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@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:41 AM)

Like, in general, not going into specific bands or covers. Because I could point out plenty of repainted toys I didn't like as much as the original, too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:39 AM)

Is a musician covering a song "fixing" it?

@  Nevermore : (17 May 2021 - 05:15 AM)

So, then, isn't redecoing or retooling an existing toy also "fixing" someone else's art?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

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English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

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English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

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English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

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English needs to revive bort in everyday text

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English needs to revive bork in everyday text

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@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.


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#241 ExVee

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:14 PM

If because there's so much exclusives that it's not financially viable to be able to obtain all of them, then that person is losing out on some experience of the convention.

 
I find it ludicrous that someone would feel like their experience was lacking because they couldn't get ALL THE TOYS. 
 
If they made 2 toys, and you got both of them, your experience is the same as if they made 12 toys but you only got two of them.
 
You still have the same two toys. The only difference is that you don't get to say "I got everything." 

And, well, if that's really that important to you...deal with it, I guess?
 
Edit: Not to mention it's Fun Pub's job to incentivize you to go for the biggest package and spend the most money. They want your money. That's how it works.


Sure, 100% of two total toys or 16% of twelve total toys is exactly identical since in both cases you get two toys. That's perfectly sound reasoning, thank you, Spectre!

Look, I don't personally give a shit since any given year there's at best a small handful of toys that interest me at all. I think 2007 and 2010 are the only years where I wanted a majority of the total offerings. In the time since, I got one 2010 toy, and one from 2007 which I later sold when a better option for the character became available. But just because my way to experience the convention and your experience of going to the convention differ from that of a person who feels the toys are a necessary aspect of their full experience, doesn't give either of us the right to dismiss that perspective or call it wrong. Disagree with Zac - I do. But I get where he's coming from and I'm not going to act like he's doing some great wrong for thinking the way he does about this.

As for incentivizing, sure. But Protoform is $200 already, and I'd be surprised if there's a ton of profit happening on those toy sets for the extra $200 they add. The attending package should be one base purchase that gets you the panels, the dealer room, options to buy tours or a toy building class or attend the dinner. The box set should also be an added option, not a tier unto itself. But the point is that everything going on should be available to anyone who wants to attend and chooses to preregister, without the requirement of buying the toys.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:15 PM

 

 

Well, this a dumb question to ask, but it's been bugging me.  

 

Has anyone asked whether or not this is the last Botcon? I mean, has anyone gotten an official statement (even if it's just "no comment") from Fun Pub regarding the whole "last Botcon" rumor?  I'm really tempted to get this set, and it would be a bit nice to know whether this will be the last chance to have a Botcon-styled set (unless Cybertron Con is pretty much the same as Botcon).

 

It's all just circumstantial evidence at this point; club memberships terminating early, no drawing for free admission next year, Brian's phrasing when thanking everyone for the support the past 12 years. There's no official statement yet.

 

 

 

Well, this a dumb question to ask, but it's been bugging me.  

 

Has anyone asked whether or not this is the last Botcon? I mean, has anyone gotten an official statement (even if it's just "no comment") from Fun Pub regarding the whole "last Botcon" rumor?  I'm really tempted to get this set, and it would be a bit nice to know whether this will be the last chance to have a Botcon-styled set (unless Cybertron Con is pretty much the same as Botcon).

They haven't said anything, probably because they can't.  Everything said has been a "no comment" kind of statement.  Which makes most people believe it is based on that and the fact that both the TCC and Joe Club are expiring (regardless of when you sign up) at the end of 2016.

 

 

Ah, I see.  Sure would be nice if there was some sort of confirmation.  Thanks for the help!

 

 

 

That's probably dependent on Hasbro, and if Hasbro doesn't say they can say anything, then they have to keep mum about it.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:16 PM

(not that I can actually buy any of the figures I want.)



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:16 PM

IIRC the Welker passes were opened up to other types of packages / attendees later on.

 

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#245 ExVee

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:18 PM

IIRC the Welker passes were opened up to other types of packages / attendees later on.
 
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Yeah, I believe you're right. That's why I noted "at the time the thing was made". :)

#246 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:20 PM

Wow. A couple guys are kinda being huge dicks about the fact that some people would enjoy a different convention experience than you do.

I mean it's great if you enjoy a super expensive con where almost no one can afford nearly everything. I mean that. If you enjoy that, cool. Of course I could pic a few things and if I went I would, but I'd like the Con a lot better if that wasn't the choice.

Personally I would find a smaller Con with lower price and fewer exclusives that I could easily get a set of MUCH more enjoyable and fulfilling.

That's all. On the whole I find the kind of Con and exclusives we had many years ago under 3H far more enjoyable than the modern cash cow. Consider it personal taste.


-ZacWilliam, I don't blame them for "printing money" by making four score toys but I don't find it attractive or fun either.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:21 PM

I'm glad they make so many figures, myself.

 

I mean, using last year as an example: I couldn't care less about Diaclone, but the Movie Megatron and Oilmaster figures and the G2 Auto Roller Autobots? I want those very much.

 

Yeah, doing such a large number of figures means a greater chance of getting the so-called "left field" guys, which they wouldn't otherwise do if they were playing it safer with a much smaller set narrowed down to the likely most-popular choices.  I'm here for the crazy.  



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:24 PM

 

 

If because there's so much exclusives that it's not financially viable to be able to obtain all of them, then that person is losing out on some experience of the convention.

 
I find it ludicrous that someone would feel like their experience was lacking because they couldn't get ALL THE TOYS. 
 
If they made 2 toys, and you got both of them, your experience is the same as if they made 12 toys but you only got two of them.
 
You still have the same two toys. The only difference is that you don't get to say "I got everything." 

And, well, if that's really that important to you...deal with it, I guess?
 
Edit: Not to mention it's Fun Pub's job to incentivize you to go for the biggest package and spend the most money. They want your money. That's how it works.

 


Sure, 100% of two total toys or 16% of twelve total toys is exactly identical since in both cases you get two toys. That's perfectly sound reasoning, thank you, Spectre!

 

It's only meaningfully different if you feel the compulsion to have everything. In which case, no, obviously they are not the same. 

 

But if you are compelled to have everything and can't afford it, and you want Fun Pub to make fewer things just so you can say you got the whole set?

 

That's an argument and a perspective I cannot get behind. 



#249 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:39 PM


No one asked you to.

-ZacWilliam, people CAN like different things or types of experiences.
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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:42 PM

If you don't want people to discuss and disagree with your opinion, then maybe stop posting in forums?

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#251 ExVee

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:45 PM

You know, there are definitely aspects of the Fun Pub model that I think could and ought to be changed. It probably won't matter at all next year anyway. Even if it did, I'm not sure that cutting the number of toys made should be one of those changes. I myself have no issue with x number of toys existing and only having the opportunity to get a very small few. When it comes down to it, you and I are on close to the same page here, Spectre. But Zac's point of view is valid even if we don't agree with it. If you won't try to see it from his side or can't understand that the toys might hold more importance to the overall experience for him than it does for you, I ask only that you accept that difference and let it go, instead of ridiculing it and trying to pressure him to see it your way.

Please? :D

If you don't want people to discuss and disagree with your opinion, then maybe stop posting in forums?


I'm not gonna speak for Zac, but the reason I got involved in this was because I didn't like that Zac was being responded to in a way that I saw as being incredibly disrespectful. Just because in posting we open ourselves to people possibly expressing disagreement with our own thoughts and beliefs doesn't mean that we have to accept that regardless of the form it takes. It isn't what got said, it's the way it was said.

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#252 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:56 PM


This.

Also I never said I had any problem with discussing this or didn't want anyone to have a different opinion. In fact if you go look I said exactly the opposite of that.

-ZacWilliam, I said I didn't ask him to agree with me and he's welcome to feel different. Repeatedly. Some people really want to act like dicks sometimes
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#253 MrBlud

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:56 PM

Personally I'd be fine with the box set model.

A nice cross section of five or so toys so you can do some off the wall stuff.

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#254 Creedence

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:56 PM

*shrug*

Part of social interaction is opening up yourself to the potential that people are going to think your opinions are silly and be blunt about it. Zac has been guilty of this in the past, so I'm not really going to feel bad for him in this instance.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:59 PM


The feeling is mutual. :)

-ZacWilliam, and again I never asked anyone to agree or not discuss it, just positing it as just as valid opinion as "more toys are good" and I stand by that.
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#256 Jenny

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:01 PM

I'm not going to feel bad for someone being abrasive.



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:14 PM

Well, one of us was challenging the other's perspective and one of us called the other one a dick, so...

 

You do you, I guess.  



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:18 PM

Something interesting that I'm not sure was announced, just a (not final, I believe) figure image for Ravage:

 

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#259 Creedence

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:21 PM

The :3 face actually makes this more appealing to me.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:25 PM

shoulders why

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