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@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (05 November 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Announcement! TF Roll Out Short Gotta Go Fast! Storyboard in the works! Green lit Real Soon.


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#1841 AgentOrange

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 04:30 PM

So can people stop bitching about the Klingons now?
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:04 PM

This week's episode moved stories forward but didn't so much have a main story all its own.  The Klingon drama was the A-story but it was largely table-setting.  It was some good, old-fashioned Klingon drama.

 

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The show is actively addressing continuity concerns from last season.
 

 

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Good episode.  Not a traditional episode like last week, but it felt less rushed and moved things forward.

 

Somebody has surely done a L'Oreal L'rell Photoshop, right?


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Posted 02 February 2019 - 03:30 PM

I made the mistake of attempting to watch videos about Discovery on YouTube and I've discovered that Trekkies and Discovery are at least on par with the Disney ruined Star Wars and Michael Bay raped my childhood crowd. Really makes me hope classic Trek never returns.
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

Yeah, they're damned awful. We got the same type of 'fan' mouthing off from Doctor Who fandom when Jodie Whittaker took over as the Doctor, and they haven't shut up since.
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 05:40 PM

I might actually be warming up to this show.  It still needs to learn how to balance the unrestrained CG fluff with stuff that actually moves the story forward, but episode 1 of Season 2 has left me with a far nicer taste in my mouth.

 

Shame that it's stuck behind a paywall.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 12:37 PM

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Still waiting for them to find an excuse for Stamets to sing on the show. Mushroom samba or something.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:12 AM

 

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Even at the time, the producers basically said 'we didn't have time or money to do a new older Klingon ship, imagine that it's a D4'.



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Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:27 PM

Midnight's Edge explains how the licensing split happened and why Discovery looks the way it does. It's fascinating the legal hoops they all had to go through.

 

TL;DW, it's Sumner Redstone's fault.

 


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Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:27 PM

Midnight's Edge explains how the licensing split happened and why Discovery looks the way it does. It's fascinating the legal hoops they all had to go through.

 

TL;DW, it's Sumner Redstone's fault.

 

 

Fundamental error at 24:47. Discovery was not created by Paramount, but by CBS, and I have seen no evidence to lead me to believe that it's under Paramount's license. I have little reason to trust anything that comes after this point.


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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:01 PM

This week, Discovery again juggled three plots.  The A-story was a very classically Star Treky story.

 

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This week in Fixing Continuity:

 

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It was another very satisfying episode.  Season 2 seems very much to be course-correcting from season 1.  As much as I enjoyed season 1, I think I'm enjoying season 2 a bit more.  The lighter tone is more approachable, and I don't have so much of a fear that they're going to seriously screw this up.



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:19 AM

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 12:04 PM

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Makes sense, in a retcon sort of way.

 

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 01:28 PM

I have now read all available Discovery novels (next one is coming out in July).

Desperate Hours by David Mack: A team-up between the Shenzhou and the Enterprise commanded by a young and untested Christopher Pike, and featuring Burnham, Saru, Number One, and Spock. The first DSC novel, written before the series launched, and this has the early-installment weirdness that inevitably comes from being based on a script rather than the final performances. A respectable start, though sadly utterly removed from canon thanks to season 2 (honestly, I'd rather have kept DH).

Drastic Measures by Dayton Ward: A pre-Shenzhou flashback, involving then-Commander Georgiou and then-Lieutenant Lorca dealing with the Tarsus IV tragedy and trying to hunt down Kodos the Executioner (making a smooth integration with what we know from TOS). This is, so far, our only look at Lorca Prime, who proves to be not too different from the version we got to know, though much more conflicted about his aggressive side. Georgiou meets a very young James Kirk. Aside from an unfortunate fridging (Lorca loses someone in the massacre), this is a good character piece for those wanting more Georgiou.

Fear Itself by James Swallow: An early-Shenzhou adventure, showing the not-yet-friendship between Burnham and Saru, as Saru experiments with defying orders for the first time in his career, and nearly starts a war with the Tholians and/or the Peliar Zel (and a war between the Tholians and Peliar Zel. He just royally hugs up). It plays reasonably well with established canon, though Saru has apparently encountered a Ba'ul face-to-face (unlike what Short Treks suggested), though that could easily be slotted into his backstory somewhere off-camera.

The Way to the Stars by Una McCormack: Is a hugging masterpiece, OMG. Aside from a framing device (apparently set just before S2 begins), this is the story of 16-year-old Sylvia Tilly going through a crisis and finding her people. This isn't so much a Star Trek book as it is a perfect young adult book that happens to be set in the Star Trek universe, and deals heavily with issues of anxiety, identity, family (both biological and found), and privilege (both personal and cultural). This is the book I would give to non-Trek fans to introduce them to the universe. It gives us a long-needed look at how the rest of the galaxy views the Federation, and how people in the Federation feel about Starfleet, and why the people in Starfleet would give their lives for the Uniform and what it means.

Also, Siobhan Tilly has displaced Lwaxana Troi as the Worst Mother in Star Trek. Lwaxana may be overbearing, but she has never been actively toxic to her daughter's emotional and mental well-being. All of Tilly's anxiety issues can be traced directly to that witch.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 01:41 PM

Haven't yet read Fear Itself, but I agree with the rest of these reviews. I especially echo your sentiments about The Way to the Stars. Possibly the most enjoyable Trek book I've ever read.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 07:31 AM

 by Una McCormack: Is a hugging masterpiece, OMG.

 

Really, you could put any of her Trek works at the start of that and be correct (although I've not read her, or anyone else's post-The Fall work yet). The Never-Ending Sacrifice in particular is incredible.



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 10:06 PM

This week's episode had some bullshit pseudoscience that's kinda hard to swallow.  But beyond that, it was a good episode.  One A story and a smaller B story.  The whole thing slowed down a bit and the plots had room to breathe.

 

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:37 PM

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I don't think we saw one in Enterprise.



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Posted 18 February 2019 - 12:13 AM

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I don't think we saw one in Enterprise.

I believe Mouse Pas refers to the K'Tinga model recycling in ENT 1x05, which even the showrunners told us to pretend it was not.
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Posted 18 February 2019 - 05:37 PM

I have now read all available Discovery novels (next one is coming out in July).

Desperate Hours by David Mack: A team-up between the Shenzhou and the Enterprise commanded by a young and untested Christopher Pike, and featuring Burnham, Saru, Number One, and Spock. The first DSC novel, written before the series launched, and this has the early-installment weirdness that inevitably comes from being based on a script rather than the final performances. A respectable start, though sadly utterly removed from canon thanks to season 2 (honestly, I'd rather have kept DH).

Drastic Measures by Dayton Ward: A pre-Shenzhou flashback, involving then-Commander Georgiou and then-Lieutenant Lorca dealing with the Tarsus IV tragedy and trying to hunt down Kodos the Executioner (making a smooth integration with what we know from TOS). This is, so far, our only look at Lorca Prime, who proves to be not too different from the version we got to know, though much more conflicted about his aggressive side. Georgiou meets a very young James Kirk. Aside from an unfortunate fridging (Lorca loses someone in the massacre), this is a good character piece for those wanting more Georgiou.

Fear Itself by James Swallow: An early-Shenzhou adventure, showing the not-yet-friendship between Burnham and Saru, as Saru experiments with defying orders for the first time in his career, and nearly starts a war with the Tholians and/or the Peliar Zel (and a war between the Tholians and Peliar Zel. He just royally hugs up). It plays reasonably well with established canon, though Saru has apparently encountered a Ba'ul face-to-face (unlike what Short Treks suggested), though that could easily be slotted into his backstory somewhere off-camera.

The Way to the Stars by Una McCormack: Is a hugging masterpiece, OMG. Aside from a framing device (apparently set just before S2 begins), this is the story of 16-year-old Sylvia Tilly going through a crisis and finding her people. This isn't so much a Star Trek book as it is a perfect young adult book that happens to be set in the Star Trek universe, and deals heavily with issues of anxiety, identity, family (both biological and found), and privilege (both personal and cultural). This is the book I would give to non-Trek fans to introduce them to the universe. It gives us a long-needed look at how the rest of the galaxy views the Federation, and how people in the Federation feel about Starfleet, and why the people in Starfleet would give their lives for the Uniform and what it means.

Also, Siobhan Tilly has displaced Lwaxana Troi as the Worst Mother in Star Trek. Lwaxana may be overbearing, but she has never been actively toxic to her daughter's emotional and mental well-being. All of Tilly's anxiety issues can be traced directly to that witch.

 

Haven't yet read Fear Itself, but I agree with the rest of these reviews. I especially echo your sentiments about The Way to the Stars. Possibly the most enjoyable Trek book I've ever read.

 

Really, you could put any of her Trek works at the start of that and be correct (although I've not read her, or anyone else's post-The Fall work yet). The Never-Ending Sacrifice in particular is incredible.

 

I have The Way to the Stars, but I have yet to go through it as I have with the first three Discovery novels. I look forward to The Enterprise War at the end of July.

 

It is a pity that season 2 threw out Desperate Hours. Oh well, any longtime readers saw it coming, alas.

 

I somewhat dread the day of the Picard series's debut when post-Nemesis novels get thrown out the window. Those TNG novels, for all their good and bad, have kept me going.


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Posted 19 February 2019 - 09:23 AM

I somewhat dread the day of the Picard series's debut when post-Nemesis novels get thrown out the window. Those TNG novels, for all their good and bad, have kept me going.

 

Yeah, it won't be the first time that a tie-in universe I like that will have been discarded in favour of making new TV/Movies, but I'm pretty sure that Trek will hurt the worst. At least when Star Wars EU went away, it had grown stagnant in just about every area, and desperately needed a shake-up, but Trek Lit is doing some of the best that Trek has ever been. So many great characters, so much potential still, all of which is going to be thrown out for what I fear will be a lowest common denominator series...





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