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@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (06 July 2020 - 11:18 AM)

Oof-

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

I got Studio Series 39 Cogman yesterday and woke up to find he'd decapitated my titans returns figures.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 July 2020 - 10:19 PM)

If I had a sarcasm powered mouth.. ooohh waaaiiittt...

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 05:01 PM)

Heh

@  Bass X0 : (04 July 2020 - 02:56 PM)

"If I had sarcasm-powered legs, I'd do a happy dance...!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 July 2020 - 02:39 PM)

The real clones were the friends we made along the way.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 01:47 PM)

So the Emperor in episodes 1 through 6 was a clone?

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:47 AM)

(And the 0th anniversary of the last time I couldn't do math.)

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Today is the 24th anniversary of the day we fought off an alien invasion with the help of Will Smith.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 10:41 AM)

Oh the end of the Ottoman Empire of course.

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 10:14 AM)

*ahem* 4th of July....

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 08:14 AM)

Nothing of importance has happened before, and nothing of importance will happen again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Nothing of importance happened today.

@  Telly : (03 July 2020 - 09:54 PM)

i want a "i survived 'rona and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 July 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Slogan for 2021: "I Lived, Bitch."

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

They should make the next book in the Survivors series 'I SURVIVED CORONA VIRUS 2020'

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

YEEEE I'M A SURVIVOR-

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.


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#281 Creedence

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:56 PM

people like $325 surprises right????

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:01 PM

It has "I couldn't figure out how else to spend my money" tampographed in gold across the chest.  



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:02 PM

They decided that it had worked well enough with the subscriptions that they could roll it in to the mainstream.

I doubt it'll even amount to a swapped color sprue, I'm envisioning modified paint deco. On that podcast Pete said the troop builder set this year would be less expensive. The most obvious way to accomplish that is by selling a three pack of Legends instead of Deluxes, and the gold ticket Legend will probably be the same thing but with "squad leader" deco of some kind.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:07 PM

 

Personally, the way alternative version reads, it's just a slight redecoed version of one of the toys you can already get.

 

(I'd laugh if it was basically the whole Onyx Primal thing again.)

 

I'm assuming it's like a mold sprue share or something that isn't that all that desirable otherwise so I'm fine passing on it.

 

Now if it was say Bad Boy from Legends Powerglide I might be tempted.

 

Odd they'll tell us what's in the $399 set but expect us to shell out for $325 for a single Legend (and priority seating!) sight unseen.

 

 This is an added bonus on TOP of everything else that has come with the GT for the last few years. People have paid for the GT without even having the toy. Up to people if they want to go for it, but GT is about more than this figure. I realize though for some, it will be mainly about this figure. 



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:21 PM

That's one way to ratchet up the after-market value of your product.

 

GT is limited to 100 people, right? That means this toy will be LE 100 as well. I mean, that's not QUITE lucky draw territory, but it does make it pretty ridiculously rare.



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:37 PM

110. Yes, I know it's only 10 more...

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:53 PM

110. Yes, I know it's only 10 more...

 

I mean... If you want to get technical, that's a 10% increase in availability. Yay?



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:24 PM

To then make it only available via some $400 add-on (like they're doing this year), or to have so many that their average attendee can't afford all of them just seems mean.
 
I mean, you can argue that I shouldn't expect to be able to secure a toy for every character I love (even if one is available), but that's hardly compulsion or feeling entitled.


I hate to break it to you, but the expectation of being able to secure that toy -- and holding your inability to do so against them (just seems mean) is not without a sense of entitlement. It's one thing to be disappointed that you can't get Toy X (I've been there with FP), and it's another to argue against the way Toy X is made and sold because of it.

If as you say they make Character X desirable enough to want a Toy of (which happens to be in the set), then they've done their job both as storytellers and promoters obliged to market the set. The fact that some can't afford Toy X doesn't and should not factor into their thought process at all. There will always be people who can't secure it one way or the other because of the realities of the process.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:50 PM

This thread simultaneously makes me realize I'll miss most of FP's toy design choices and pretty much none of their business practices.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:01 PM

If as you say they make Character X desirable enough to want a Toy of (which happens to be in the set), then they've done their job both as storytellers and promoters obliged to market the set. The fact that some can't afford Toy X doesn't and should not factor into their thought process at all. There will always be people who can't secure it one way or the other because of the realities of the process.

I'd love a set of Squadron X, the Scavengers, the Wreckers, and the DJD.

Making a $5000 set of all that available for three days at one location that quite probably necessitates another $500 in travel and lodging expenses would not (I think we can agree) be a good business decision.

There is a point of diminishing returns even if we all don't agree when that point is.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:08 PM

I'd really rather they just tell me what the Golden Ticket exclusive is, since I was kind of on the fence (that "no autographs" bit kind of stings) and this has a tiny chance of pushing me over.  But if you don't tell me, it kind of just annoys me.  As has always been the case with FP's goofy surprise fixation.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:09 PM

 

To then make it only available via some $400 add-on (like they're doing this year), or to have so many that their average attendee can't afford all of them just seems mean.
 
I mean, you can argue that I shouldn't expect to be able to secure a toy for every character I love (even if one is available), but that's hardly compulsion or feeling entitled.


I hate to break it to you, but the expectation of being able to secure that toy -- and holding your inability to do so against them (just seems mean) is not without a sense of entitlement. It's one thing to be disappointed that you can't get Toy X (I've been there with FP), and it's another to argue against the way Toy X is made and sold because of it.

If as you say they make Character X desirable enough to want a Toy of (which happens to be in the set), then they've done their job both as storytellers and promoters obliged to market the set. The fact that some can't afford Toy X doesn't and should not factor into their thought process at all. There will always be people who can't secure it one way or the other because of the realities of the process.

 

 

That's fair, I guess. Let's approach this from another angle.

 

It's in FuP's best interest to sell as many of these as possible, right? They don't create characters just to create them; they create them to entice people to pay for toys of them. Let's assume they do this job well, and that there are a relatively stable number of people who will buy their toys in a given year. Well, we've seen a large number of these exclusives not sell out in recent years. That suggests, to me, that they have either: a) failed to entice people into buying their toys or b) produced so many toys for a high enough price that their core consumer target can't afford to purchase all of them (even if they want to). In reality, it's probably a combination of both. Regardless, having unsold toys at the end is definitely a worse situation for FuP than selling fewer toys than they theoretically could have; after all, they've paid for those unsold toys up front. My flippancy ("that's just mean") aside, their business goal is to try to hit that sweet spot: create/sell just enough toys that they could not have sold a single toy more, while also leaving no toy unsold. Clearly they've been over-shooting that goal.

 

That brings up the question of why. Pete himself recently acknowledged that fans simply have more to spend their money on these days. That suggests, tacitly, a recognition that the value proposition for FuP exclusives has changed. They are not worth what they once were to FuP's core consumer. These days, the cost of a FuP repaint is about the same as many brand new 3P toys, and Hasbro is putting out a HUGE amount of collector-facing product at higher and higher prices. FuP's core consumers are being pulled in multiple directions, and their other options are worth more to them than FuP's exclusives.

 

In such a situation, FuP has two options: increase the value provided by their products (which, in most cases, involves adding additional cost to the offering, thereby lowering FuP's margin) or decrease the price of their products (which also decreases their margin). Another way they can accomplish essentially the same thing, in the mind of many of their target consumers, is to spread the cost of their offerings out to lessen the immediate impact on their wallet. This, I'd suggest, is the reason that the TFSS, membership fee, and annual exclusives exist in addition to Botcon: by offering those products bit by bit over the course of the year, they make it easier for consumers to afford the total "package" of products they offer. Kind of like a payment plan.

 

I'd argue that the failure of recent Botcon sets to sell out suggests that they haven't quite balanced this "payment plan" correctly in the face of changing consumer willingness to pay. If that theory is correct, decreasing the number of toys they sell at Botcon would actually increase their over-all profit by decreasing the unnecessary costs of marketing, designing, and producing toys that (enough of) their target consumers can't buy anyways.

 

The TLDR is basically that your argument is only sound if MOST of FuP's target consumers can afford to buy all or most of the product they produce (That would make me just salty because I'm one of the few who can't; not that it's anyone's business, but I can...). The evidence we have suggests that's not true. Of course, this entire post assumes FuP has done a good job of developing product their consumers want, but if they haven't accomplished that either... Then, well, producing as many toys as they have been still doesn't make business sense. The tired "produce a bunch of different toys so there's something for everyone" is simply bad business sense.

 

(EDIT: It's bad business sense because there are start-up costs involved with producing an additional exclusive toy; if you produce fewer of each toy because each toy is targeted at a certain market which will not be buying the other toys, you're going to make less money on ALL the toys than if you simply made a single toy that was a "crowd-pleaser". That's why Hasbro does what they do.)


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:21 PM

This other angle makes more sense to me.


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#294 M Sipher

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:57 PM

It's almost like the answer is somewhere in the middle or something.

 

Look, 3H's exclusive numbers are simply not something a TF convention can actually work with at this point. The franchise is too damn big. Back when we only got 20~30 toys a year, two more was a big damn deal. And I'd also like to point out that 3H was pushing more and bigger toys in its final years as the franchise was growing at retail.

 

In the post-movie era of hundreds of products a year at retail, much easier access to imports, and a large amount of collector-aimed stuff both domestic and import, two-ish con exclusives just will. Not. Cut it. Especially when Hasbro's putting out 6-figure box sets for Comic-Cons. So a box set of five/six figures is a bit of a bare minimum, and that's before getting into the specifics of what they actually are.

 

How much more AFTER that box set is healthy for both fans and the producers, though, I think there's room for reasoned debate.

 

 

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:11 AM

It's almost like the answer is somewhere in the middle or something.

 

Look, 3H's exclusive numbers are simply not something a TF convention can actually work with at this point. The franchise is too damn big. Back when we only got 20~30 toys a year, two more was a big damn deal. And I'd also like to point out that 3H was pushing more and bigger toys in its final years as the franchise was growing at retail.

 

In the post-movie era of hundreds of products a year at retail, much easier access to imports, and a large amount of collector-aimed stuff both domestic and import, two-ish con exclusives just will. Not. Cut it. Especially when Hasbro's putting out 6-figure box sets for Comic-Cons. So a box set of five/six figures is a bit of a bare minimum, and that's before getting into the specifics of what they actually are.

 

How much more AFTER that box set is healthy for both fans and the producers, though, I think there's room for reasoned debate.

 

 

M "Not To Mention The Nature/Price Tag Of Such" Sipher

 

Could you explain why the fact that there are more TF toys on the market today means that Botcon MUST have MORE toys than it used to have? I'm afraid I don't see the connection.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:46 AM

I'm wondering if there's a minimum amount of things to be produced before it becomes worthwhile for the factory or some such.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:56 AM

"Pete himself recently acknowledged that fans simply have more to spend their money on these days. That suggests, tacitly, a recognition that the value proposition for FuP exclusives has changed. They are not worth what they once were to FuP's core consumer. These days, the cost of a FuP repaint is about the same as many brand new 3P toys, and Hasbro is putting out a HUGE amount of collector-facing product at higher and higher prices. FuP's core consumers are being pulled in multiple directions, and their other options are worth more to them than FuP's exclusives."

 

Sound familiar?

 

There's more out there to catch buyers' attentions (and $), and the odds of coming up with even one or two sure-fire everyone-must-get-everyone-will-love ideas that will distract from all that is... iffy, to put it charitably, especially with Hasbro and Takara's output. When goddamn new-mold MTMTE Magnus and Metroplex and Devastator and its ilk are happening, there's only so much comparative draw to a handful of new toolings on redecoes.

 

On an individual figure basis, there is SO MUCH out there just at normal retail, never mind the numerous Japanese limited mailaways and whatnot, PLUS the ridiculous not-Transformers-wink-wink market, that trying to gain hype with just one or two recycled-mold toys is... well, nigh suicide for an outside contractor. It's a risk Hasbro and Takara can swallow if it doesn't work (I can't imagine Dogfight is really gonna be that hot an item), there's loads elsewhere to make up for that.

 

Not so much for FP or 3H.

 

So while FP always TRIES to find some "centerpiece" that they think will wow the largest amount of people, it's a far safer bet to couple that goal with casting a broader net and working with a "theme", aiming to get a good grouping of toys that maybe won't light the world on fire individually, but will really appeal as a group... plus there's the "all in one go" purchase appeal. It feels GOOD to get a bunch of toys at once.

 

 

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:16 AM

Meanwhile, if Fun Pub goes under and BotCon comes to an end, there will be zero of these kinds of exclusives to deal with in the future, and with the amount of product offered from all of the venues Sipher mentioned, the Transformers can still thrive and survive without these kinds of exclusives. So even if it's 12 figures or 0 figures, they really don't seem to matter all that much in the grander scheme of things.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:54 AM

To celebrate being the last BotCon, the Golden Ticket exclusive will just be this year's Onyx Primal exclusive with a gold stamp on it.



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Posted 20 January 2016 - 03:42 AM

 

shoulders why they hurt

 

FTFY

 

 

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