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@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:42 PM)

His one shots and two or three parters are great. But...Dark Age got a little long in the tooth. Not bad, but not my favorite.

@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:40 PM)

For me, it's less the delay, and more that Astro City is always best in smaller chunks. The longer story arcs (which is what the OGNs sound like they're aiming for), while not bad, are far from the high points of the series.

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:52 AM)

The recent ongoing series didn't start until what, 2013?

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:51 AM)

Then was continued as a five-issue mini-series ("Local Heroes"), then came a 16-issue maxi-series ("The Dark Age"), plus a couple of standalone specials and two-parters...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:50 AM)

It started out as a series, but due to Busiek's health problems (?), it was put on hold after six issues, then got relaunched with a new #1, had several delays (again because of Busiek's health issues), was discontinued after #22...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:49 AM)

I don't get why people are making such a big deal out of Astro City becoming a series of graphic novels now. I mean, it's not like it's always been a steady ongoing series.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I'm also only reading the trades. So I'm still missing... two volumes that are currently only available as hardcovers? Three?

@  Trpodeca : (17 January 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Astro City is great. Since I only read the trades, there probably won't be a big change for me.

@  ZakuConvoy : (17 January 2019 - 05:34 PM)

I have. Great series. Hopefully the transition to OGNs will be a smooth one.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 07:20 AM)

Anyone here reading Kurt Busiek's Astro City?

@  Verity Carlo : (16 January 2019 - 01:12 PM)

https://sites.google...ations---part-1awwwww shit

@  Benbot : (16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Remember the Noid? He steals pizzas!

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:47 AM)

That said, the old "Nester" character from Nintendo Power IS owned by Nintendo, and I could see a homage in there

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:46 AM)

Because technically DiC created the character, Nintendo does not own him.

@  Paladin : (16 January 2019 - 10:28 AM)

sidebar- why is "Captain N" not in Smash yet? that seems like such an easy option.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2019 - 09:18 AM)

The 90's mario cartoons had exactly three character aspects to work with: fat, italian and plumber. He wasn't exactly wrenching pipes in every episode, so they had to do something...

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2019 - 07:31 AM)

It's in another castle.

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:24 AM)

i HOpE sHe mADe LotSA SPAGHETTI

@  Locoman : (16 January 2019 - 06:17 AM)

Mario, wherever you are, HEEEEEEEELP!

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:07 AM)

That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario *wheeze*

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2019 - 02:24 AM)

It's too hot here.

@  Echowarrior : (15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM)

I liked the Super Mario Brothers Super Show the best myself.

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There's always the three Mario cartoons DiC made back in the 80s.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 09:48 PM)

So they could make a show that everyone would scream was an adventure time knockoff? I get what you're saying, but I can't see it being well received.

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 12:33 PM

That's how I connected the dots.  Even though they're living in something of a society now, they still have the defensive mechanisms that evolved when they were wild game.



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 01:24 PM

For that matter, it's possible the Ba'ul "domesticated" the Kelpiens (as opposed to that being a "natural" Kelpien village that the Ba'ul simply rolled into and took over).

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 12:26 AM

New Season 2 trailer for the U.S.:



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Posted 14 December 2018 - 03:32 PM

I'm feeling pretty good about Ethan Peck's Spock.



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Posted 14 December 2018 - 05:04 PM

Unfortunately, i've got the opposite reaction. I just do not take to him at all.

The beard does not help either.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 12:43 AM

Having thought Burnham's "Spock needs help" line in the earlier trailer reeked of condescension, I'm glad Spock said in this trailer, "Not everything is your responsibility!"


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Posted 15 December 2018 - 10:10 AM

Serious question - what does one all get with an All Access subscription? Outside Discovery related content, I mean.

 

Yeah, Season 1 didn't grab me, but Season 2 just might.


Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

Having thought Burnham's "Spock needs help" line in the earlier trailer reeked of condescension, I'm glad Spock said in this trailer, "Not everything is your responsibility!"

I really hope she follows that up with "Very well then, we can beam you back into the anomaly."

(After what Desperate Hours established about their relationship, I'd love to see some brother/sister snark between them.)

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 03:11 PM

Serious question - what does one all get with an All Access subscription? Outside Discovery related content, I mean.

 

Yeah, Season 1 didn't grab me, but Season 2 just might.

 

Looks like live streaming and the back catalog of CBS programming (not limited to the five most recent episodes of current shows like the regular .com).


 
 
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 02:08 PM

I resubscribed to CBS AA this weekend (through Amazon this time, not that it seems to matter) and started rewatching season 1.  I wanted to see it again before season 2.  In the first episode, Saru says that his people are treated like livestock, so there's no contradiction with the Short Trek.

 

It's kind of fun to watch it again, knowing what I know about Lorca.  I'm generally feeling more forgiving about the show's flaws now for some reason.  Maybe because now I'm confident that I like it and I'm not nervously waiting on edge for some big thing to destroy my enjoyment.



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Posted 17 December 2018 - 02:24 PM

Speaking for myself, I enjoyed the season. If it wasn't for the not-Klingons (and, no, I will never be convinced that those are Klingons. They don't look like them, and don't really even act like them... where was the honor?), I really wouldn't have any meaningful complaints. (I do think the subtitling was excessive. Whether or not that counts as "meaningful" I leave to others)


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 09:22 PM

 where was the honor?

 

I've covered this earlier, but the honest truth of the matter is Klingon honor isn't a thing outside Klingon Weeaboos like Worf. It's less a cultural thing and more a post-Khitomer rebranding ("Come, experience the new, softer, nicer Klingon Empire. Please trade us the basic commodities that our gross mishandling of our own industrial base make us incapable of producing for ourselves!"). Discommendations were less about the honor aspect and more about asserting political dominance - not just killing a rival, but making them totally beneath you.

 

While I've not seen the first season for myself, from what I gather via summaries is that a lot of the Klingon side of the story revolved around covert, clandestine agents and political maneuvering.

 

I mean, Arne Darvin ("The Trouble with Tribbles/Trials and Tribble-ations") and the whole story plot of the Duras family are pretty much straight up examples of all of that. So it's hardly out of character for them to be a bit more Machiavellian and cut throat.


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 10:13 PM

Yeah, the Klingons' behaviour was fine, it was just the needless (and worse, performance-killing) makeup redesign that ruined it.

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 01:37 PM

TOS Klingons were mostly generic mustache-twirling villains.  There was very little information given about Klingon culture.  23rd century Klingon culture is largely a blank slate, which Discovery is writing on.  Certainly a culture can evolve a lot in a century even without a major event like the destruction of Praxis.

 

I won't argue about the Klingon make-up.  I'm not a fan and I'm glad that they seem to be moving back in a more familiar direction with season 2.  L'Rell's new look is much easier to accept.



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Posted 18 December 2018 - 05:50 PM

 

 where was the honor?

 

I've covered this earlier, but the honest truth of the matter is Klingon honor isn't a thing outside Klingon Weeaboos like Worf. It's less a cultural thing and more a post-Khitomer rebranding ("Come, experience the new, softer, nicer Klingon Empire. Please trade us the basic commodities that our gross mishandling of our own industrial base make us incapable of producing for ourselves!"). Discommendations were less about the honor aspect and more about asserting political dominance - not just killing a rival, but making them totally beneath you.

 

While I've not seen the first season for myself, from what I gather via summaries is that a lot of the Klingon side of the story revolved around covert, clandestine agents and political maneuvering.

 

I mean, Arne Darvin ("The Trouble with Tribbles/Trials and Tribble-ations") and the whole story plot of the Duras family are pretty much straight up examples of all of that. So it's hardly out of character for them to be a bit more Machiavellian and cut throat.

 

 

If you'd seen the first season of Discovery, I think you'd find your explanation doesn't hold water. While TNG-era Klingons often fell short of their ideals, they still TALKED about honor a lot. A HUGE amount. This was almost (but not quite entirely) absent from Discovery, despite a significant amount of (subtitled) story straight from the (so-called) Klingon POV.

 

For those who want to argue that, this being pre-TOS, the culture might be different... we'll have to see. If Enterprise can make their Vulcans work (if you squint), then I'm sure Discovery can do the same with Klingon culture.


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 05:55 AM

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 10:30 AM

The post-Enterprise Rise of the Federation novels that I've alluded to before establish that:

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In DSC, the High Council has completely lost power, and T'Kuvma/Voq/L'Rell are a faction trying to use Kahless' tradition to restore the Empire. It would've been cool to justify their look as an attempt at undoing the Qu'Vat virus (via genetic modification), thereby justifying T'Kuvma's whole messianic complex as Kahless Reborn.

What we should've seen is that effort being corrupted either by Hem'Quch, believing that it was their right to lead the Empire, or QuchHa' factions, all angling for their own power. Instead, all we got was Kol (who should've been a QuchHa', justifying his relationship to the Kor seen on TOS/DS9 [possibly a brother or cousin, given their ages]), with his paper-thin power grab for his House.

(This would also have retroactively added some hypocritical irony to Kor's own character, given that he [a QuchHa'] was known to come down on other Klingons who "lacked noble blood.")

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:48 AM

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.

Wasn't talking about them, so I'm not sure what you're saying.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 01:02 PM

They're all unemployed.



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Posted 24 December 2018 - 09:13 AM

 

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.

Wasn't talking about them, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

 

 

I'm saying that the 3 Vulcans I've seen in Discovery don't feel like Vulcans to me.

 

Edit - This Spock fellow isn't a Vulcan, as far as my experience tells me.  He certainly isn't the Spock that we've seen hours and hours of for the last 50 years.  It just isn't the same guy at all.


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