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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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#1 M Sipher

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 05:15 PM

Okay so I got a batch of blindbagged Micro-Changers off ebay cheap, intending to use them for spare parts. But now I can't.

 

Because apparently they were from the dollar-store re-release of wave 1, without the ID numbers for individual Kreons, and they are VERY different from the originals.

 

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First of all, they use the 2015 style Kreon bodies, in which damn near every piece has been retooled. They have the hollow waist-peg with the inner-peg in the torso, the raised-ridge hands, the slightly-different balljoint sizes, etc.

 

And the tampographs have changed. Many of them are more complex than the originals, adding more lines to the faces and reworking the chest details, sometimes with new colors. Plus they've all now got new tampographs on their legs.

 

And finally, they all come with the 3x4 "KRE-O" stand plate rather than the old 2x4 brick.

 

While this kicks my general plan of using them for spare parts in the teeth (the different balljoint tolerances and waist connectors make a lotta parts incompatible), this is... an unexpected change. I only have Collection 1, but now I think I need to see what changes got made to 2 through 4.

 

 

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 05:29 PM

Oh, I need to point out that it looks like this ONLY applies to the Micro-Changer blindbags. The handful of boxed sets I've gotten from these stores all use the old style of Kreon, even the Micro-Changer Combiner set.

 

 

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 07:21 PM

Weird stuff. I'm kinda glad I'm selling off my collection. I'd probably want to nab these.


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Posted 19 May 2016 - 08:32 PM

I'm still looking for old-style Kreons for parts.


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Posted 19 May 2016 - 11:53 PM

Man, the new tampos are kinda nice.

 

This is all kinds of weird though. 



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 03:06 AM

Okay, I've conformed that Collection 2 is similarly changed. New Kreon bodies.

 

The two I got, Powerglide and Scourge, are not as extensively changed in the tampo area, since they already had more complex decos and leg-tampos, but there ARE changes. The flat light gray paint is now shiny silver. The faction symbols are in color and white-outlined. PG has a little more black outlining on his torso. Also for some reason his head is silver plastic rather than light gray.

 

There's also a sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight change to the plastic hues in some cases. The light gays are now a bit more on the blue side of gray.

 

 

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 06:02 AM

Interesting!  I love me some Kreons, and I might be tempted to replace old ones with better ones if they are better enough.  Any chance of a side-by-side for the ones you've picked up?



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:42 AM

I had no idea they were re-releasing the first four waves. I thought they just re-did one of them. That's really weird. 

 

Siph, I was gonna unload them for $5 a piece. Dunno if that's cheap or not, but I have pics if you're interested. 


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 12:19 PM

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 12:32 PM

Interesting!  I love me some Kreons, and I might be tempted to replace old ones with better ones if they are better enough.  Any chance of a side-by-side for the ones you've picked up?

I put a couple quick pics up on Twitter but for some reason getting pics from twitter onto here is... unpleasant.

I'll take nicer pics when I get home from work, which should hopefully include some series 3 bots.

And it looks like the Walgreens series 4 Kreons without individual codes are NOT part of this remaking. The sample fig I got last night is the same old-style Kreon as before.


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 06:34 PM

Still lots of places to check, but I've got a good representative sample of Collection 2 now.

 

The deco changes are nowhere as extensive as they are for Collection 1. The faces have no extra lines. Some have a little more or a little less black outlining. A few have slight color changes beyond the gray-to-silver, but nothing I'd call major. All factions symbols are in their proper colors now, and usually (but not always) with a white outline.

 

Not every piece has gone through the same tone-shift in colors, so part that are SUPPOSED to be the same color in the same set can be a bit off from each other.

 

Lugnut has those new clip-on turbines from the AOE era sets rather than the rounded warhead-like clip-on things.

 

Pics coming in a bit.

 

 

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 06:36 PM

The light gays are now a bit more on the blue side of gray.

Y'know, there's a Tracks joke in there somewhere...


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 06:54 PM

I liked the story of the Light Gays warring against the Dark Straights. Pity it got retconned in favout of the Gaymus vs Heterocron narrative.

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 07:03 PM

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 07:21 PM

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:34 PM

Thank you!

 

Some definitely are improvements in there.  What stores are you finding these in?



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:54 PM

.... oh dang. I somehow skipped that part. Dollar General and Family Dollar.

Also, the one Series 4 bag I found at Family Dollar was an old style. I didn't open it, I found the 2x4 stand brick through the bag.


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:59 PM

Wow. There are some significant improvements there!



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Posted 21 May 2016 - 09:50 PM

Havin' a time of it, seeing Perceptor's difference... /shrug

Spent some time around the immediate area and wound up with two complete sets of Collection 2 plus extras (because the unmolested display was my SECOND stop, aargh) and a need to play FEEL THE PARTS with Collection 1 because that's just the way my luck runs.

If anyone winds up in a buy/sell/trading mood, I need 1 Insecticon, 2 Dirge, and 2 Airachnid from Collection 1. I've got 1 Blight, 1 Vehicon, 1 Lugnut and 2 Hoist from Collection 2 to use for exchange or eventual sale.

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 04:10 AM

Havin' a time of it, seeing Perceptor's difference... /shrug

 

Well, there's the default "flat gray paint is now silver". His tummy-mirror also now lacks the black outline for reasons unknown. And his toes are black rather than light blue.

 

 

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