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@  Paladin : (20 October 2020 - 05:15 PM)

only takes three pounds to be a cereal killer.

@  Kalidor : (20 October 2020 - 04:54 PM)

5 pounds is a lot of cereal! /deadpan

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 October 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Seems the area near my work place is due to be gentrified. Electric car ports, fifty pound haircuts and five pound bowls of cereal in breakfast cafes I'll bet.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 11:31 PM)

@ZakuConvoy Lumines Electric Symphony. So still halfway interesting, and it’ll play on the PS TV

@  Demovere Xeno : (19 October 2020 - 10:36 PM)

@Maximus: I paired the Battle Patrol with Ironworks and they look good together, though the Off Road Patrol would probably fit best as vehicles you're likely to find at a construction site.

@  ZakuConvoy : (19 October 2020 - 09:39 PM)

So...was it something like Tearaway or Gravity Rush or was it just a FIFA or a Madden?

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 08:26 PM)

Sounds like they need to clean more often.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 06:51 PM)

From the depths of Walmart's backroom comes...a Playstation Vita game in 2020?

@  Telly : (19 October 2020 - 02:20 PM)

and my bow

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:49 AM)

<GIMLI> And my axe! </GIMLI>

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:47 AM)

He's got my vote!

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 11:26 AM)

Mayor?

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 October 2020 - 07:38 AM)

Greasepit for the Sports Car Patrol, Airwave for the Airstrike Patrol, Hot House for the Rescue Patrol, Ironworks for ????

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:09 AM)

My local Walmart FINALLY got a restock of Generations during the early September reset and got a big shipment of Earthrise wave 1 (the first I’d seen around here). IF, and that’s a big IF, they restock I’m expecting a bunch of wave 3. Or wave 2. But we’ll be skipping one of those waves.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:08 AM)

Barricade hanging around

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:08 AM)

Brunt barely appeared here at all, wave 3 was pretty much skipped for a big load of wave 4, with Impactor and

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Brunt is shelfwarming around me. One walmart moved the whole lot of them off to a side shelf, but couldn't be added to liquidate them.

@  unluckiness : (18 October 2020 - 09:01 PM)

Ironworks is a plague. No idea if it was overproduced or if nobody wants it but thing's clogging shelves.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2020 - 04:23 PM)

My walmart the few times I go in will be lucky to have two or three transformers period.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 October 2020 - 10:29 AM)

I mostly just see walls of Ironworks. And the occassional Siege Hound.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2020 - 08:44 AM)

condolences.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 08:40 AM)

My local Symths is still chock full of Earthrise wave 1.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 08:24 AM)

Yup, generally so much they don't bother with any other waves as the existing stock doesn't sell out.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

All the damn time.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

If there's anything there's going to be plenty of stock, it's wave 1.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

I'm really not worried about wave 1 of a new line EVER.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

At least you got listings for kingdom. walmart canada won't list them until they're actually in stock and that could very well never happen. I'm gonna get mine from BBTS cause I'm not missing out on the maximals.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:32 AM)

And I don't buy the "they all sold out" explanation. The Kingdom figures are still listed.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:32 AM)

I don't see any of Friday's reveals at Walmart.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:23 AM)

There's a difference between "sold out" and "no trace of a listing".

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:23 AM)

There is still a listing for the scalped and sold out Walmart exclusive limited edition version of Gigawatt.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:22 AM)

But there should still be a listing.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2020 - 06:30 AM)

Probably got scalped and sold out in seconds.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 04:10 AM)

And I don't see links anywhere either.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 04:10 AM)

So did Walmart somehow fail put up the Headmasters preorders as promised by Hasbro, or have the listings been taken down again? I cannot find them.

@  Kalidor : (18 October 2020 - 03:02 AM)

My Depth Charge is signed by David Sobolov on the wing.

@  Echowarrior : (16 October 2020 - 09:51 PM)

So do I, and I am one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 October 2020 - 07:33 PM)

I need an adult.

@  -LittleAutob... : (16 October 2020 - 11:26 AM)

Watching people talk here is satisfying-

@  wonko the sane? : (16 October 2020 - 05:57 AM)

Nope, just awesome 80's metal hair.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 October 2020 - 12:17 PM)

Feathered Depthcharge? Does he turn into a fish with feathers?

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 October 2020 - 11:57 AM)

i've seen fan vids of feathered Dinobot and Depthcharge (which got a top comment by someone who claims to be his voice actor) which show how CG progressed.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 October 2020 - 08:01 AM)

A great story, and characters which more than make up for the now dated looking (but still clean and fluid.) CGI.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 October 2020 - 03:31 AM)

Thanks to Kingdom I've been rewatching Beast Wars. Still tops.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 October 2020 - 03:19 AM)

If they manage to tie GI Joe into Transformers like I hear they're trying to do, and it manages to put Joe product on the shelves again? I will totally forgive even the worst movie ever.

@  Telly : (15 October 2020 - 12:58 AM)

they LOOK cool, but i dont like the size. i grew up in the late 70s and early 80s where action figure size was 3 3/4, so thats what i prefer

@  fourteenwings : (15 October 2020 - 12:32 AM)

I think the new G.I. Joe Classified figures are pretty cool.

@  Telly : (14 October 2020 - 07:11 PM)

speaking of gi joe, just bought my first gi joe figure since...2011? whenever the 30th anniversary/pursuit of cobra was. got the so-called "retro" storm shadow. only got him cause i missed the ultimate version way back when

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2020 - 02:13 PM)

He has to say something eventually...

@  Bass X0 : (14 October 2020 - 02:11 PM)

New G.I. Joe anything has been a disappointment. The biggest of which is what I hear they will do with SnakeEyes.


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#1 Mighty Maximal

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:36 PM

I just made a post in another thread that got me thinking this was worth it's own topic.

 

Transformers over the years have had a near endless number of names applied to the various size classes and how they relate to the size or features of a toy - the most obvious recent examples of this has been Legion/Legends vs Cyberverse Commander/Legends or the overuse of the term Mega to describe at least 3 or 4 different sizes or complexity levels in the RID toyline at the moment.

 

Then there is the way we used to have Mega, then Maxcon then Voyager and in RID at least we have the use of Mega again and not Voyager.

 

Titan is a very muddled term these days...

 

So what I wonder is what size classes stand out for you - how do you refer to them - do you use the modern term on old toys - if so how old.

 

Do you prefer the name description Legends/Basic or Scout.

 

Which size classes that no longer (or hardly ever) exist do you miss like Ultimate or Super or Ultra.

Is there a size class  or price point you'd like to see more often - should there be more smaller toys sold in the price points of the larger sizes - i.e. Two Deluxes in a gift set for example in the same wave as a Voyager for example things like the yellow boxed Movie toys sold as 'Most wanted' or even the Animated Jetstorm/Jetfire set.

 

What might be a good way to describe a concept that Hasbro didn't intend to be taken as a class but that fans might like to refer to as - for example the way there is a real similarity to a Human Alliance Basic and a Powercore Combiners Twin pack in that they are essentially a scout class toy with a sidekick mini-figure.

 

Should we perhaps see that scale as Basic - if so what is the scale of the main figure on it's own still basic or is it a scout when you remove the partner from the calculation ?

 

Do you call the size above Mini-con Legion Legends - or perhaps you prefer the Japanese term 'EZ'

Speaking of Japanese they have called what we call a Deluxe a Standard class (STD-Class) [No that isn't a joke] do you like that term or any other Japanese terms.

 

What name classes didn't stick in the mind for you - 'Commander class' perhaps ?

 

Do you consider Minicons and Micromasters as the same size or are Minicons a slightly bigger class than Micromasters - or just another name for the same sort of thing ?

 

Do you like one term over another do you even remember them all - remember Super-con as a size class ?

I bet nearly everyone calls the Armada toys of that era Deluxes now when talking about them in a casual manner. which is odd in retrospect as perhaps there is something unique about the "Deluxes" of that era being unusually large that might suit the term Super-con even leaching over into Energon too - which also had pretty big toys.

 

If you have any thoughts on any of these matters please share them.



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Posted 06 July 2015 - 05:03 PM

I've been waiting for years for someone to explain to me why "Voyager" stuck as the class name for the $20-25 pricepoint after the Cybertron franchise.


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 05:12 PM

I've been waiting for years for someone to explain to me why "Voyager" stuck as the class name for the $20-25 pricepoint after the Cybertron franchise.

Because it has an awesome theme song.

 


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 05:23 PM

Somebody look the word "deluxe" up in the dictionary and tell me how it got applied to the 6-odd-inch toys and not the biggest flashiest ones.

 

I'm generally pretty agnostic about the names given to size classes as long as what the names refer to is clear and concise. When it was Legends then Scout then Deluxe then Voyager then Leader, I felt we had pretty much hit the best system - okay, the names for each class didn't necessarily fit them, but we knew what was what.

 

Then Cyberverse came along and started to muddle things a bit. Then Deluxes started really shrinking, ditto all the others after long enough. Not saying we necessarily need to change all the names all over again, but I would advocate some ironing-out. I figure that's only a little more likely than ironing out alt-mode scale issues, but I can dream, right?

 

I'm actually perfectly fine with the RiD'15 line taking different names like Warrior, because it helps outline the fact that while they're about the same size as the Deluxes of recent years, they're a lot more simplistic and hence not the same.


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#5 Mighty Maximal

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 06:08 PM

I've been waiting for years for someone to explain to me why "Voyager" stuck as the class name for the $20-25 pricepoint after the Cybertron franchise.

 

I think the possible explanation is kind simple really they went from a line that had all noise equipped toys of a larger size to eventually only infrequently having noises (like Vector Prime) and getting slowly a little smaller than an Armada Maxcon was - also perhaps they were worried that people might think all Max-con have the features of an Energon toy so change the features change the name - once the toys lost the features then they not longer needed to change the size name as a Generations Voyager is much like a Transformers Prime Voyager

though you still go the odd light up feature thrown in from time to time until recently.

I think 'Mega' didn't stick again simply as they stopped using it for a while. though it is in use again now on the RID-15 line.

 

Somebody look the word "deluxe" up in the dictionary and tell me how it got applied to the 6-odd-inch toys and not the biggest flashiest ones.

 

I'm generally pretty agnostic about the names given to size classes as long as what the names refer to is clear and concise. When it was Legends then Scout then Deluxe then Voyager then Leader, I felt we had pretty much hit the best system - okay, the names for each class didn't necessarily fit them, but we knew what was what.

 

Then Cyberverse came along and started to muddle things a bit. Then Deluxes started really shrinking, ditto all the others after long enough. Not saying we necessarily need to change all the names all over again, but I would advocate some ironing-out. I figure that's only a little more likely than ironing out alt-mode scale issues, but I can dream, right?

 

I'm actually perfectly fine with the RiD'15 line taking different names like Warrior, because it helps outline the fact that while they're about the same size as the Deluxes of recent years, they're a lot more simplistic and hence not the same.

 

That used to throw Power Rangers fans as Deluxe refers to things Like Megazords and always is some kind of larger toy not the "Standard" default size as it is with Transformers.... for a while in the G2 era it seemed like the default size was more akin to what we'd now call a scout - a lot of those toys from that era were on the small side compared to today even the Aquaspeeders are barely like 'Deluxes' in size.

 

I noticed this right away when I was comparing Armada Sideways with Robotmasters Doubleface.

 

Oh and yes I agree with your 2nd sentence - but think the old RID-2001 Super class (also known as Super-base class or a smaller Supreme like RID/Beast Machines Optimus Primal) is something I've always had a fondness for if only as it more easily allows Optimus Prime toys to be given a trailer.

 

I think Hasbro would probably think a Movie 2007 Ultimate Bumblebee and a Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor were the same sort of thing in terms of being big ol' Christmas toys - just like the current Super Bumblebee is... and the newer 'Titans' are a class above that - but there is even a discrepancy there as Metroplex is more of a huge toy than Devastator is.

 

I also specifically agree with your 4th sentence.



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Posted 06 July 2015 - 06:18 PM

lets go back to the g1 model where you payed what the thing cost and it didn't have to fit in margins 



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Posted 06 July 2015 - 06:33 PM

lets go back to the g1 model where you payed what the thing cost and it didn't have to fit in margins 

NO RETAILERS WILL CRY

 

CRY LIKE LITTLE BITCHES

 

They wouldn't be able to charge markup and wouldn't be able to deny us cool molds like UW Groove and Prime Breakdown anymore!


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 07:25 PM

lets go back to the g1 model where you payed what the thing cost and it didn't have to fit in margins 

NO RETAILERS WILL CRY
 
CRY LIKE LITTLE BITCHES
 
They wouldn't be able to charge markup and wouldn't be able to deny us cool molds like UW Groove and Prime Breakdown anymore!
I think they could deny us those molds easily!

Along with all other molds!

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 07:29 PM

Hasbrotoyshop.ca has a nice ring to it... I don't need to drive to stores that don't restock anyway - might be a good investment to not distribute to retailers anymore



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Posted 06 July 2015 - 07:35 PM

I prefer the Beast Wars size classes.
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Posted 06 July 2015 - 08:51 PM

I prefer the Beast Wars size classes.


Aaaah, I miss that too. Probably cuz prices were lower back then, haha. Basics, deluxes, megas, ultras... (Optimal Optimis was the only super?).

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 09:24 PM

I prefer the Beast Wars size classes.


Aaaah, I miss that too. Probably cuz prices were lower back then, haha. Basics, deluxes, megas, ultras... (Optimal Optimis was the only super?).

Tigerhawk and TM2 Megatron were supers as well iirc.
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Posted 06 July 2015 - 09:33 PM

Somebody look the word "deluxe" up in the dictionary and tell me how it got applied to the 6-odd-inch toys and not the biggest flashiest ones.

They were "deluxe" as compared to the smaller "basic" figures, signifying the most common size classes. The larger figures were given names that conveyed they were something special, in this case bigger and less numerous.

 

That's how Deluxe was applied. Why it just kinda stuck while all the others were slowly phased out... dunno.



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Posted 06 July 2015 - 09:40 PM

Yeah Deluxe makes sense to me still--barely--cause there are still smaller and simpler toys that exist. Even if they are just Legends.

I think in my mind a hypothetical Basic-Deluxe-Mega/Ultra-Leader scheme makes the most intuitive sense to me.


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 09:49 PM

Legends is a confusing name for the smallest size class. It implies "legendary", not the most *basic* of figures. Scout makes the most sense there.

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 10:05 PM

"Scout" nothin'. I want to see "Minibot" return. :)


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 10:16 PM

I prefer the Beast Wars size classes.


Aaaah, I miss that too. Probably cuz prices were lower back then, haha. Basics, deluxes, megas, ultras... (Optimal Optimis was the only super?).

Tigerhawk and TM2 Megatron were supers as well iirc.

No way. Op Op was the only figure in his class. Tigerhawk and TM2 Megs just seem huge for Ultras, because TM1 Ops and Megs were downgraded from Ultras to Megas.

Man, could you imagine what they could've done with TM Ops and Megs at the Ultra price point? *drool*

IMHO, Megas in Beast Wars were the bastard filler size class. The didn't feel like souped-up deluxes as much as they felt like stripped down Ultra wannabes.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 01:24 AM

Transmetals Optimus and Megatron as ultras? Well, Primal would be able to hide his robot legs in gorilla mode and could have more articulation but, WOW, an upgraded Transmetal trex Megatron? That would rock so hard! Doesn't even matter if his roller skating wheels can actually move or not, haha.

(Side thing but I'm pretty sure that the original trade off to vehicle modes for the Transmetals was that they could only fly (Primal, Cheetor, Megatron) or roll (Rattrap, Tarantulas) when in beast mode because, with their Transmetal bodies and the energon stabilizing into cubes, there were no good reasons for them to turn to beasts. The danger of stasis lock kept them shifting from bot to animal in season 1 but they didn't need the protection of organic skin in season 2 so the transport modes as beasts was needed for toyetic display opportunities. But Primal and Megatron flew in bot mode in the Agenda cuz plot needed dramatic visuals, hehe.)

Oh and Megas were ok but, true, they were almost a step in between that's strange. I think it was Dave Van Dolmen who said that the last wave of BW and first wave of BM had a bit where the small, not so nice BM Mega shower curtain dragon Megatron only needed $5 extra and you could get the bigger, more superior BW Ultra dragon Megatron, who were essentially the same figure except having Megatron's grey controller mode.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 03:39 AM

Perhaps the Voyager Price point could evolve into the $30.00 Plus price point getting more like an old Ultra In the process of a bit smaller smaller Leader, Leaders can be bumped up in size a bit so they are more solid and substantial toys again (they are already getting expensive toys - they just lack the detail to always back that up). So things like say Leader Combiner wars Starscream would be a bit small under that regime. Maybe around the size of Optimal Optimus or ROTF Leader Optimus.

 

Then you can have a size that might suit Titan Wars which would be like an old Super - somewhere along the line that would run from Super FireConvoy or MP-01 size through Supreme Optimus Primal to Unicron - but smaller than Combiner Wars Devastator ideal for larger characters like Diatlas, Victory Lio, Star Convoy, Overlord or Starsaber

 

Speaking of some Ultra's being huge - I'd offer Nightscream as an example. He barely fits on my shelf he's so tall.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 12:09 PM

I actually miss the Mega size class. It allowed for some slightly larger/more complicated figures tjan the Deluxe class but left the enormous guys with their own size class.