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@  TheMightyMol... : (15 July 2019 - 01:33 PM)

So, welcome to all retail, everywhere.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 01:24 PM)

Oh, and Greenpeace also conducted a protest at a German Amazon facility, to protest against Amazon's practice of throwing customer returns in the trash.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 01:17 PM)

Right, because with Amazon, it's just the employees that have to step in dog shit while having no space to breathe.[/slightexaggeration]

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 July 2019 - 01:03 PM)

At least I can use Amazon without losing the ability to breath or step in dog shit.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 July 2019 - 12:58 PM)

Considering that Amazon is the new Walmart...

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 12:39 PM)

All of my best wishes go out to the brave women and men who have the balls (and ovaries) to go on strike at an Amazon facility in the US.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Speaking of. Not only are we in Germany on strike today, but so is the fulfillment center in Shakopee, Minnesota!

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 July 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Overnight delivery is the right of all sentient beings.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 July 2019 - 12:34 PM)

(and is it sexist of me to assume that a character named "Amazon Prime" would be feminine?)

@  RichardT1977 : (15 July 2019 - 12:34 PM)

Whenever she was summoned, she would arrive the next day?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 July 2019 - 12:32 PM)

The Scioli and Barber TF vs Joe series mentioned an Amazon Prime.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 July 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Meanwhile I'm wondering why no one's come up with a fan character named "Amazon Prime". I mean, today IS her special day...

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 July 2019 - 11:20 AM)

The Wallet-Eater.

@  unluckiness : (15 July 2019 - 08:44 AM)

Woah. Unicron broke the site.

@  MEDdMI : (14 July 2019 - 10:08 PM)

Is that what kids are calling it these days?

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2019 - 07:33 PM)

Ssshh, you'll get us both "dealt with".

@  RichardT1977 : (14 July 2019 - 07:28 PM)

No, but I did *read* it from you...

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2019 - 03:06 PM)

The first real long-term space outposts belong to the Illuminati, but you didn't hear that from me.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 July 2019 - 02:50 PM)

Er, in SF I mean.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 July 2019 - 02:50 PM)

Yeah, the first long-term manned space outposts have traditionally been mining colonies and the like.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2019 - 12:19 PM)

Okay, but......do they have to be willing to be sent up?

@  Rycochet : (14 July 2019 - 11:10 AM)

A king isn't a king without subjects.

@  Rycochet : (14 July 2019 - 11:09 AM)

The rich will never flee to space until there's enough an underclass up there so they have someone to do all the jobs they won't. Same reason seasteading never takes off.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2019 - 10:45 AM)

Do we have to let them come back?

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 July 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Well, it's only going to be the ultra-rich who are able to go for the first couple decades at least, so I doubt anyone's going to care much

@  Nevermore : (14 July 2019 - 10:32 AM)

They could be standing on the surface of the moon, insist they're in the middle of a giant set, and take off their helmet to "prove" it.

@  Nevermore : (14 July 2019 - 10:31 AM)

Assuming these are genuinely convinced conspiracy morons and not just internet trolls, I would assume "not a lot".

@  Nevermore : (14 July 2019 - 10:31 AM)

I wonder how all these recent private and international space travel programs are going to affect those craziacs who insist that the Earth is flat/the moon landing was forged/outer space isn't real etc.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 July 2019 - 09:34 AM)

Well... rory WOULD love a trebuchet...

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2019 - 09:29 AM)

Trebuchets never go out of style.

@  unluckiness : (14 July 2019 - 09:17 AM)

Have you considered a trapdoor spike pit?

@  unluckiness : (14 July 2019 - 09:17 AM)

It's not the worst gift but not evryone may want one given rising fuel prices.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 July 2019 - 08:22 AM)

Is a fire pit too literal for a house warming gift?

@  Noideaforaname : (14 July 2019 - 07:43 AM)

Welp, just realized everyone's been talking about Halle BAILEY this week, not BERRY. (so that's why i haven't been seeing CatFishWoman memes...)

@  MEDdMI : (14 July 2019 - 07:08 AM)

Oh, sounds like fun.I wonder if I have a decent mic lying around.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (13 July 2019 - 07:26 PM)

Casting call for TF Roll Out Shorts! https://www.behindth...y/casting-call/

@  Kalidor : (13 July 2019 - 03:05 PM)

Talking about the show in chat is absolutely fine - posting spoilers on anything that's current season isn't tho

@  Arazyr : (13 July 2019 - 07:05 AM)

Yeah, I'm a season or so behind, so I would definitely appreciate no spoilers. 8^)

@  Sabrblade : (12 July 2019 - 10:21 PM)

Still, though, yeah, we do have a thread for the show. Best to use it.

@  Sabrblade : (12 July 2019 - 10:20 PM)

I think Nevermore once said he was a few episodes behind, so I don't think he's talking about tonight's new episode.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (12 July 2019 - 09:53 PM)

Yeah, you realize we have a designated thread for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., right?

@  MEDdMI : (12 July 2019 - 09:35 PM)

Not that I care about the show, but I'd be pretty annoyed about spoilers there. Please post it in a thread.

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 06:05 PM)

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. The opening of the episode was a deliberate play with clichés, but unfortunately, the rest of the episode that's played straight is also riddled with them...

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:45 PM)

Also, why are they so pissed that Deke built a start-up company? What would they have preferred - him continuing being a freeloader?

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:44 PM)

But now everyone keeps picking up the idiot ball. Geez.

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:43 PM)

That's what I always loved about the show - creative ways to play with tropes and subvert them by making the characters smarter than your typical fictional character doofus.

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:43 PM)

Why is everyone suddenly genre-blind?

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:42 PM)

Wasn't it just last season when Mack was so super-genre-savvy that he insisted on NOT SPLITTING UP?

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:42 PM)

And again, too many characters acting like idiots.

@  Nevermore : (12 July 2019 - 05:41 PM)

Seriously, Agents of SHIELD? Now you're straight ripping off "Alien"?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:48 PM

 

 

What more could a girl ask for?

Forearms that are proportionate to her biceps? I'd be pretty happy with this Windblade in general if only the forearms were in proportion to the rest of the body instead of looking like an incongruous graft from the prior Generations toy. I can see Masterandy's photos are trying to downplay that with careful choices in the angles depicted, and good on him for managing that, I guess. It shouldn't have been a necessary step to start with though.Apologies if I seem to be parade-raining. I'm glad you are able to like this, and I wish I was able to see around the small things that so offend me and make me sad about this figure.

What you said got me thinking and if I could riff off this a second (but not as a criticism of anything you said!)

I've noticed in the fandom at large a lot of double standards for toys of female transformers vs male transformers. Like we get male bots all the time with weird proportions and questionable designs and they are seen as quirky and fun. Variety is good! But when it comes to the toys of female transformers suddenly proportions are scrutinized with a fine toothed comb. Outside of the louder calls of "female bodies don't look like that!" and "that mold isn't feminine enough!" and "what an ugly sculpt!" that are more common on certain other message boards there's the more subtle subconscious rejection.

This speaks at large to the ones that society views women and their bodies. A man's body is his own but a woman's body is a potential object of desire, property of everyone who sees it. This fact is beamed out across our media and has been for generations. It seeps subconsciously into every aspect of a person's worldview, including toys and yes, Transformers.

The criticisms of toys of female transformers tends to be harsher because of this. As an example Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus has a tiny pea head too, but it's written off as a quirk or played up to say how powerful and big it makes him look. Titans Return Windblade doesn't get that beneficial analysis... her head is pin headed and wrong. Her bulky upper arms couldn't possibly be extra armor plating, or perhaps just the way her arms are built because they do not line up with the human feminine ideal! Where are the criticisms of TR Bumblebee's skinny toothpick legs and big boots!?
I'll tell you where: nowhere. Because on him it's quirky and cute, a callback to G1, when male bots could look like everything and female bots didn't get toys and all looked like half naked models. Wheeljack can have long arms, Jazz and Prowl can have entire car hoods as chests, Brawn can be short and stout. These are all permissible because we are not taught to devalue and objectify men.

I mean we still haven't gotten a female transformer with a car hood chest! (yes, Generations Arcee, but it is more a robot chest that becomes part of a car hood) And that's like one of the CLASSIC Transformer designs! Female transformers get faux chests that look like boobs and have super thin model bodies. Those body types are valid but should not be the only design.

That's why I'm excited by this Windblade! Yes she still has robo boobs and is overall curvy, but at the same time her bodytype isn't really one we've gotten before? That's pretty cool!
I can't wait till we get a short 'n' chubby female bot, like Glyph (yeah she's prob always destined to be a BB repaint if she gets a new toy), a skinny and elegant lady (going across fandoms think Pearl from SU), etc, etc...

So yeah, thanks for reading, this went on a bit longer than I intended lol

PS - Back to SU, now that I think about TR Windblade reminds me of Garnet :3

 

 

Ultimately, you're spot on.

 

Speaking for myself only, what bums me out just a bit about the newest Windblade is not that she has bewbs, or that she has skinny wrists, it's that they appear so obviously tacked on (which to be fair, they are). To me it's a further extension of the problem you mention, that we get so few female molds to begin with. In this instance, we get one where it feels like they said, "Well, we gotta lady this up a bit," resulting in a lack of cohesion. They didn't do this to Nautica, and she's a great-looking bot! I know Windblade's as much a victim of the line's need for multiple repaints as anything else. The changes just have the added side-effect of making it stand out more. As for her head, it's annoying because it's an example of the gimmick hurting the figure. She has to have a Headmaster, it has to fit certain parameters, and this is the head she's stuck with.


 
 
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:51 PM

That Jumpstarter mold looks incredible, but I think I'm too attached to their G1 molds to have reasonable expectations about their detailing.

 

The only thing I don't like is the treads just hanging off the arms. 


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:29 PM

Windblade's proportions aren't bad because they're not stereotypically feminine. They're being called out because there's a noticeable difference in proportions between the new parts and the stuff from the base mold they directly attach to. Thick biceps aren't an issue if the forearms weren't sticks. A small head wouldn't be so bad if it weren't attached to a torso that had to be wide due to the base mold having a wide torso.

Look at the thighs on the toy; they're still noticeably bulky and blocky but with the way the shins taper down, it works better. That's what should have been done with the arms instead of "the last toy/the comics had thin forearms so we give her thin forearms"

Victorion's members aren't stereotypically feminine for the most part for a variety of reasons but the newly tooled parts matched the proportions of the base molds. They flow with the parts that they had to reuse in a way that TR Windblade's don't.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:47 PM

How TR Windblade's arms taper doesn't really stick out to me as that much of an incongruity.  I've seen arms like those.

 

But if it helps, you can think of them as rolled-up sweater sleeves!

 

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:59 PM

If I may offer my thoughts as someone who doesn't care for TR Windblade's TM/face sculpt and forearm/biceps...

 

 

 

What more could a girl ask for?

Forearms that are proportionate to her biceps? I'd be pretty happy with this Windblade in general if only the forearms were in proportion to the rest of the body instead of looking like an incongruous graft from the prior Generations toy. I can see Masterandy's photos are trying to downplay that with careful choices in the angles depicted, and good on him for managing that, I guess. It shouldn't have been a necessary step to start with though.Apologies if I seem to be parade-raining. I'm glad you are able to like this, and I wish I was able to see around the small things that so offend me and make me sad about this figure.

What you said got me thinking and if I could riff off this a second (but not as a criticism of anything you said!)

I've noticed in the fandom at large a lot of double standards for toys of female transformers vs male transformers. Like we get male bots all the time with weird proportions and questionable designs and they are seen as quirky and fun. Variety is good! But when it comes to the toys of female transformers suddenly proportions are scrutinized with a fine toothed comb. Outside of the louder calls of "female bodies don't look like that!" and "that mold isn't feminine enough!" and "what an ugly sculpt!" that are more common on certain other message boards there's the more subtle subconscious rejection.

This speaks at large to the ones that society views women and their bodies. A man's body is his own but a woman's body is a potential object of desire, property of everyone who sees it. This fact is beamed out across our media and has been for generations. It seeps subconsciously into every aspect of a person's worldview, including toys and yes, Transformers.

The criticisms of toys of female transformers tends to be harsher because of this. As an example Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus has a tiny pea head too, but it's written off as a quirk or played up to say how powerful and big it makes him look. Titans Return Windblade doesn't get that beneficial analysis... her head is pin headed and wrong. Her bulky upper arms couldn't possibly be extra armor plating, or perhaps just the way her arms are built because they do not line up with the human feminine ideal!

As a gay guy? I don't particularly find the female Transformers who conform to the human feminine ideal titillating. In fact I've always thought the "thigh high stripper boots" design was moronic. Ask any woman about walking in heels, and you'll realise why it would be pretty dumb to design a robot with that as her default foot design.

I'm all for female robots that have uniquely shaped bodies that don't line up with the human feminine ideal. You're right. Variety is good.

 

As far as TR Windblade goes? My problem isn't that her upper arms are too thick to be feminine. If they wanted to give her thick arms? Fine. If they wanted to give her skinnier arms? That's fine too. My issue is that they went with both. As a result? It looks like what it is. Slapping two pieces together that look like they came from two different toy sculpts. My opposition isn't in that Windblade is too thick to be feminine. It's that it just looks slapdash.

 

As I said. Variety is good. Bulky fembots are fine. Skinny fembots are fine. Fembots with weird proportions are fine. I just want the design to look coherent. This just looks like two pieces from two differently sculpted sets of tooling slapped together.

 

 

Where are the criticisms of TR Bumblebee's skinny toothpick legs and big boots!?
I'll tell you where: nowhere.

I didn't buy TR Bumblebee because his skinny toothpick legs and big boots looked like crap to me.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, I can't recall anyone expressing fondness for G1 Wheeljack's long arms, to go with one of those examples.


To be fair I would absolutely be in favor of embracing some of those G1 toy quirks in subsequent iterations, but I've always enjoyed my Transforming robots best when they're weird lookin' in some way.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:09 PM

I wonder if Transformers will ever get to that point Star Wars has hit where literally everything gets used as something down the line. Every early design, every unused concept, every rejected trading card...

 

 

.... did Ask Vector Prime or whatever ever canonized stuff like Ironhide's original toy? Not do that thing where they take his cartoon design and plop the windshield in front of his face, I mean is there "officially" this weird ass squat little TV-screen-for-a-face goofball running around there somewhere in the universe? If not then they've failed  f o r e v e r.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:17 PM

I wish Ask Vector Prime used female G1 Ratchet in a story post.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:24 AM

I wonder if Transformers will ever get to that point Star Wars has hit where literally everything gets used as something down the line. Every early design, every unused concept, every rejected trading card...

 

 

.... did Ask Vector Prime or whatever ever canonized stuff like Ironhide's original toy? Not do that thing where they take his cartoon design and plop the windshield in front of his face, I mean is there "officially" this weird ass squat little TV-screen-for-a-face goofball running around there somewhere in the universe? If not then they've failed  f o r e v e r.

The earliest Marvel G1 comic issues used Ironhide's toy design before it switched to using his cartoon-based design, so Ironhide at least looked like his toy in those earliest issues.

 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:49 AM

He also looked like that in Ladybirds storybooks:

 

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Find Your Fate Jr:

 

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And any other minor licensed works that were based on toys or packaging art.


Ask Vector Prime didn't have to create universes where Ironhide looked like that, 'cuz those universes already existed.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:57 AM

I do like that nearly all of these guys have some of the strongest personalities among the 1984-o-bots, maybe with the exception of Windcharger.

"Magnets" is a personality, right?

Something something magnetic personality joke


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:37 AM

He also looked like that in Ladybirds storybooks:

 

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And any other minor licensed works that were based on toys or packaging art.

 

I hope you're not implying that Ladybird Books was minor!

Obviously the universe where the Decepticons were terrified and confused by a Windmill is one of the cornerstones of the multiverse.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:07 AM

It had zero magnetic signature! ZERO MAGNETIC SIGNATURE!



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:09 AM

I really need to get arou nd to collecting the Ladybird books. It's the continuity where I think Quickmix wins the war.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:35 AM

Early fiction using toy designs isn't quite what I was talking about. Ironhide *as a general character* has been retconned away from there, while Chewbacca's original design's been reused for Zeb in Rebels. I want to see those goofy robits reurposed as new guys now.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:11 AM

Going by Star Wars, they did make a comic based on early drafts of the original movie, and release toy of early McQuarrie designs, so it's understandable to interpret alternate universes where everything looks kinda weird as fitting the Star Wars comparison.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

My opposition isn't in that Windblade is too thick to be feminine. It's that it just looks slapdash.

 

:rolleyes  It does not. Slapdash is a race car. Do you even G1?



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:02 AM

TFW2005 has a pretty good gallery of Twintwist. 

 

http://news.tfw2005....d-342063#images

 

It definitely looks like a great update for one of my favorite G1 toys. I am hopeful that I will be able to find this in stores and not have it get lost in the sea of what I refer to as "Last Wave" syndrome. That is where stores just don't order the last wave of figures as they are moving on to the next toyline and all you can find is toys that are two or three waves old if anything. 


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