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@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 03:12 PM

Just a rumor right now:

http://screencrush.c...hare_mobile_top

I'd love it for this to be true. I really love the Hulk (own every issue) and I've realy enjoyed the Thor movies. They're among my favorite Marvel films.

Now sure, In my dreams I'd give the Hulk another solo film (based on Peter David's classic Gamma Bomb story vs the Leader and Sheild) but barring that this could be really fun. Marvel loves doing different genre-bending versions of the superhero story. A Thor & Hulk buddy film would be absolutely awesome. :)


-ZacWilliam, in my dream Hulk films I'd also do a Grey Hulk film and Pantheon Hulk film, spin a She-Hulk off of one of those and only then the often speculated Planet Hulk, but that all seems unlikely so I guess I'll just dream of a Hulk out of water in Asgard Thor/Hulk buddy flick for now. :)

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 03:34 PM

This could be, if true, really make Thor Ragnarok really cool.

I too would like one or more solo Hulk films. Except i would really prefer they steer well clear of Planet Hulk. I've just always found the idea of the best and brightest "Heroes" declaring the Hulk too unstable for Earth, and then shooting him off into space makes the good guys far less noble than i like.

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 04:32 PM

The Hulk really needs another movie that isn't just another Avengers movie.


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 06:11 PM

I too would like one or more solo Hulk films. Except i would really prefer they steer well clear of Planet Hulk. I've just always found the idea of the best and brightest "Heroes" declaring the Hulk too unstable for Earth, and then shooting him off into space makes the good guys far less noble than i like.


I feel like you could do the bulk of Planet Hulk without that. Maybe Loki drops him there after Ragnarok or Thanos flings him there in one of the Infinity movies. Or someone does something that sends him on a rampage like the Witch did and they have no choice. I think the movies change enough parts of stories that you could make it work without making Tony and company terrible jerks.

-ZacWilliam, all that said, I honestly prefer Peter David Hulk which is what I'd really love to see on screen...
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Posted 12 October 2015 - 06:13 PM

I agree with you there Zac.

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 07:17 PM

I remember someone trying to convince me that GotG2 was going to be the stealth Planet Hulk movie.

 

Anywho, there's a lot of rumors flying around about the Marvel stuff in the wake of NYCC (Inhumans is canceled!  Inhumans isn't canceled and Vin Diesel will be Black Bolt!  Iron Fist is canceled!) so I'd take this one with a grain of salt.  Ragnarok can easily be busy enough event for a film without tossing in the Hulk too.

 

And, and just in case you guys didn't know, Universal has the distribution rights to Hulk films (and Namor films too, apparently.)  So basically Marvel could make a Hulk (or Namor) film, and they would own it and the IP, but Universal would control distribution, meaning they would need to get a cut of the profits.  That's believed to be the main reason Marvel hasn't gone through with a new Hulk film as of yet.


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 09:08 PM

Hulk among the Asgardians actually makes some sense, that's a pretty clever idea.  On the other hand, Banner makes a little less sense, although I guess he can pal around with Stellan Skarsgard in between fight scenes?  (I just realized that Thor spends so much time giving exposition that his relationship with the other Avengers isn't very well-defined.)



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Posted 15 October 2015 - 07:34 PM

Deadline is saying Marvel is close to inking the deal with ruff all for this. http://deadline.com/...rok-1201584404/

Huh, I wouldn't have guessed at this one panning out to be true.

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 07:05 PM

Deadline is saying Marvel is close to inking the deal with ruff all for this. http://deadline.com/...rok-1201584404/

Huh, I wouldn't have guessed at this one panning out to be true.

It's a good way to give us a Hulk-centric movie alongside a Thor movie-- Thor movies tend to be slightly weaker at the box office, but give us an Avengers 2.75 (Civil War is 2.5)? Money money boo-bah.

 

Also, Mark Ruffalo is an infinitely better casting choice than Ed Norton. No contest.

 

It'll also be a Planet Hulk movie in everything but name at this point, given Thor's cosmic attachment. Maybe give us a lead-in to Guardians 2, in the bargain (or vice versa? Which is out first?).


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Posted 18 October 2015 - 01:07 AM

Guardians 2 is May of 2017, Thor 2 is November of the same year. (It was July but then the Spider-Man thing happened.)

 

Slapping Planet Hulk and Ragnarok together would be a bad idea, IMO.  Planet Hulk is a very personal story at it's core; about the Hulk being betrayed, abandoned and stranded on the other side of the Universe where he ultimately finds a place where not only is he accepted, but where he can accept the fact that he's accepted.  While you could probably substitute Asgard for Sakaar in that story, I think it takes something away if Thor is there palling around with him. (And if Thor ISN'T palling around with him, then I think the Hulk would be a bad fit for a movie called "Thor: Ragnarok." in the first place :D)

 

Also, Ragnarok itself will need to take up a lot of screentime, so I'm not sure you can really do justice for both Planet Hulk and Ragnarok in a single 2.5 hour film.


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Posted 18 October 2015 - 11:49 PM

It could be just the setup for Planet Hulk without mashing the two together in one film.

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 02:22 AM


I don't actually expect it to be Planet Hulky at all.
I expect it I be a Thor film with a "Buddy Picture/Fish out of Water" hulk element thrown in for fun,

-ZacWilliam, having the hulk in it is going to be less than some folks imagine. Mostly I think it'll tie up the Thor/King Loki story and the hulk will just just be a smaller side part of that story.
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Posted 19 October 2015 - 11:47 AM

we may have a pay off from Avengers 1 that alluded to Loki controlling or looking to guide the hulk coming to fruitition - but that's just spitballing on my case.


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Posted 19 October 2015 - 12:03 PM

Ehhh... We just saw Hulk being controlled in a major scene in his last movie, it's a little too soon to go to that well again.

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 12:10 PM

Perhaps, if they do set up a Planet Hulk film, instead of it being the Avengers who ship Hulk off-planet and that's why Hulk feels betrayed by them, maybe he could be shipped off-planet by a villain and his feelings of betrayal could be based on how his allies failed to save him/chose to stop a bigger threat first that prevented them from saving him. In his mind, he could view their actions as their having abandoned him instead of their failure to save him actually having been something beyond their control.


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Posted 19 October 2015 - 10:28 PM

Ragnarok probably won't set up a Planet Hulk movie, if for no other reason than I doubt Marvel is going to shoe-horn in ANOTHER film before Infinity War, and Hulk will almost certainly show up there.  Afterwards we might see something, but Marvel would still need to work things out with Universal regarding distribution rights, and ultimately, Marvel has a TON of other characters who they could make a film about without needing to come to an agreement.


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Posted 22 October 2015 - 08:13 PM

Maybe it won't be about the End-of-Asgard Ragnarok event and it will just be RoboThor. 

 

That would be so awful. 



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Posted 26 November 2015 - 02:56 PM

Honestly, this is the movie that needs to setup Thanos as a powerhouse and a full fledged character, and not just some posturing, idle guy.

 

I highly imagine a scenario where Thanos is going to take advantage of Loki's takeover to grab the Infinity stone residing in Asgard.      I'm assuming Thor eventually finds out Loki is pretending to be the All Father, brings in Bruce for obvious reasons, and then right before Loki gets another looney tune pounding....boom.   Thanos shows up and goes all Ragnorok on Asgard, requiring the three powerhouses to join forces to try to get rid of Thanos, but ultimately lose.       It would be also a get setup for something to happen with the Nova Corps in GotG2 (whether it's just a cameo thing or part of the movie itself, who knows, but there's going to be something to setup Infinity Wars).


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:13 PM

Ooo,

http://marvel.com/ne...linkId=24717778

Cool cast and cool new characters. I love the Thor movies and I love the Hulk so this should be a lot of fun.

Love seeing the concept art of Hela. Love the idea of Goldblum as that character. Love another female Marvel character. Really neat to hear we're getting Executioner at last.

-ZacWilliam, a little strange to have him without Enchantress but otherwise...

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:55 PM

Can't wait to see what Taika can does with Blanchet, Goldblum and Urban.


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