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@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 06:18 PM)

"Prowl". There, that's at least fifteen.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Or do you want people to spam the Squawkbox with lists of 100 characters?

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Oky, just one question: If I were to say "Yes, I could", how could you be sure I'm not lying?

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 06:08 PM)

i don't go into people's threads that have no relevance to my interests just to be an ass by telling them that their comments and opinions are of no value just because they have no personal interest to me.

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 06:06 PM)

i think one of us is misunderstanding what the squawkbox is actually for.

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 06:06 PM)

and what is wrong with that? you respond to me to lessen your own boredom.

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 06:05 PM)

I'm asking people if they think they could.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:05 PM)

Or did you just think of another random question to lessen your boredom?

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:04 PM)

Is this a survey?

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Could you name 100 different Transformers without using the same name more than once, completely from memory?

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 July 2020 - 04:12 PM)

It's on Netflix, if you're playing the app off the TV just use search to find it. I thought it had been delayed but found it with the search option.

@  Bass X0 : (30 July 2020 - 04:09 PM)

Is WFC in the UK yet?

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

I sped the WFC trailers up on Youtube (1.25) and it actually helps.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 July 2020 - 02:40 AM)

Never occured to me the Headmaster juniors were kids because their head toys were smaller then the engine Godmasters.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 July 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Misery loves company. Now it's just easier to find.

@  Telly : (29 July 2020 - 02:31 PM)

"becoming" obvious? its been obvious for years and years. its just more noticeable now thanks to social media

@  wonko the sane? : (29 July 2020 - 01:51 PM)

It's becoming readily obvious that there's a lot of people in the world whom are fundamentally unhappy and intent on making as many people as possible just like them.

@  repowers : (29 July 2020 - 07:46 AM)

Turns out he wants you to have an UNhappy day! HAHAHA! Such villainy!

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 July 2020 - 04:56 AM)

Questioning them just makes them shout the same thing but louder until any reasonable person walks away in disgust. Then they claim that they won. There's nothing to analyze, it's just bullying.

@  Nevermore : (29 July 2020 - 04:26 AM)

Especially since the words by our chancelor he was referring to ("I wish you a happy...") are pretty common.

@  Nevermore : (29 July 2020 - 04:26 AM)

That "subliminal reverse speech" thing is particularly baffling. Does that mean anyone repeating those exact same words is inserting the same reverse speech by default? Or how does that work?


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#21 Sabrblade

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 11:29 AM

Is there a link to Kyde's original statement of being told "don't do it again" after Fracture?

 

Also, if such a statement was made, how did Deadlift happen afterward? And wasn't there another GoBots homage figure with a different name too?


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 11:38 AM

I'm sure you can find Kyde's discussion if you search for it - it's come up a couple of times.

 

As for Deadlift, while he was an orange forklift, that's pretty much where his homage to Spoons ended as his bot mode and face bore almost no resemblance (aside from two arms and legs). The "34" sticker wink was just that and probably slipped by.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 11:52 AM

And wasn't there another GoBots homage figure with a different name too?

There was a Beast Wars Inferno homage that ended up coincidentally looking like some Gobot.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:04 PM

There was another bike-mode bot with a Night Ranger inspired deco, but that never saw release. I hasten to point out that Deadlift and... whoever's bios didn't even make reference to the GoBots their decos were based on, and neither was as... overt and distinct as Fracture/Crasher.

 

And I'd also like to point out that Hasbro's John Warden said pretty much all this when asked at Toy Fair this year. The rights are such a snarl with both Bandai and HB having "interest" in them that it's easier to just sidestep the issue beyond using the "Gobots" Trademark just to hold onto it.

 

 

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:12 PM

Is there a link to Kyde's original statement of being told "don't do it again" after Fracture?

 

Also, if such a statement was made, how did Deadlift happen afterward? And wasn't there another GoBots homage figure with a different name too?

Dake outlines Deadlift pretty well--it likely slipped by because "orange forklift" isn't going to raise any eyebrows when it comes to likeness. Even stamping the number 34 on it is still pretty oblique as far as callbacks go. Of course virtually all of the ROTF scouts were repainted and many of them were weird and wonderful homages (Red Baron!), but that's another matter.

 

There is also Movie Backtrack, who is a Gobots Night Ranger reference. However, given that without the license plate he's really just a blue motorcycle who shares no great resemblance to the Gobot (not even the same shade of blue...) and that license plates are infamous sources of in-jokes, I doubt anyone thought twice about it.


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#26 Jim S

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:28 PM

Jim pretty much lays out the best reason we're not likely to see Gobots: even if Hasbro owns absolutely everything else, they're still based on things Bandai owns. Changing things up enough that it isn't free advertising for or actionable by Bandai results in Gobots In Name Only... and is that really worth it? Since the bulk of the appeal would be in nostalgia and they can't (won't) use the designs, Hasbro would just end up competing with themselves by making a second transforming robot line that is fundamentally the same as the highly-successful one they have now.

 

I think the bottom line here is simply that Hasbro doesn't really need or want to make Gobots. They just don't want Bandai to do it.
 

 

Bingo! We're very likely to see the name GoBots used from time to time, and might see some fictional elements get appropriated, but the core Bandai-toy based characters (which are, of course, the heart of the the GoBots franchise) are unlikely to ever be major Transformers players or get a proper toy release. Hasbro has no incentive to use GoBots as anything other than a Transformers adjunct, and certainly doesn't want to have multiple disparate robot franchises to manage.

 

 

There is little reason for anyone to focus on the few bits Hasbro owns that may spark a lawsuit. The nonsense with the Transformers/G.I. Joe Skystriker lawsuit, despite Hasbro winning the case with prejudice, pretty much consigns the Jetfire design or anything close to the dustbins of history. 

 

 
Well, this is not entirely accurate considering we got Leader Jetfire a year or so later. If anything that particular case should have comforted and emboldened Hasbro. Thanks to Harmony Gold's forcing of the issue, they now have a current ruling that states they can make all the Jetfires they want.

 

 

Actually, that's an interesting point. The HG lawsuit was filed in July of 2013. The Jetfire toy was first spotted in February of 2014. We know the production pipeline is some 18-24 months long, so that toy was in production long before the lawsuit. In fact, were I a betting man, I'd suggest that the reason the lawsuit went to judgement as opposed to settlement might well have had something to do with Hasbro knowing they had another toy scheduled to hit shelves, a toy with a much larger production run. But I'd still be surprised to see, say, the Jetfire box art show up on a tee shirt or anything any time soon.

 

And I'd also like to point out that Hasbro's John Warden said pretty much all this when asked at Toy Fair this year. The rights are such a snarl with both Bandai and HB having "interest" in them that it's easier to just sidestep the issue beyond using the "Gobots" Trademark just to hold onto it.

 

M "And It's Not Like There's Not A Lot Of Stuff Hasbro Unambiguously Owns That's Obscure To Dredge Up For New Toys" Sipher

 

Yup. And let's not forget that Hasbro is primarily a TOY company. THAT'S their core competency, THAT'S the composition of their corporate DNA. No matter how much of the non-toy portion of the GoBots franchise Hasbro owns, and it's (probably) a lot, very little of that matters if they can't develop little plastic models of them to sell. Much more profitable to mine existing IP (and there's 30+ years of it) or create new IP that it unambiguously owns and can merchandise. 

 

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:40 PM

There is also Movie Backtrack, who is a Gobots Night Ranger reference. However, given that without the license plate he's really just a blue motorcycle who shares no great resemblance to the Gobot (not even the same shade of blue...) and that license plates are infamous sources of in-jokes, I doubt anyone thought twice about it.

 

And even that one has the backup of being a University of Kentucky Wildcats nod, just in case.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:40 PM

...no. No, not even. No.
 
Fracture only got to exist because Kyde could prove that the car-mode deco exists on a real-world vehicle. That's what we call "plausible deniability".
 
You can't copyright a transformation scheme. You can patent a VERY SPECIFIC toy, but a toy that has the same jointing but is different otherwise is not infringement.
 
 
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This issue is a big part of why, back when we still had "Ask Hasbro", I was wanting to know if the Department of Defense would allow Hasbro to use real-world American military markings: the markings for Skull Squadron in "Macross" were based on the markings for VFA-103, AKA the "Jolly Roger" squadron. If Hasbro had permission to do Jolly Roger markings, then Harmony Gold couldn't say squat.

The other reason is that there's a surprisingly large market for realistic military memorabilia, meaning that for brands like TF, Joe, and Micro Machines Hasbro could open up an entirely new market, especially if they could get specific markings on specific vehicles or alt modes. I live right next door to a major military base, and so I can tell quite a few stories of how in-demand such items really are.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:56 PM

 

...no. No, not even. No.
 
Fracture only got to exist because Kyde could prove that the car-mode deco exists on a real-world vehicle. That's what we call "plausible deniability".
 
You can't copyright a transformation scheme. You can patent a VERY SPECIFIC toy, but a toy that has the same jointing but is different otherwise is not infringement.
 
 
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This issue is a big part of why, back when we still had "Ask Hasbro", I was wanting to know if the Department of Defense would allow Hasbro to use real-world American military markings: the markings for Skull Squadron in "Macross" were based on the markings for VFA-103, AKA the "Jolly Roger" squadron. If Hasbro had permission to do Jolly Roger markings, then Harmony Gold couldn't say squat.

Except Hasbro doesn't use those markings in the first place and Harmony Gold would sue anyway because that's basically all Harmony Gold does now.  I don't know the specifics of the HG's suit, but I guarantee suing Hasbro over using something Hasbro was not actually using was not part of it.

 

The other reason is that there's a surprisingly large market for realistic military memorabilia, meaning that for brands like TF, Joe, and Micro Machines Hasbro could open up an entirely new market, especially if they could get specific markings on specific vehicles or alt modes. I live right next door to a major military base, and so I can tell quite a few stories of how in-demand such items really are.

 

No.  Living next door to a military base skews your perception of actual demand.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:17 PM

 

Jim pretty much lays out the best reason we're not likely to see Gobots: even if Hasbro owns absolutely everything else, they're still based on things Bandai owns. Changing things up enough that it isn't free advertising for or actionable by Bandai results in Gobots In Name Only... and is that really worth it? Since the bulk of the appeal would be in nostalgia and they can't (won't) use the designs, Hasbro would just end up competing with themselves by making a second transforming robot line that is fundamentally the same as the highly-successful one they have now.

 

I think the bottom line here is simply that Hasbro doesn't really need or want to make Gobots. They just don't want Bandai to do it.
 

 

Bingo! We're very likely to see the name GoBots used from time to time, and might see some fictional elements get appropriated, but the core Bandai-toy based characters (which are, of course, the heart of the the GoBots franchise) are unlikely to ever be major Transformers players or get a proper toy release. Hasbro has no incentive to use GoBots as anything other than a Transformers adjunct, and certainly doesn't want to have multiple disparate robot franchises to manage.

 

 

There is little reason for anyone to focus on the few bits Hasbro owns that may spark a lawsuit. The nonsense with the Transformers/G.I. Joe Skystriker lawsuit, despite Hasbro winning the case with prejudice, pretty much consigns the Jetfire design or anything close to the dustbins of history. 

 

 
Well, this is not entirely accurate considering we got Leader Jetfire a year or so later. If anything that particular case should have comforted and emboldened Hasbro. Thanks to Harmony Gold's forcing of the issue, they now have a current ruling that states they can make all the Jetfires they want.

 

 

Actually, that's an interesting point. The HG lawsuit was filed in July of 2013. The Jetfire toy was first spotted in February of 2014. We know the production pipeline is some 18-24 months long, so that toy was in production long before the lawsuit. In fact, were I a betting man, I'd suggest that the reason the lawsuit went to judgement as opposed to settlement might well have had something to do with Hasbro knowing they had another toy scheduled to hit shelves, a toy with a much larger production run. But I'd still be surprised to see, say, the Jetfire box art show up on a tee shirt or anything any time soon.

 

 

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I did buy this at BotCon 2014.  Not sure when it came out but I think it was right around that time.  :D

 

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:20 PM

"Cyclepath" is the relatively kid friendly name I've alway had rolling around in my head.

 

Some group of us determined we wanted a Decepticon Street Action Team redeco as Cyclepath, Skatred and Mopedophile back when Armada came out.

 

I'm sure it's coming any day now.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:18 PM

 

 

I feel like I shouldn't expect otherwise from "Deathsaurus looks like a cat" and yet.

 

I said he looked more like a gryphon than a dinosaur or even a traditional dragon.

 

Which he does.

 

And that was like ten hugging years ago.

 

CLG's chest is literally the same part of the gun as Megatron's chest.  The EXACT same part.  LOOK AT HIM.

 

 

But that means zero as the toy transforms completely differently and, you know, looks completely different in every meaningful way.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:40 PM

If you replaced his arms and head and chest and aesthetics with those of a Megatron, he'd look just like Megatron.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:43 PM

 

Why yes, yes you are. Keep on tilting at those windmills, they look just like Omega Supreme don'tcha know?



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:51 PM

CLG's chest is literally the same part of the gun as Megatron's chest.  The EXACT same part.  LOOK AT HIM.

 

That's a bit like saying every Transformer with a hood chest is Prowl.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:55 PM

If you replaced his arms and head and chest and aesthetics with those of a Megatron, he'd look just like Megatron.

 

Tip to toe, that's a Megatron!


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:58 PM

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Not quite this bad yet, but let's not let it go there.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:58 PM

I could understand it it was being compared to Browning, the torso and arm transformation are pretty close but no, not Megatron.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 04:01 PM

Cy-Terminate.

Now I can't help thinking that I'm surprised there wasn't a Terminator/BattleStar Galactica crossover comic from the 90's.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 04:11 PM

You inhabit a strange world.

 

EDIT: Do you understand how G1 Megatron's arm transformation works? Both of his arms come from the rear of the slide. Also, their fist-ends are pointed forward toward his torso, not out the back. That's how the hammer ends on his shoulders. Both of them.


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