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@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 04:49 PM)

a minivan which NOW sounds like it's on it's last legs. Christ, why is everything breaking now?!?!?

@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 02:45 PM)

He's willing, but it's our parents minivan, and I'm half the labour.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 March 2021 - 02:34 PM)

Like anything; if they're willing to haul it away it's theirs.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 March 2021 - 12:44 PM)

And now my brother wants the old fridge, so instead of letting the delivery folk deal with it, I need to move it.

@  NovaSaber : (04 March 2021 - 11:53 AM)

I take objection to the idea that public health is "politics" just because some politicians don't listen to the experts.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:59 AM)

I was only replying to the general sentiment of the last three posts before mine.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:58 AM)

The person you replied to specifically gave the example of "limiting the amount of people in a facility".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:58 AM)

This wasn't about "lock[ing] everyone in the country down".

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:57 AM)

All I'm saying is there are lockdown and anti-lockdown people and hashing it out in the shoutbox on a toy forum is dumb.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:56 AM)

You don't have to lock everyone in the country down to mitigate risks in one population.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:56 AM)

Of course older people have it worse, but America is one of those countries where people ship their old people to homes far away from the action anyways.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:55 AM)

What ar you even trying to say, anyway? That we shouldn't complain about others increasing the danger more than necessary?

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:55 AM)

Frankly, there's a lot to say on this issue that can't be encompassed on the shoutbox and I really really don't want to have to deal with politics every single time I check the forums.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:54 AM)

To claim that this is about the people in the 20-40 range is also disingenuous.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:53 AM)

Essential workers and such are pretty fit on average which is an extra boon for them.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:51 AM)

It's not really a personal choice issue, it's a risk versus well, anything you want to do issue. Literally leaving the house results in potential exposure, mask or no. Overall, most of us who hang out here are 20-40, and our survival rate is comparable with some pretty out there statistics.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:39 AM)

Anybody who has to go out because of work or groceries or whatever can't just choose to avoid any potential disease-spreaders, for one thing.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (04 March 2021 - 10:38 AM)

Kind of disingenuous to frame this as just a personal choice issue.

@  fourteenwings : (04 March 2021 - 10:22 AM)

This whole "I can't handle people not me having the choice to not put on masks" thing's a bit much.

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 March 2021 - 09:14 AM)

Hey, Florida is one of the most infected states, and we won't even shut down. We may use masks, but restaurants, clubs, you name it, those are still wide open. Also, what's limiting the amount of people in a facility again? :p

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 March 2021 - 08:57 PM)

Oklahoma is right there, apparently. Dang bible belt. Nice people, but not the smartest cookies I've seen.

@  Hg Dragon : (03 March 2021 - 08:52 PM)

Don't worry! COME TO TEXAS WHERE OUR IDIOT GOVENOR DECALRED THE STATE 100% OPEN AND ENDED THE MASK MANDATE!!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 04:21 PM)

Beyond just the not even being able to walk into most stores

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 04:21 PM)

No kidding, but right now: unless it's physically on the shelf in front of you: there's no clear idea when it'll be available. And that goes for just about everything.

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 04:18 PM)

I've heard new appliances are hard to get, for some reason

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 04:13 PM)

And the new one we settled on is backlogged up to two months. Even better.

@  TM2-Megatron : (03 March 2021 - 11:59 AM)

I mean, it's not all bad. Disney's releasing Speed remastered on 4K

@  wonko the sane? : (03 March 2021 - 08:48 AM)

And now the fridge has died. So far 2021 has been WONDERFUL.

@  Hg Dragon : (01 March 2021 - 08:49 PM)

I'm upset I can't "Like" a shout...

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2021 - 09:39 AM)

The US election? *rimshot*

@  Paladin : (28 February 2021 - 09:19 AM)

WHICH 2016 clown panic?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 February 2021 - 07:22 AM)

Didn't that come right after the 2016 clown panic? No way to make clowns not disturbing at the time, surely.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:26 AM)

The clown guise is supposed to lure kids in, it's no good if it looks sus in one glance.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:15 AM)

The new one tries too hard to be unsettling from the start. Curry's look is just a plain old clown, until he very much is not.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:14 AM)

And Curry has a far more disturbing look at times than the newbie.

@  Sabrblade : (28 February 2021 - 02:22 AM)

And the original was a showcase of Tim Curry's delightfulness as an actor. 'Nuff said.

@  unluckiness : (27 February 2021 - 10:19 PM)

first one was a decent horror flick but the second was a mess plotwise and even the scares were worse

@  tigerhawk : (27 February 2021 - 04:57 PM)

Never understood the hype for the IT movies, too many floppy zombie chases, They're not in the least unsettling.

@  Maruten : (25 February 2021 - 06:00 PM)

It's better than the last one!

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:30 AM)

The new Wizards of the Coast logo looks stupid

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:29 AM)

It's really rather shocking watching the Investor Day presentation and seeing how much Hasbro actually owns now.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 February 2021 - 10:26 AM)

If everyone had COMMON SENSE, then things would maybe go a little better-

@  repowers : (24 February 2021 - 05:33 PM)

If everyone would just have the exact same opinions as me then we wouldn't have this problem

@  Kalidor : (24 February 2021 - 01:49 PM)

It just depends on what it is. It is preferable to take it to P&R though. But sometimes current news as it's happening is less restrictive.

@  fourteenwings : (24 February 2021 - 12:18 AM)

Huh, good point (x3)

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 February 2021 - 11:46 AM)

Yeah. 1. People treat it like Twitter. 2. There's no "take it to P&R" since there's no P&R for the Shoutbox. 3. There's similarly no way to avoid either subjects or people in the Shoutbox since there's no division and it doesn't respect the ignore function, so people end up engaging when they normally wouldn't.

@  fourteenwings : (23 February 2021 - 10:56 AM)

Is there something about the Shoutbox that just means we get politics taking over the thing at least once a week?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 February 2021 - 08:26 AM)

At least your government is willing to talk about the collapsing medicare system. In quebec, their ignoring it in favour of talking about language again! Oh, and unconstitutionally denying access to eduction.

@  Shockwave 75 : (23 February 2021 - 07:52 AM)

At least here in my home province of Ontario we have a conservative gov't who doesn't want to cuz $$$$, but the argument is that they'll end up paying in medical care anyways for those sick people so why not?

@  Shockwave 75 : (23 February 2021 - 07:51 AM)

We have paid sick leave here in Canada too, but it's not very much and not everyone has it. So we're trying to get the gov't to extend it, and give it to everyone.


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#21 Rust

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:02 PM

New Star Trek you say?

 

It's been a long road, you know.

 

It's been a long time, but I guess the time is finally here.

 

People will see their dreams come alive at last, they will touch the sky.

 

We naysayers won't hold them down no more, no we're not going to change their mind.

 

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:30 PM

 

 

I read on one of the announcements on Facebook that the new show will NOT be connected to the movies universe. I'm just wondering if this will be something new, or one of the three main pitches: Axanar, Renegades, or the series following Captain Worf.

 

I've seen a few people say this on Facebook. There is absolutely nothing in the press release to suggest this isn't in the same universe as the Abrams movies.

 

 

Actually, turns out he's right. http://www.startrek....es-january-2017

 

Two notable paragraphs:

 

 

 

The brand-new Star Trek will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.
The new television series is not related to the upcoming feature film Star Trek Beyond which is scheduled to be distributed by Paramount Pictures in summer 2016.

 

 

I think that more means it's not tying in directly with the plot of Star Trek Beyond and won't feature the Enterprise crew.

 

I would be legitimately shocked if this took place in the Prime universe.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:39 PM

The rights with Star Trek are weird now since Viacom broke up.  CBS owns the TV rights and Paramount owns the film rights.  Deals can always be made, but it's possible that CBS would want distance from the films or would be unable to place the series in the same universe as the films.  It's also possible that this will be a brand new continuity of its own.

 

I'd really like it to be set in the Prime universe shortly after the destruction of Romulus.  That would give it a connection to the films without interfering in whatever story they might tell.  It would allow some follow-up to the giant mess that Kurtzman, Orci, and Abrams left of the Prime universe on the way out.  And it would allow for some guest spots by 24th century crew members.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:42 PM

The rights with Star Trek are weird now since Viacom broke up.  CBS owns the TV rights and Paramount owns the film rights.  Deals can always be made, but it's possible that CBS would want distance from the films or would be unable to place the series in the same universe as the films.  It's also possible that this will be a brand new continuity of its own.

 

This argument would be stronger if they'd hired someone other than Kurtzman to develop this.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:50 PM

 

I read on one of the announcements on Facebook that the new show will NOT be connected to the movies universe. I'm just wondering if this will be something new, or one of the three main pitches: Axanar, Renegades, or the series following Captain Worf.

 

 

It'll be that sitcom about The Rikers.

 

 You mean the Troi's?



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 04:52 PM

 

The rights with Star Trek are weird now since Viacom broke up.  CBS owns the TV rights and Paramount owns the film rights.  Deals can always be made, but it's possible that CBS would want distance from the films or would be unable to place the series in the same universe as the films.  It's also possible that this will be a brand new continuity of its own.

 

This argument would be stronger if they'd hired someone other than Kurtzman to develop this.

 

 

Yeah.  It might be TNG in the new universe.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:02 PM

 

 

The rights with Star Trek are weird now since Viacom broke up.  CBS owns the TV rights and Paramount owns the film rights.  Deals can always be made, but it's possible that CBS would want distance from the films or would be unable to place the series in the same universe as the films.  It's also possible that this will be a brand new continuity of its own.

 

This argument would be stronger if they'd hired someone other than Kurtzman to develop this.

 

 

Yeah.  It might be TNG in the new universe.

 

 

I actually think that's a possibility. TNG is, by far, the most popular of the TV shows in streaming and syndication now. Jumping ahead 80 years in the Abrams universe would be a convenient way to explore the new timeline without interfering with the movies.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:27 PM

 

I read on one of the announcements on Facebook that the new show will NOT be connected to the movies universe. I'm just wondering if this will be something new, or one of the three main pitches: Axanar, Renegades, or the series following Captain Worf.

 
 
It'll be that sitcom about The Rikers.
 
 You mean the Troi's?

No, he means a sitcom starring Will and Thomas Riker. Hilarious hi-jinx ensue when Thomas moves in with his married "twin brother" and brings home a new girlfriend each week.

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:32 PM

I am excited. Here's hoping.
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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:40 PM

The Abrams TNG era:

The Galactic class USS Enterprise NCC 1701 - D is twenty years old, after a refit, the crew are pushed for a five year mission running scientific surveys and diplomatic missions in the Gamma Quadrant UFP territories.

It has a crew compliment of five hundred Starfleet officers, one hundred positronic androids (and a factory) and over two thousand non essential personnel: scientists and civilians. It's equiped with transwarp but it' primary engines are slipstream.

Captain Riker and Protocol Officer Troi are assigned command of the ship after their secret marriage and relationship came to light when the USS Hood was lost in battle and Riker was blamed. They are given this posting by Admiral Picard.


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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:48 PM

I'd watch it.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 05:52 PM

Dream casting a rebooted TNG would be a lot of fun.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:18 PM

Dream casting a rebooted TNG would be a lot of fun.

If you used a Dreamcast to make the next Star Trek, then at least something would be thinking this time around XD


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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:33 PM

 

Dream casting a rebooted TNG would be a lot of fun.

If you used a Dreamcast to make the next Star Trek, then at least something would be thinking this time around XD

 

 

This was almost a good joke. Almost.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:35 PM

As much as I liked TNG, I'm really kind of tired of reboots and remakes at this point... besides, they couldn't afford Vin Diesel as Captain Picard on a TV budget.  Personally, I hope this is some kind of new story about a new crew, ideally in the Prime Universe.  But I think it would probably work in the Abramsverse, too, as without the obscene film budget they'd have to dial back the mindless action and (hopefully) replace it with halfway-thoughtful storytelling that the recent films have been lacking.

 

This one part of the press release gives me hope we may see this on regular television, at least in markets outside the US: 

 

 

The next chapter of the Star Trek franchise will also be distributed concurrently for television and multiple platforms around the world by CBS Studios International.

 

However, Canada's streaming market is less than ideal, with services CraveTV and Shomi (offered by Bell and Rogers, respectively, themselves both members of the ROBELUS consortium) trying to compete with Netflix.  CraveTV currently offers every past Trek series, and I'm a bit worried that they'll be the ones to get this new series rather than it just airing on CityTV (historically, that's been the channel that airs first-run episodes of Trek up here).  If it does go to Crave, I'll probably just watch the show through alternative methods until it's released to Blu-Ray and I can buy it properly.  I haven't done business with ROBELUS for a long time, and have no intention of starting up again.


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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:41 PM

Why do people want the Prime Universe back so badly? What did we leave behind unfinished?

 

Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta Quadrants have been touched upon.

 

The Federation and Klingons are best Frienemies. Romulus went boom. The Dominion has withdrawn to the Gamma Quadrant. The Borg are basically dead (Nanotech virus deposited into the heart of their Unimatrix and killed the "Alpha" Queen).

 

Seriously, outside the Undine (Species 8472) there's no real credible threat left in the face of the Federation/Klingon Empire power bloc. You can't keep creating galactic threats out of the ether either.

 

 

So I have to ask, why bother going back to the Prime Universe? For reasons that would be relevant to the average watcher, not the die hard Trekkie that is fixated on the political climate of the Federation Council post-Romulus.



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:50 PM

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:56 PM

Why do people want the Prime Universe back so badly? What did we leave behind unfinished?

 

Personally, it's not at all about anything being "unfinished." It's about "home." THAT's the Star Trek universe/continuity we came to know and love. It's markedly different than what we've seen in the Abrams universe. And for many, we've come to disdain what Abrams did, and want to go back home.

 

Give us a universe where Vulcan still exists (even if Romulus doesn't). Where the important events we remember are still a part of that universe's past.

 

(I, quite bluntly, don't care what the "non-Trekkie" thinks. They don't care one way or the other what universe it's in. The only reason this debate exists is for those of us who care about the franchise's history.)


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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:56 PM

There's still lots that can be told, as the Pocketverse demonstrates, if they get writers with some actual creativity.  Besides, Romulus might be gone but the Romulan Star Empire was more than one planet.  In the past, Trek has almost always focused on the Klingon's arc from enemies to allies; we only ever got a halfhearted tease of that for the Romulans.  There are also the Tholian, Breen, and Tzenkethi floating around out there, all of which could do with some fleshing out.  What about the First Federation, who we heard from once and never again?

 

Mind you, whether this takes place in the Prime Universe or Abramsverse, I fully expect the show to retread a few well-worn paths.  Anyone want to take any bets on how many episodes in before we get the "single crewmember manning the ship alone while the rest of the crew is in hibernation" episode?



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 06:56 PM

Yeah. Look at our human history and how drastically different the world is now from 80 years ago.

There's no reason the Prime universe has to die. You just need somebody with an idea and a vision.
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