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@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.


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#61 Fishbug

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:22 PM

Cell calls them Frost Demons, but what does Cell know about aliens?


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 10:25 PM

Cell calls them Frost Demons, but what does Cell know about aliens?

Whatever Dr. Gero found out from using Frieza's(And the Saiyans' and Piccolo's, if you're talking about aliens in general.) cells I would guess.

Which probably wouldn't include a name.


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 10:36 PM

Unless Gero was using Abstergo software to sort out the genes.


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 10:50 PM

also, it should be noted, Frieza's ability to transform is actually meant too make him WEAKER. His final form is his TRUE form, and all of his other stages are something he does to tone himself down and fool his enemies. That's something the Cooler movie actually got wrong. So by all rights, a new "ascended" Frieza shouldn't change his appearance beyond color whatsoever.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:05 AM

You know, I think it's kind of weird we haven't seen any forms with extra arms yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if they go there at some point.

Tien had a power-up that gave him extra arms back in the original Dragon Ball, but didn't use it much because he had a hard time coordinating them properly.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:25 AM

also, it should be noted, Frieza's ability to transform is actually meant too make him WEAKER. His final form is his TRUE form, and all of his other stages are something he does to tone himself down and fool his enemies. That's something the Cooler movie actually got wrong. So by all rights, a new "ascended" Frieza shouldn't change his appearance beyond color whatsoever.


It still makes him look like the Freeza you'd find in a bootleg toy store.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:20 AM

And Super Saiyan is Goku with dumb knockoff banana-hair, doesn't stop it working really well. I get why you don't like it, but it fits, especially since it's a one-off thing.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:11 AM

Super Saiyan is a simple but effective design change. Freeza turning gold is just somewhat uninspiring, like Toriyama decided SS had set a precedent for gold being the colour of going past one's limits.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:39 AM

The thing is, Frieza is the DBZ villain and his final form is his iconic look, a movie that's all about bringing back Frieza can't change his look too far without losing the strength of that nostalgia hit. It's a solid compromise.
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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:17 AM

I hope Saiyaman gets an upgrade at some point. The only change to him so far is that he swapped his helmet for the bandanna and shades.

That's not very toyetic of him.

 

 

 

You know, I think it's kind of weird we haven't seen any forms with extra arms yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if they go there at some point.

Tien had a power-up that gave him extra arms back in the original Dragon Ball, but didn't use it much because he had a hard time coordinating them properly.

 

 

Oh yeah, I think I remember that. I had a hard time catching the later arcs of Dragon Ball when they were airing and I have yet to completely rewatch/read it.

 

Maybe they should revisit that with Tien.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:45 AM

And Super Saiyan is Goku with dumb knockoff banana-hair, doesn't stop it working really well. I get why you don't like it, but it fits, especially since it's a one-off thing.

This is so completely wrong. It's clearly pineapple hair. 


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:34 AM

The thing is, Frieza is the DBZ villain and his final form is his iconic look, a movie that's all about bringing back Frieza can't change his look too far without losing the strength of that nostalgia hit. It's a solid compromise.

 

He's also the villain associated with what may be the longest five minutes in shonen. 

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 01:43 PM

The thing is, Frieza is the DBZ villain and his final form is his iconic look, a movie that's all about bringing back Frieza can't change his look too far without losing the strength of that nostalgia hit. It's a solid compromise.

 
He's also the villain associated with what may be the longest five minutes in shonen. 
 
Five words: "Are they still on Namek?"

At least it resulted in one of my favorite gags in DBZ Abridged when Goku calls him on it.

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"What?"
"Do you know what a minute is? Because I don't think you do."

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:59 PM

 

 

The thing is, Frieza is the DBZ villain and his final form is his iconic look, a movie that's all about bringing back Frieza can't change his look too far without losing the strength of that nostalgia hit. It's a solid compromise.

 
He's also the villain associated with what may be the longest five minutes in shonen. 
 
Five words: "Are they still on Namek?"

 

At least it resulted in one of my favorite gags in DBZ Abridged when Goku calls him on it.

"Do you have a watch?"
"What?"
"Do you know what a minute is? Because I don't think you do."

 

 

Yeah, I liked all of how they handled that, because Freiza would always sound confused about how long it would take and just 'claim' five minutes, several times, iirc, before Goku actually calls him out on it.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 03:05 PM

It gets better when you remember that Goku actually counted out five minutes earlier while charging the Spirit Bomb. He calls Frieza out on it because he KNOWS what five minutes is.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:02 PM

Honestly I'm gonna be kinda miffed if at least one TFS guy doesn't get a VA role in this, however small.  They've basically been the characters and voices for what 5 or so years when it comes to DBZ?  I mean Lani's Vegeta is The Vegeta when I think of the character when he's not dropping pop culture references.  Just the right mix of warrior arrogance and elitism that makes the character.

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:10 PM

I don't pay too much attention beyond watching the videos when they come out, but Toei, or at least Funimation, must just treat them as free advertising at this point, right?


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:13 PM

Only reason they haven't been hit by massive DMCAs.

 

Ironbite-wonder what they'll do once they finish up in 2 years.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:31 PM

Ironbite-wonder what they'll do once they finish up in 2 years.

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:35 PM

Plenty of movies to go through, too.



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