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@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.


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#41 Tien85

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:36 PM

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

 

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

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Thanks, but no. I just finished watching it. I will not be buying it again and I seriously doubt I'll even watch it again.

The prologue was every bit as horrid as I feared. I was hoping that once it got to the part where the actual graphic novel started it would get better. But by that point the prologue just really colored everything that came afterword and it just...bleh! Yeah, bleh...even worse than meh.

As short as the story itself was anyway, and as much as they had to pad it out with 30 minutes of "dear sweet merciful heavens why," the parts that actually from the graphic novel just seemed rushed. The animation was...well...I suppose it was decent. But for something that so many people have been waiting so long for, "decent" just doesn't seem good enough. I know they can do better. I've seen them do better. But this just seemed...bleh!

Honestly: Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. How does this get so hugged up?
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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

 

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

 

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...knowing DC, I half expected the statue to also be of Bruce and Barbara having sex... 


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 05:08 PM

And they just wouldn't let it go either. It wasn't just a "well that scenes over, let's just forget that ever happened." No! They kept on talking and talking about it to the point of "it didn't mean anything. Please let's just get things back the way they were before it ever happened." Like...seriously...not even joking. That conversation actually took place! And guess who's the one with the tail between the legs begging to be taken back!

Pathetic. They just...wouldn't...stop!

I hope they're happy. Right now I'm just hoping I can still read the comic without it bringing back the bad taste I get from having watched this crap!
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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:02 PM

I just can't understand how that kind of plot point was even considered. I mean just, why? It adds nothing. It has no purpose, other than to be an ugly, icky shock tactic. And as Caldwin said, they keep beating you over the head with it.

After the bad press they got over a COVER referencing the Killing Joke, and Jokers implied abuse of Babs. How could any sane person even rationlise throwing the 'relationship' on top of that.

When Rocksteady referenced the shooting scene from KJ in Arkham Knight, they toned it DOWN by having the Joker shoot Babs in the back and take a few pictures. Admittedly, they for some reason paired Babs with Tim, which is stupid too. Just not to this level.

Yet yhe makers of this thought random sex between Babs and Bruce was a 'fascinating angle' to take the story. What. The. Hell!

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:08 PM

Well, in addition to Killing Joke, we do have the nifty Justice League Dark feature coming in a few months.  That looked nifty, even if they are still pushing that pseudo "shared universe" deal on a bunch of their animated features.  And at SDCC, it was announced that The Judas Contract was back on (presumably, a sequel to JL vs TT, given the teaser at the end of that), and we're getting a Bruce Timm original story in Batman and Harley Quinn.



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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:26 PM

Are people really bitching about Babs hugging Bruce and not the hookers they added in to make it extra clear that Joker raped her after shooting her because a subtle implication wasn't enough?  


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:39 PM

Yeah, not too thrilled about that part either. Really, the whole thing was just pretty crap. It just irks me that as long as people have been waiting for this, this is what they did with it.
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Posted 27 July 2016 - 12:34 AM

Are people really bitching about Babs hugging Bruce and not the hookers they added in to make it extra clear that Joker raped her after shooting her because a subtle implication wasn't enough?  

 

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:14 PM

It wasn't terrible, but the aforementioned sexcapade made the beginning painful and groan worthy.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:31 PM

Haven't seen it but, eh, sex with Batman can't be that bad, haha.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 06:04 PM

So I am on my 2nd time watching this.  Picked up the blu ray today.  I think in future times watching Ill treat it like I do Attack Of The Clones....Ill just skip the first part.  So Ill skip the first 30 minutes or so and just watch where the book starts.  Other than the Batgirl opening, I think its a pretty good adaptation.  I haven't read a lot of Batman books over the years other than some graphic novels, and really nothing really dealing with Batgirl.  I took that scene with her and Batman as more creepy.  She's what, 21 ish at this point?  He's in his 40's and a father figure to her. gross.  

 

Id still like to see Dark Victory and The Long Halloween turned into an animated films.  The rape stuff....I honestly hadn't even thought of it while watching it until I read this.  But Ive been doing homework while its been playing so I guess I wasn't paying that close of attention.  But, I don't mind it.  It shows how demented Joker is and the lengths he was willing to go to turn Gordon crazy and continue to infuriate Batman.  Would I prefer the directors to just do a page for page adaptation....sure.  Give us the material as it was written.  But I can deal with it.  



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 08:20 PM

Bruce Timm needs to stop trying to shoehorn in his Barbara/Bruce ship in everything he does.


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 10:27 AM

Makes you wonder whether the 'age difference makes it ugly and WRONG!' even registers for him.

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 11:50 AM

If they're consenting adults, I can't really say the age differential makes it "wrong".

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 01:30 PM

Meh, if I want Hamill Joker, I'll still go back to this:

 

Also, they added hookers? Really? What, did they ask Frank Miller to help write the script?


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 08:02 PM

I actually liked the 30min prologue, it was a pretty decent Batgirl movie when all is said & done, I saw it as they made a mistake... a BIG BIG mistake, and then having to deal with the consequences of that mistake, ultimately realizing that the genie can never go back into the bottle. It made them very human, very relateable.

 

However it really had no place in the story of the Killing Joke, that I always saw was about a twisted co-dependant relationship between two enemies. After buliding up Babs for so long, she suddenly becomes an afterthought in the rest of the movie making for a strange tone.

 

So I saw it as getting a good Batgirl Short movie, along with a "as good as we're probably gonna get" Adaptation of TKJ.



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Posted 28 August 2016 - 12:54 AM

I just don't get why Timm is so insistent. Barbara having a crush on Bruce I can get but his constant need to make them lovers...ew. It's like his defining Zack Synder moment he enforces on DC projects.

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 12:28 PM

Haven't seen it but, eh, sex with Batman can't be that bad, haha.

 

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