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@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

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#41 Tien85

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:36 PM

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

 

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

http://www.bestbuy.c...p?skuId=5259400

Thanks, but no. I just finished watching it. I will not be buying it again and I seriously doubt I'll even watch it again.

The prologue was every bit as horrid as I feared. I was hoping that once it got to the part where the actual graphic novel started it would get better. But by that point the prologue just really colored everything that came afterword and it just...bleh! Yeah, bleh...even worse than meh.

As short as the story itself was anyway, and as much as they had to pad it out with 30 minutes of "dear sweet merciful heavens why," the parts that actually from the graphic novel just seemed rushed. The animation was...well...I suppose it was decent. But for something that so many people have been waiting so long for, "decent" just doesn't seem good enough. I know they can do better. I've seen them do better. But this just seemed...bleh!

Honestly: Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. How does this get so hugged up?
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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

 

I already got the iTunes version of this. I plan on watching it tonight. It was my most anticipated comic movie of the year. Killing Joke has been one story I've been dying for them to do. I was planning on getting the HD iTunes version plus whatever BluRay release they did...like...please oh please oh please have a Blu Ray with figurine and mini-comic pack-in.

 

 

http://www.bestbuy.c...p?skuId=5259400

 

 

...knowing DC, I half expected the statue to also be of Bruce and Barbara having sex... 


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 05:08 PM

And they just wouldn't let it go either. It wasn't just a "well that scenes over, let's just forget that ever happened." No! They kept on talking and talking about it to the point of "it didn't mean anything. Please let's just get things back the way they were before it ever happened." Like...seriously...not even joking. That conversation actually took place! And guess who's the one with the tail between the legs begging to be taken back!

Pathetic. They just...wouldn't...stop!

I hope they're happy. Right now I'm just hoping I can still read the comic without it bringing back the bad taste I get from having watched this crap!
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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:02 PM

I just can't understand how that kind of plot point was even considered. I mean just, why? It adds nothing. It has no purpose, other than to be an ugly, icky shock tactic. And as Caldwin said, they keep beating you over the head with it.

After the bad press they got over a COVER referencing the Killing Joke, and Jokers implied abuse of Babs. How could any sane person even rationlise throwing the 'relationship' on top of that.

When Rocksteady referenced the shooting scene from KJ in Arkham Knight, they toned it DOWN by having the Joker shoot Babs in the back and take a few pictures. Admittedly, they for some reason paired Babs with Tim, which is stupid too. Just not to this level.

Yet yhe makers of this thought random sex between Babs and Bruce was a 'fascinating angle' to take the story. What. The. Hell!

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:08 PM

Well, in addition to Killing Joke, we do have the nifty Justice League Dark feature coming in a few months.  That looked nifty, even if they are still pushing that pseudo "shared universe" deal on a bunch of their animated features.  And at SDCC, it was announced that The Judas Contract was back on (presumably, a sequel to JL vs TT, given the teaser at the end of that), and we're getting a Bruce Timm original story in Batman and Harley Quinn.



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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:26 PM

Are people really bitching about Babs hugging Bruce and not the hookers they added in to make it extra clear that Joker raped her after shooting her because a subtle implication wasn't enough?  


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:39 PM

Yeah, not too thrilled about that part either. Really, the whole thing was just pretty crap. It just irks me that as long as people have been waiting for this, this is what they did with it.
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Posted 27 July 2016 - 12:34 AM

Are people really bitching about Babs hugging Bruce and not the hookers they added in to make it extra clear that Joker raped her after shooting her because a subtle implication wasn't enough?  

 

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:14 PM

It wasn't terrible, but the aforementioned sexcapade made the beginning painful and groan worthy.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:31 PM

Haven't seen it but, eh, sex with Batman can't be that bad, haha.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 06:04 PM

So I am on my 2nd time watching this.  Picked up the blu ray today.  I think in future times watching Ill treat it like I do Attack Of The Clones....Ill just skip the first part.  So Ill skip the first 30 minutes or so and just watch where the book starts.  Other than the Batgirl opening, I think its a pretty good adaptation.  I haven't read a lot of Batman books over the years other than some graphic novels, and really nothing really dealing with Batgirl.  I took that scene with her and Batman as more creepy.  She's what, 21 ish at this point?  He's in his 40's and a father figure to her. gross.  

 

Id still like to see Dark Victory and The Long Halloween turned into an animated films.  The rape stuff....I honestly hadn't even thought of it while watching it until I read this.  But Ive been doing homework while its been playing so I guess I wasn't paying that close of attention.  But, I don't mind it.  It shows how demented Joker is and the lengths he was willing to go to turn Gordon crazy and continue to infuriate Batman.  Would I prefer the directors to just do a page for page adaptation....sure.  Give us the material as it was written.  But I can deal with it.  



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 08:20 PM

Bruce Timm needs to stop trying to shoehorn in his Barbara/Bruce ship in everything he does.


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 10:27 AM

Makes you wonder whether the 'age difference makes it ugly and WRONG!' even registers for him.

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 11:50 AM

If they're consenting adults, I can't really say the age differential makes it "wrong".

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 01:30 PM

Meh, if I want Hamill Joker, I'll still go back to this:

 

Also, they added hookers? Really? What, did they ask Frank Miller to help write the script?


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 08:02 PM

I actually liked the 30min prologue, it was a pretty decent Batgirl movie when all is said & done, I saw it as they made a mistake... a BIG BIG mistake, and then having to deal with the consequences of that mistake, ultimately realizing that the genie can never go back into the bottle. It made them very human, very relateable.

 

However it really had no place in the story of the Killing Joke, that I always saw was about a twisted co-dependant relationship between two enemies. After buliding up Babs for so long, she suddenly becomes an afterthought in the rest of the movie making for a strange tone.

 

So I saw it as getting a good Batgirl Short movie, along with a "as good as we're probably gonna get" Adaptation of TKJ.



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Posted 28 August 2016 - 12:54 AM

I just don't get why Timm is so insistent. Barbara having a crush on Bruce I can get but his constant need to make them lovers...ew. It's like his defining Zack Synder moment he enforces on DC projects.

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 12:28 PM

Haven't seen it but, eh, sex with Batman can't be that bad, haha.

 

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 02:26 PM


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