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@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Runa runa!

@  Sabrblade : (14 April 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Wocka wocka!

@  The Doctor Who : (14 April 2019 - 06:59 AM)

Lewd

@  Paladin : (14 April 2019 - 06:57 AM)

troutstick.

@  MEDdMI : (14 April 2019 - 06:34 AM)

With a trout.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 05:44 AM)

With a stick?

@  MEDdMI : (13 April 2019 - 10:56 PM)

*slaps them both*

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 April 2019 - 07:31 PM)

Seems like a polarizing decision, but it's not like jest anyone could make it for you.

@  Xellos : (13 April 2019 - 06:06 PM)

I had an epiphany today. My spirit animal is Fozzie Bear. We both love our un-bear-able jokes, which make people feel like they are being pun-ished.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:24 AM)

That's what makes the show so poignant, I think. It take a contemporary perspective, rather than a modern one. The hardships of the time aren't glossed over, but they're portrayed very stoically. Yeah, many people suffered, there was poverty, but so was life at the time. There's also a high-ranking Jewish police official who's a very by-the-books guy and supports the frail democracy of Weimar Germany. If you want to learn more about how Germany BEFORE the Period Everyone Knows About, this show is as good as it gets.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:19 AM)

Because in retrospect, we (even here in Germany) tend to view the era with knowledge of what would later come, but in reality, the Nazis started out as a regional fringe movement and basically just happened to be in the right place at the right time to seize power.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:18 AM)

The communists are a much bigger threat. When the Nazis appear, they will likely do so with a bang. Like, completely out of left field.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:17 AM)

The show tries its best to accurately depict the zeitgeist of the era, the post-war period with a young, struggling (and ultimately doomed) democracy... but like in real life, the Nazis aren't really an issue on anyone's mind yet.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:16 AM)

The female lead is a young, aspiring typist and part-time prostitute who dreams of becoming a police officer working in the murder department.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:15 AM)

During his investigations, he becomes involved in political unrest, murder cases, a conspiracy of reactionary monarchists, Russian counter-revolutionaries and more.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:14 AM)

@Benbot: Babylon Berlin is a film noir-style crime drama set in the German capital of Berlin in the year 1929. It features a World War I veteran turned police officer from Cologne who comes to Berlin to investigate a porn ring that blackmails his superior, the grand mayor of Cologne (who would later become the first chancellor of post-WWII Germany).


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 12:33 PM

That's how I connected the dots.  Even though they're living in something of a society now, they still have the defensive mechanisms that evolved when they were wild game.



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 01:24 PM

For that matter, it's possible the Ba'ul "domesticated" the Kelpiens (as opposed to that being a "natural" Kelpien village that the Ba'ul simply rolled into and took over).

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 12:26 AM

New Season 2 trailer for the U.S.:



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Posted 14 December 2018 - 03:32 PM

I'm feeling pretty good about Ethan Peck's Spock.



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Posted 14 December 2018 - 05:04 PM

Unfortunately, i've got the opposite reaction. I just do not take to him at all.

The beard does not help either.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 12:43 AM

Having thought Burnham's "Spock needs help" line in the earlier trailer reeked of condescension, I'm glad Spock said in this trailer, "Not everything is your responsibility!"


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Posted 15 December 2018 - 10:10 AM

Serious question - what does one all get with an All Access subscription? Outside Discovery related content, I mean.

 

Yeah, Season 1 didn't grab me, but Season 2 just might.


Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
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So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

Having thought Burnham's "Spock needs help" line in the earlier trailer reeked of condescension, I'm glad Spock said in this trailer, "Not everything is your responsibility!"

I really hope she follows that up with "Very well then, we can beam you back into the anomaly."

(After what Desperate Hours established about their relationship, I'd love to see some brother/sister snark between them.)

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 03:11 PM

Serious question - what does one all get with an All Access subscription? Outside Discovery related content, I mean.

 

Yeah, Season 1 didn't grab me, but Season 2 just might.

 

Looks like live streaming and the back catalog of CBS programming (not limited to the five most recent episodes of current shows like the regular .com).


 
 
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 02:08 PM

I resubscribed to CBS AA this weekend (through Amazon this time, not that it seems to matter) and started rewatching season 1.  I wanted to see it again before season 2.  In the first episode, Saru says that his people are treated like livestock, so there's no contradiction with the Short Trek.

 

It's kind of fun to watch it again, knowing what I know about Lorca.  I'm generally feeling more forgiving about the show's flaws now for some reason.  Maybe because now I'm confident that I like it and I'm not nervously waiting on edge for some big thing to destroy my enjoyment.



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Posted 17 December 2018 - 02:24 PM

Speaking for myself, I enjoyed the season. If it wasn't for the not-Klingons (and, no, I will never be convinced that those are Klingons. They don't look like them, and don't really even act like them... where was the honor?), I really wouldn't have any meaningful complaints. (I do think the subtitling was excessive. Whether or not that counts as "meaningful" I leave to others)


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 09:22 PM

 where was the honor?

 

I've covered this earlier, but the honest truth of the matter is Klingon honor isn't a thing outside Klingon Weeaboos like Worf. It's less a cultural thing and more a post-Khitomer rebranding ("Come, experience the new, softer, nicer Klingon Empire. Please trade us the basic commodities that our gross mishandling of our own industrial base make us incapable of producing for ourselves!"). Discommendations were less about the honor aspect and more about asserting political dominance - not just killing a rival, but making them totally beneath you.

 

While I've not seen the first season for myself, from what I gather via summaries is that a lot of the Klingon side of the story revolved around covert, clandestine agents and political maneuvering.

 

I mean, Arne Darvin ("The Trouble with Tribbles/Trials and Tribble-ations") and the whole story plot of the Duras family are pretty much straight up examples of all of that. So it's hardly out of character for them to be a bit more Machiavellian and cut throat.


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 10:13 PM

Yeah, the Klingons' behaviour was fine, it was just the needless (and worse, performance-killing) makeup redesign that ruined it.

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 01:37 PM

TOS Klingons were mostly generic mustache-twirling villains.  There was very little information given about Klingon culture.  23rd century Klingon culture is largely a blank slate, which Discovery is writing on.  Certainly a culture can evolve a lot in a century even without a major event like the destruction of Praxis.

 

I won't argue about the Klingon make-up.  I'm not a fan and I'm glad that they seem to be moving back in a more familiar direction with season 2.  L'Rell's new look is much easier to accept.



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Posted 18 December 2018 - 05:50 PM

 

 where was the honor?

 

I've covered this earlier, but the honest truth of the matter is Klingon honor isn't a thing outside Klingon Weeaboos like Worf. It's less a cultural thing and more a post-Khitomer rebranding ("Come, experience the new, softer, nicer Klingon Empire. Please trade us the basic commodities that our gross mishandling of our own industrial base make us incapable of producing for ourselves!"). Discommendations were less about the honor aspect and more about asserting political dominance - not just killing a rival, but making them totally beneath you.

 

While I've not seen the first season for myself, from what I gather via summaries is that a lot of the Klingon side of the story revolved around covert, clandestine agents and political maneuvering.

 

I mean, Arne Darvin ("The Trouble with Tribbles/Trials and Tribble-ations") and the whole story plot of the Duras family are pretty much straight up examples of all of that. So it's hardly out of character for them to be a bit more Machiavellian and cut throat.

 

 

If you'd seen the first season of Discovery, I think you'd find your explanation doesn't hold water. While TNG-era Klingons often fell short of their ideals, they still TALKED about honor a lot. A HUGE amount. This was almost (but not quite entirely) absent from Discovery, despite a significant amount of (subtitled) story straight from the (so-called) Klingon POV.

 

For those who want to argue that, this being pre-TOS, the culture might be different... we'll have to see. If Enterprise can make their Vulcans work (if you squint), then I'm sure Discovery can do the same with Klingon culture.


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 05:55 AM

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 10:30 AM

The post-Enterprise Rise of the Federation novels that I've alluded to before establish that:

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In DSC, the High Council has completely lost power, and T'Kuvma/Voq/L'Rell are a faction trying to use Kahless' tradition to restore the Empire. It would've been cool to justify their look as an attempt at undoing the Qu'Vat virus (via genetic modification), thereby justifying T'Kuvma's whole messianic complex as Kahless Reborn.

What we should've seen is that effort being corrupted either by Hem'Quch, believing that it was their right to lead the Empire, or QuchHa' factions, all angling for their own power. Instead, all we got was Kol (who should've been a QuchHa', justifying his relationship to the Kor seen on TOS/DS9 [possibly a brother or cousin, given their ages]), with his paper-thin power grab for his House.

(This would also have retroactively added some hypocritical irony to Kor's own character, given that he [a QuchHa'] was known to come down on other Klingons who "lacked noble blood.")

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:48 AM

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.

Wasn't talking about them, so I'm not sure what you're saying.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 01:02 PM

They're all unemployed.



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Posted 24 December 2018 - 09:13 AM

 

I don't think Discovery makes its Vulcans work.

Wasn't talking about them, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

 

 

I'm saying that the 3 Vulcans I've seen in Discovery don't feel like Vulcans to me.

 

Edit - This Spock fellow isn't a Vulcan, as far as my experience tells me.  He certainly isn't the Spock that we've seen hours and hours of for the last 50 years.  It just isn't the same guy at all.


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