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@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

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Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

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#1 Plokatron

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:22 AM

Ok been bugging me forever since I read the adventures of Bug Bite nearly taking over the Decepticons. But why is it that the two companies who own the rights to the characters not use them as toys. Now don't misunderstand me here I'm not talking that Hasbro reissue the 1984 Line I know the problem there is thanks to Bandai owned molds.

 

No what I mean is why can't they creat new molds and use the old names for new characters in the Transformers line? I mean the recolored reissues Takara made that ended up creating the said story I mentioned only had numbers in the market and from what I've heard it's due to them being afraid of a lawsuit.

 

I just don't understand. Lets see if I have it straight. Takara used mold designed by them in the 80s wanted to use names of characters from a series Tonka had created, Tonka is owned by Hasbro so names are in hand for Takara, Bandai never owed any of the molds for these reissues nor the names from Tonka They only licensed them out to Tonka and Tonka came up with the names for the USA.

 

Now I'm definitely not a law major (Too much red tape) but even I know Bandai would have done nothing and could have done nothing to Takara had they gone with the old idea. Simple fact unless like I said I missed something they would have all rights to the GoBots' Names and the G1 Transformers molds. 

 

Also I'd kind of like Cy-kill to be a subordinate to Starscream and end up being his well Starscream. Everyone needs a understudy. But I'm getting off topic. This situation just hurts my logic circuits.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:41 AM

Machine Robo, the Japanese toyline that became GoBots stateside, is owned by Bandai. As such, all the actual character designs are off the table.

 

Meanwhile, Challenge of the GoBots, which was the cartoon, is owned by Hanna Barbera, and thus Time Warner.

 

TakaraTomy has exactly zero rights on GoBots, so they're well out of this.

 

Hasbro has some rights, but they entail the trademarks they inherited from the purchase of Tonka. Most of them are expired and/or indefensible (see also naming the homage to Crasher "Fracture"). Beyond that, as stated above, none of the actual fictional material is copyrighted to Hasbro and to my knowledge they've never considered it important enough to proposition Time Warner for purchasing or licensing those rights. A big part of that, again, might be because of the giant mess of the property's rights being spread out among three entities.

 

Bandai for their part have shown willingness to license out Machine Robo, but they did so in its original form and... well, not to Hasbro or TakaraTomy who is a competitor.


Edited by Rosicrucian, 22 February 2016 - 12:42 AM.


#3 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:45 AM

Rights are complicated.

Lawyers are expensive.

If there is doubt exactly how much of a property you own, even if it's only a little doubt or you're likely to win, most companies would rather avoid the issue than have to deal with the legal issues, again even if they have a great case. It's just really not worth the hassle and money even if you are in the right most times.

With Gobots the rights are split 3 ways: Names and some basic fiction - Hasbro, toys and appearance based on those toys -Bandai, Cartoon and things created for it -WB. There's enough possible bleed there with the Gobots IP that any use of anything other than the basic names on entirely unrelated and dissimilar toys isn't something Hasbro wants to go near.

-ZacWilliam, it's just not worth the potential legal and financial complication.

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#4 Charles RB

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:02 AM

Hasbro have basically shrugged and gone "yeah okay" for the Fun Pub Facebooks and fiction - this is stuff aimed solely at nerds, and not many of us at that, and most of it is free and barely any are toys. The toys that are used also seem to only obliquely touch on GoBot personalities in their techspecs (Cop-Tur is actually supersmart, Rest-Q has a big speech impediment, Bug Bite is a mysterious and sinister brainwasher).

 

Doing this in mainstream fiction or toys, and explicitly making the toys like the old 'toon, is a riskier thing because then lawyers might get involved and the potential profit isn't good enough for that.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:58 AM

...no. No, not even. No.

 

Fracture only got to exist because Kyde could prove that the car-mode deco exists on a real-world vehicle. That's what we call "plausible deniability".

 

You can't copyright a transformation scheme. You can patent a VERY SPECIFIC toy, but a toy that has the same jointing but is different otherwise is not infringement.

 

 

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#6 Jim S

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 06:30 AM

Ah, a topic near and dear to my heart. Keeping in mind that I'm not a lawyer, and that although I do freelance work for Hasbro and Fun Publications, I cannot and do not officially represent either organization, here are some of my thoughts on the matter. I will only be referencing publicly-available information. 

 

The first factor is exactly what Zac wrote so succinctly above.

 

Rights are complicated.

Lawyers are expensive.

If there is doubt exactly how much of a property you own, even if it's only a little doubt or you're likely to win, most companies would rather avoid the issue than have to deal with the legal issues, again even if they have a great case. It's just really not worth the hassle and money even if you are in the right most times.
 

 

Transformers has a 30+ year history with plenty of iconic characters and ideas to draw from. There is little reason for anyone to focus on the few bits Hasbro owns that may spark a lawsuit. The nonsense with the Transformers/G.I. Joe Skystriker lawsuit, despite Hasbro winning the case with prejudice, pretty much consigns the Jetfire design or anything close to the dustbins of history. 

 

There's another, equally important factor. Bandai, a minor Hasbro and major Takara-Tomy competitor, unquestionably and unambiguously owns the rights the MachineRobo molds. Hasbro is not in the business of giving free advertising to its competitors. Thus, whatever the rights situation with the Challenge designs, Hasbro would have a strong disincentive to using them. 

 

Now, what is the actual rights situation? It's very difficult for anyone who isn't a lawyer directly connected to the 30-year-old contracts to know with absolute certainty, however we layfolks can make educated guesses. Here's a copyright notice from a 1984 GoBots picturebook:

 

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There are a couple of interesting bits here. One is that not only are the names used under license from Tonka, with no mention of Hanna Barbera, but the character designs are as well. Two is that it's not only toys that are used, but characters and concepts specifically from Challenge. All of the major human companions as well as the element sorium are specifically name-checked. It would appear very likely that, whatever contracts Tonka and Hanna Barbera signed, Tonka kept the majority of the rights. Note that the Challenge episodes themselves contain similar notice, giving full rights to Tonka. However, 1984 was a long time ago. Might something have changed in the interim? 

 

Fast forward to 2011. Warner Bros Animation wants to release Challenge on DVD. For the first time in decades, someone with access to (one presumes) the original contracts is in a position to want to pay lawyers to untangle some of the mess and see who owns what. The result is thus: http://tfwiki.net/me...tice_modern.jpg

 

Which says: "GOBOTS and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and © Hasbro Inc. Program Compilation © Hanna-Barbera and Hasbro Inc. Package Design © Hanna-Barbera and Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc."

 

Thus, it seems very likely that, at least as far as Warner Bros. is concerned, Hasbro owns the characters and elements, and probably the designs as well. And so, as of 2011, were Hasbro so inclined, they could mine such elements. Yes, even the designs...

 

...but they won't. At least, they wouldn't use anything too close to any of the actual GoBots characters that were based on a Bandai license, because again, they'd not want to boost Bandai's MachineRobo line. A Cy-Kill toy that looks like Cy-Kill is probably off the table forever (pending some fortuitous merger). On the other hand, a Cy-Kill with a different color scheme and silhouette would be entirely possible. See, in fact, the actual Cop-Tur and Bug Bite toys produced by Hasbro licensee Fun Publications. A non-toy Cy-Kill would STILL almost certainly need to be heavily redesigned, not because of a potential lawsuit, but because of the free advertising issue. 

 

I suspect that, the closest Hasbro would be likely to allow for anything too related to the old designs would be some kind of non-visual medium. Visuals MIGHT be possible for things that have no Bandai connection, like maybe some of the human characters or toys like Zod which were produced entirely by Tonka with no Bandai input. But for someone like Cy-Kill or Scooter, they'd have to be either entirely redesigned or shown in a completely obscured way. 

 

But, again, this is all speculation. Only the Hasbro, Warner Bros., and Bandai legal departments know for sure.

 

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Edited by Jim S, 22 February 2016 - 06:42 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 07:14 AM

Interesting that you mentioned Cop-Tur, when the Fun Pub guy doesn't have a different silhouette to the GoBot - he's a blue, conehead helicopter with a silver face and orange accents. Sure, there are differences, but he's far closer than, say, Bug Bite.

Good to have that all clearly explained, though, so thank you.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 07:40 AM

 

Machine Robo, the Japanese toyline that became GoBots stateside, is owned by Bandai. As such, all the actual character designs are off the table.

 

Meanwhile, Challenge of the GoBots, which was the cartoon, is owned by Hanna Barbera, and thus Time Warner.

 

TakaraTomy has exactly zero rights on GoBots, so they're well out of this.

 

Hasbro has some rights, but they entail the trademarks they inherited from the purchase of Tonka. Most of them are expired and/or indefensible (see also naming the homage to Crasher "Fracture"). Beyond that, as stated above, none of the actual fictional material is copyrighted to Hasbro and to my knowledge they've never considered it important enough to proposition Time Warner for purchasing or licensing those rights. A big part of that, again, might be because of the giant mess of the property's rights being spread out among three entities.

 

Bandai for their part have shown willingness to license out Machine Robo, but they did so in its original form and... well, not to Hasbro or TakaraTomy who is a competitor.

 

TW doesn't own the footage, they own the broadcast rights.  What Hasbro own is the copyright on the character designs.  That's how they're able to make things like Fracture at all.  The name has nothing to do with it, it's just hard to trademark anything car-related with "crash" because it's in-use already, kind of like "hot rod."

 

Bandai can't lawyer up and go after either TT or Hasbro over Gobots because they'll get straight #rekt in the countersuit because they shamelessly copied a number of Takara's robots, notably Gears, Sunstreaker, and friggin' MEGATRON.

 

 

Yeah, those similarities aren't as clearcut as 4-10 year old you might have believed if you actually look at the toys in question, Smallfoot is actually humanoid for one thing while Gears looked like something you'd see waddling around a B-movie, going 'beep boop', Pocket has a head similar to Sunstreaker and the same unlicensed alt mode, but the transformation is completely different, owing more to Turbo/Supercar Robo from 1982. I'm stumped as to who the Megatron copy might be, Bandai had nothing to do with any of the gun robots issued in the western GoBots line and none of them look anything like in any case.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 09:40 AM

...no. No, not even. No.

 

Fracture only got to exist because Kyde could prove that the car-mode deco exists on a real-world vehicle. That's what we call "plausible deniability".

 

You can't copyright a transformation scheme. You can patent a VERY SPECIFIC toy, but a toy that has the same jointing but is different otherwise is not infringement.

 

 

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This is what I recall reading about too. The name choice as well was their way of skirting the issue, not because they couldn't get Crasher but because they didn't want to try and push it "too far".

 

There is little reason for anyone to focus on the few bits Hasbro owns that may spark a lawsuit. The nonsense with the Transformers/G.I. Joe Skystriker lawsuit, despite Hasbro winning the case with prejudice, pretty much consigns the Jetfire design or anything close to the dustbins of history. 

 

 
Well, this is not entirely accurate considering we got Leader Jetfire a year or so later. If anything that particular case should have comforted and emboldened Hasbro. Thanks to Harmony Gold's forcing of the issue, they now have a current ruling that states they can make all the Jetfires they want.

 
 
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Posted 22 February 2016 - 09:43 AM

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That's not Megatron's chest at all. Even if you ignore the speaker holes it's got this protrusion in the center. And Megatron doesn't have huge shoulder pylons. He only has the gun's hammer sticking out from there. The head is pretty damn different too with those "ear" things.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:05 AM

Laser Gun.  Thought he was made by Popy (which would reflect on Bandai after the merger), but apparently it was some obscure Korean company.  Everyone compares him to Shockwave, but he's got Megatron's helmet, chest and shoulders, and the legs are at least as much his as Shockwave's. 

 

Regardless, Pocket having a different transformation wouldn't save him with that head or those colors, that's like making Superman with a Z instead of an S.  It's why Fracture's real-world-ness doesn't help Hasbro either (especially when it's unlicensed) because her robot deco, specifically her head, is undeniably based on the Hanna-Barbera design.  They couldn't have made her a dome-headed pink-faced robot with black outlines around her eyes on top of already being essentially the same car, unless they owned that particular likeness.  Likewise, Bandai can't make a version of F1-Robo with Crasher's head, because they don't actually own Crasher.

 

Lasergun wasn't Popy or Tonka, it was a third company called Playtime, some have said it may have roots in the same line as Shockwave, but there's no evidence to support that. It has nothing in common with Megatron aside from legs that turn into a handle, heck, the transformation borrows more from Browning.

 

The Pocket head is the standard GoBots/Machine Robo chrome dome with ears, the ball head with ears being something that pre-dates Sunstreaker, it's relatively easy to find Super Robots with similar ears that pre-date Diaclone and I'm not sure Takara could claim to own/defend the rights to a yellow Lambo. Was Pocket likely inspired by Sunstreaker? Probably. Could Takara use it to hammer Bandai as you suggest? Lord no, there are just too many differences. It's not in the same league as Skyfall, Gundam in red in any case, or his linemate Treadshot who is lifted 100% from a design neither Hasbro nor Takara have any claim to.


Edited by Rycochet, 22 February 2016 - 10:29 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:11 AM

Jim pretty much lays out the best reason we're not likely to see Gobots: even if Hasbro owns absolutely everything else, they're still based on things Bandai owns. Changing things up enough that it isn't free advertising for or actionable by Bandai results in Gobots In Name Only... and is that really worth it? Since the bulk of the appeal would be in nostalgia and they can't (won't) use the designs, Hasbro would just end up competing with themselves by making a second transforming robot line that is fundamentally the same as the highly-successful one they have now.

 

I think the bottom line here is simply that Hasbro doesn't really need or want to make Gobots. They just don't want Bandai to do it.
 

Regardless, Pocket having a different transformation wouldn't save him with that head or those colors, that's like making Superman with a Z instead of an S.  It's why Fracture's real-world-ness doesn't help Hasbro either (especially when it's unlicensed) because her robot deco, specifically her head, is undeniably based on the Hanna-Barbera design.  They couldn't have made her a dome-headed pink-faced robot with black outlines around her eyes on top of already being essentially the same car, unless they owned that particular likeness.  Likewise, Bandai can't make a version of F1-Robo with Crasher's head, because they don't actually own Crasher.

I feel it's important to point out here that after Fracture was made, Kyde was effectively told "don't ever do that again", which is generally attributed to the confusion with who actually owns the designs. Hasbro has thus far successfully (and often preemptively) blocked Bandai from bringing any sort of Machine Robo/Gobots revival to the US, so the last thing they'd want is to draw attention to Gobots, get lawyers involved, and then find out they actually own nothing.
 
As Jim observes above, TW appears to have taken the initiative and has seemingly attributed ownership to Hasbro, but of course that was several years later.
 
So Fracture's head deco seems less of a "we know we own this design" thing and more of a "you got away with it ONCE, now cut it out" thing.


Edited by Lukeblast, 22 February 2016 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:11 AM

Also, when did Pocket come out? Because Sunstreaker's Diaclone predecessor was red.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:12 AM

So going off Jim's post, the names themselves could be reused.

So damn it, Hasbro, use the name Cy-Kill for ANYTHING because that's a swanky name!



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:21 AM

http://www.toyarchiv...s/LaserGun.html

That's not Megatron's chest at all. Even if you ignore the speaker holes it's got this protrusion in the center. And Megatron doesn't have huge shoulder pylons. He only has the gun's hammer sticking out from there. The head is pretty damn different too with those "ear" things.

I feel like I shouldn't expect otherwise from "Deathsaurus looks like a cat" and yet.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:31 AM

So going off Jim's post, the names themselves could be reused.

So damn it, Hasbro, use the name Cy-Kill for ANYTHING because that's a swanky name!

I'd be shocked if they could use Kill as any part of a kid's toy name. It would probably end up as Cy-Blast.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:33 AM

"Cyclepath" is the relatively kid friendly name I've alway had rolling around in my head.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:33 AM

Cy-Terminate.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:51 AM

At that point it's not even the Gobot name you want anymore, so why bother?


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:54 AM


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