the deception.



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Posted 21 May 2016 - 07:15 AM

That's for the writers to write themselves out of this hole Geoff Johns dug for them before hugging off to run the DCEU.

Which begs the question though.

Why is Doctor Manhattan suddenly the villain? Why would he steal 10 years from the DCU to weaken it? Why murder Pandora? This isn't like Jon at all.

The biggest question of all, why use the Watchmen universe at all when there's a perfectly Pax Romana-shaped hole to fill that in with? Name recognition? Perhaps. Perhaps Johns wants to contrast the grittiness of New 52 to the post-Rebirth universe where the same idiots who ran New 52 to its gritty heights still run the goddamn thing.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 21 May 2016 - 07:31 AM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 07:58 AM

Obviously the three Jokers are Batman '66 Joker, BTAS Joker, and TDK Joker.


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Posted 21 May 2016 - 08:16 AM

Wouldn't the Watchman Universe be a veritable utopia of global cooperation in the wake of Ozymandias' plans, though?
 
I mean, Watchmen ended on the note that the thing super heroes fight for had come to pass.
 
So of course it's going to end with Batman revealing to the public at large the truth behind the deception.


I believe Watchmen ended on the note that someone found the journal and everything that had just been bought with monumental death might come to nothing. So, theoretically, the world after Watchmen has at least as much chance of being a mess as a Utopia.

-ZacWilliam, sooo who thinks one of the Jokers is the intern who finds the journal?
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Posted 21 May 2016 - 08:21 AM

Why?  Why is someone spoiling this?  Everyone is going to be buying this next week so why spoil it now.



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Posted 21 May 2016 - 08:25 AM

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 08:57 AM

Traaaash. Along with two Wally Wests. But Watchmen is worse. It's like they have no quality control or respect for anything. I could be a better editor than whoever approved this.

This eating its own tail thing is why comics sucks. DC has a crisis every year that references past events instead of moving things forward.

I don't know whose worse...Johns or Bendis.

Edit: Touch my Thighs we think alike...I really wanted to use a different nsfw euphemism tho.

I feel te same way about two Spider-Men to be honest...id probably feel different about Miles if he weren't so incredibly boring.

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 10:54 AM

Obviously the three Jokers are Batman '66 Joker, BTAS Joker, and TDK Joker.

From Newsarama's spoilers, the three Jokers were the original, the Killing Joke Joker and the Endgame/Snyder Joker.

Why?  Why is someone spoiling this?  Everyone is going to be buying this next week so why spoil it now.

DC sent out review copies. Reddit got ahold of one and spoiled it, Bleeding Cool reported it, and according to Bleeding Cool because they reported it, the major Comic News outlets are now given the go-ahead to spoil it.

There's way more that happens since it's an 80 page issue (there's Legion hints and Ryan Choi being the only person who can save Ray Palmer, Aquaman proposing to Mera, Green Arrow and Black Canary knowing the spark between them is real while Wally talks about the ten years taken away, etc). Spoiling it a week ahead of time gives DC publicity ahead of Rebirth. It's pretty smart strategy even though the backlash is gonna be major.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 21 May 2016 - 10:57 AM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.




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