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@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I'll agree with you on that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

*Figured -_-

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I fugured

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 May 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I'm actually sad Cyberverse won't get another season. 2 and 3 (of what I've seen) have REALLY nailed it in being fun little actions shows, like the Sunbow series.

@  Rycochet : (25 May 2020 - 01:00 PM)

Yes.

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 May 2020 - 12:52 PM)

I'm waiting for Animated season 4. Am I insane?

@  wonko the sane? : (25 May 2020 - 11:22 AM)

I'm waiting for the next season to show up on netflix.

@  Sabrblade : (25 May 2020 - 10:59 AM)

Many of us have already watched the rest of the Cyberverse episodes since the whole third season aired in the UK last September.

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 10:18 AM)

*9th

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 10:17 AM)

I just saw the 8th episode... omg

@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2020 - 01:28 AM)

Already seen it online.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:42 PM)

Who's excited for tomorrow? The only thing that makes Monday worth it is the Cyberverse episodes .-.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 May 2020 - 12:30 PM)

Welcome. I just came into that trick myself recently, so happy to share.

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 12:05 PM)

Thanks, wonko the sane? for the tip with the cloning. That helped a lot!

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 12:02 PM)

Heheh.... yes... I don't think a sniper would be very good at making a vaccine... 0.0

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 11:48 AM)

All right! Cloning my old HHD to an SSD and then swapping out the drive was successful, it would appear. Finally.

@  Bass X0 : (24 May 2020 - 11:30 AM)

Scientist Perceptor is. Sniper Perceptor less so.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:51 AM)

Perceptor would be more responsible.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:48 AM)

Oof x~x

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 10:45 AM)

He'd cure the virus, but he'd probably commit at least two crimes against nature and weaponize a third in the process.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:39 AM)

'Horrible consequences' would most likely happen with Brainstorm...

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 08:16 AM)

Totally. And Percy's not even human. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 06:50 AM)

Can't do much worse than our current government, I say go for it.

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Little do we realize that the Perceptor in question is the Mini-Con combiner. :p

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

He would!!!

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

Horrible consequences? I... Doubt that would happen.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:55 PM)

Even if he would come up with the answer by tomorrow.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:54 PM)

I'd rather not deal with the horrible but unintended consequences of that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 09:52 PM)

Lets let Perceptor make a vaccine for COVID-19. Who agrees with me :)

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 08:43 PM)

I'll take your word for it. =D

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:42 PM)

Although the TV edits of Robocop do contain some hilarity

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:41 PM)

I can't think of any instance where sanitizing a film is a good thing.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 06:42 PM)

.... and thats a good thing? :doh

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 May 2020 - 06:39 PM)

I'm watching Predator on Starz! That means it has all the language and gore uncensored!

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 04:23 PM)

*grabs popcorn*

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 12:49 PM)

*watching everyone argue* O^O

@  fourteenwings : (23 May 2020 - 10:22 AM)

By that logic we might as well just get rid of the Shoutbox wholesale! I'd rather have like 3 or 4 things stuck for a week or so than one person dominating the whole thing (no offense Nevermore).

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 May 2020 - 03:30 AM)

I would argue that "full of something one doesn't read" and "devoid of reading material" are functionally identical at the end-user level. :D

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:58 PM)

If it emptied, it would become empty.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 07:53 PM)

It would be the same effect as if the shoutbox simply emptied once or twice a week.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:27 PM)

I don't see how having walls of the same guy on top whenever I go to any page on this site is "refreshing".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 06:10 PM)

I don't know, I find the occasional flushing of the box to be refreshing.

@  Telly : (22 May 2020 - 04:20 PM)

but its gets annoying seeing a wall of text from him that takes up most of the shoutbox

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Eh, that's just Nevermore.

@  fourteenwings : (22 May 2020 - 12:11 AM)

@Nevermore: Good rule of thumb is if you feel like you need not just multiple statements but also multiple shouts to make a point, best just make a thread.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 05:36 PM)

Dude, do you just, not know when to stop?

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:35 PM)

Instead of "I have only ten hours to get all my stuff from place A to place B", it's more like "I temporarily stored 90% of my stuff in easily accessible place C in my spare time, so now I have ten hours to get the remaining 10% of my stuff over to the new place before permanently saying goodbye to the old place".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 PM)

At these point you two are just repeating what you already said.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:32 PM)

Again using my "moving apartments" analogy. If you can store the stuff you don't immediately need for everyday life somewhere else, it reduces the critical time of permanently switching your primary base of residence over to the new place because there's less stuff to move when the time comes.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:30 PM)

Well, my main point is that it will speed up the system migration so I have A) less system downtime because there are fewer files to transfer before the new system can be up and running and B) it reduces the risk of something going wrong during the system migration.


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 01:58 PM

So I saw Altered Carbon on Netflix. I'm going to try to avoid any serious spoilers....

 

The story and characters don't move too much beyond gritty action movie types played reasonably well, but the sci-fi is all pretty decent. Like, there are a few rules of the universe you just accept going in - like no matter what the time scale, we're going to ignore the idea of technological progress and assume the society presented has always been pretty much as it is, and some of the core bits of tech just work the way they say they do so just go with it etc. It's also refreshingly not a didactic dystopia with a lot of one-sided philosophical arguments or one of those dumb dystopia movies that expect to topple the evil empire / exploitative global scheme / secret oligarchic cabal / homicidal super-AI by the end of the runtime. Altered Carbon is a little too big in scope by the end to call a personal story, but it sets up a murder mystery (or rather two) as the hook and that's exactly what it delivers on by the end. 

 

The last post-cyberpunk series I'd seen was Dollhouse (good sci-fi and characters, effing terrible plot) and I still have a bad taste in my mouth a decade after Battlestar Galactica's nonsensical handling of AI, synthetic bodies, and backup minds. Compared to either, AC has a lot more trappings of Blade Runner, Johnny Mnemonic, and, thanks to a couple of katana fights, possibly Shadowrun. It's dripping with noir, centered on a character who could be described as a private detective with a second lease on life and his interactions with his wealthy patron and the police force, with an awful lot of gangs and often-murdered sex workers in between. 

 

But mostly I'm just surprised by what entirely decent sci-fi it is. All of its central devices are simplified and follow precise video game rules, but are analogous to roughly realish things that could exist. Equally importantly, no one ever invents something offhand in an afternoon that breaks all the rules. The social implications of those technologies are explored from a variety of perspectives through characters for whom they mean different things. When characters have philosophical opinions, they're largely derived from the backgrounds and contexts those characters come from, not ours in the present, and technologies aren't all good or all evil but have complicated social impacts that don't hinge on any one person's good or bad intentions for them. It's very ... just mature in its approach to technology and science speculation in a way that I don't see in sci-fi on TV ever.  (There is some contrived BS with how VR is handled in a technical sense, which results in it not quite adding up that it's used the way we see it used knowing what we know about it and seeming a little Power of Heart, but even then, I have to give them some credit - the part that's broken is at least consistent every time it comes up and not a big reveal.)

 

I really enjoyed this series. It's suspenseful, the characters are engaging enough, and it doesn't blow up in a contrived mess of make-something-up at the end. The action is good, the tech is handled well, the various layers of who's playing who for what reason and with what leverage from where all feel mostly coherent and in-character most of the time, and somehow manage not to feel insultingly telegraphed or hard to follow. I had a lot of fun. 

 

I did have some nags about how some incidental things were shot or presented that felt less smart than the rest of the show. There's a bloodsport fight scene at one stage that's shot to make it look both dopey and brutal so long as we're supposed to be aghast that the characters are being forced to fight, which is ... a little hard to take seriously in a series that's up to 15% or more brutal fight scenes played for power fantasy. There's also some needless sexualization of one of the female leads early on that feels like HBO nipple quotas in action. That would be meaninglessly annoying anywhere else, but in this series, sexy and very often female bodies, and sometimes the people inside them, are a literal actual commodity that people pay lots of exploitative moneys for in this society, so 1) I'm pretty sure that any and all hypothetical quotas were duly met within twenty minutes in any given episode, and 2) slickly presented and soullessly objectifying sexualization has, like, these very specific meanings in this show, precisely in connection with the highest and lowest tiers of society, tied to sex as currency as well as bodies for hire or designer-made, so having our middle-class, all-natural heroine shot in exactly the same way in a private moment was just ... yeah, lacking in self-awareness. 

 

One spoiler comment for anyone who has on the off chance already seen it, which is a small thing about the ending that itches me about the presentation rather than the characters or plot, but I can't comment on without ruining everything.

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Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 04 September 2019 - 06:23 PM

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 08:41 PM

I could have told them that. They really do just assume animals are barely conscious flesh robots until shown otherwise, don't they?

 

 

It’s still not clear how squirrels learn to tune in to avian chitchat.

 

Why don't you just ask one? There is no need to overcomplicate this. If you really want to understand how their network works, just join their network.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:19 AM

Some of us never took any levels in Beastmaster, alright?



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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:42 AM

Fnu isn't just a beastmaster, he's an outright beastman.



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Posted 05 September 2019 - 10:29 AM

Worse, he's a Florida Man.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 10:46 AM

After I'd read the article, I eventually found the little pop-out dialog at the very top asking me if my location was right that removed the dark screen. Lovely site design there. X ]

 

It isn't too surprising that squirrels would have responses in relation to environmental noise but it is really cool. Like, just because something would be obvious to a human doesn't always mean it's obvious to other animals and it's unwise to anthropomorphize, but it's also easy to short-sell the intelligence of non-human animals and overlook signals they'd definitely be able to distinguish and that they'd have obvious advantage in paying attention to.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 01:51 PM

I don't think the 'don't anthropomorphize' advice is as good as it sounds. It sounds more scientific, but it's not until we can define what 'anthropomorphic' means and what's the cutoff. It can't just be taken for granted that some capability of ours belongs to some special exclusive domain until there's some actual reason to think it does.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 02:33 PM

Fnu, of course you don't think that "be sensible" is good advice. Do you not think I'm cringing whenever you show up to discuss your animal observations? If I wasn't avoiding responding to you more directly the first time, I would have just done so. = / Maybe in this case you're getting lost in your own reasoning and there's some genuine misunderstanding there that isn't just spraying chaff, but on the whole I expect you to interpret any information you encounter as evidence for whatever you think is the most interesting story. In Pony, in politics, in life.

 

I still don't really want to explain what you just said, though. I don't mind explaining the concepts, but that's different to engaging with a defense grid of deepities and special pleading excuses around the perimeter of someone's dearly held preconceptions, and I know well enough that's what I'd be getting myself into. Not a lot of fun for either of us.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 02:34 PM

I think a lot of people see "doesn't process information as a human would" and stop at "doesn't process information."

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 02:48 PM

That's probably likely. But we're all also pretty prone to assign meanings to things animals do based on what they would mean to us. I mean that's just a natural consequence of the way human brains are wired to interpret other human brains first and foremost, and tend to see them in damn near everything. So for another intelligent mammal with an inner world that's going to be in many respects just as complex as ours, but isn't ours? I'm honestly not sure which instinct is more wrong.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 04:32 PM

I'm reminded of a conversation in Mass Effect 2, where Legion can call Shepard out. "No two species are identical. All must be judged by their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism."

 

For reference, Legion is a geth platform. The geth are an AI hive mind; each individual runtime is about as smart as a graphing calculator, they gain intelligence and sapience by networking together. The average geth trooper enemy has around 250 runtimes, while Legion contains 1,183.



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Posted 05 September 2019 - 06:37 PM

I think a lot of people see "doesn't process information as a human would" and stop at "doesn't process information."

 
I have encountered this. People like that are real.
 

That's probably likely. But we're all also pretty prone to assign meanings to things animals do based on what they would mean to us. I mean that's just a natural consequence of the way human brains are wired to interpret other human brains first and foremost, and tend to see them in damn near everything.

 

And we should not do that and I don't aim to do that, but that's sort of a different thing, isn't it? "Don't anthropomorphize" can and should mean "Don't assign human meanings to things animals do". I'm wary about it being used to mean "Don't assign human capabilities to animals" which takes for granted that something strictly is a human capability, when it might not be and needs to actually be shown that it is.

It's not a moot issue. I have argued with somebody who said with no qualifiers whatsoever "Dogs don't think." Frigging dogs of all things. People do go that far with what they'll assume is a strictly human thing. Thinking at all.
 

So for another intelligent mammal with an inner world that's going to be in many respects just as complex as ours, but isn't ours? I'm honestly not sure which instinct is more wrong.

 

It's a good question, because this really is a sliding scale with two wrong ends. I think enough animals have enough overlap with us that the "All animals are as dumb as coral" end of the spectrum is more egregiously wrong.

 

edit: Actually this sliding scale is more of a triangle. The third corner would be occupied by the "All animals are basically dogs" people that end up getting kicked by horses because they fail to read a very un-doglike cue.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:19 PM

It's already making a triangle with the line from dirt to humans, because the actual animal is somewhere else out in 3D space not on that line.

You're phrasing it in a way that implies that you're being cautious, but you're literally saying "assume everything is like people until demonstrated otherwise", which is not cautious.
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:31 AM

I'd put it more that I default to assuming things our brains do are just things brains do until I see a reason to think they're special. Obviously we have one hell of an expansion pack but it's mostly building on a basic set of tools. Pattern recognition and association skills go a very long way, and even fish can manage that.

 

And, life is kinda formulaic. Eat, hug, try not to get eaten. There's definitely some overlap in life experiences across species. I expect that to produce some overlap in psychologies. Like, there's only so many ways to solve the same problems.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 11:46 AM

Well, as far as that goes, I think we tend to assume way too much about human intelligence as a tabula rasa general intelligence with a generalized pattern-matching, problem solving scheme. Those are abilities we can emulate and learn, but we're just trained monkeys seeing the world from a monkey's eye view, straining the limits of our (admittedly uniquely developed) capacity for metaphor to do math with subsystems that still think they're solving problems about fruit and dominance hierarchies. I mean technically we understand nearly everything by that same crutch of anthropomorphizing at even the most fundamental level, which is why we say that nature abhors a vacuum or electrons "want" to drop to a lower energy shell. So I don't see a stack of abstract capacities that you just have or don't.
 
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 03:39 PM

I think I agree with all of those words.

 

Cute bird, and nice claws on that hand.


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 04:13 PM

So, that most recent PONY.

 

It's a BEST FRIENDS episode and doesn't really need any context before watching it.

 

We all want to give Starlight a hug now.


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 04:42 PM

I legit had it in my head that the series had had its finale and was over. I don't know why or how I thought this was the case.

But 9.20, "A Horse Shoe In" goes on the list of episodes to go see at some point then. I mean, I could also just wait for the season to end and then Ctrl+F the Wikipedia synopses list for "Starlight", but X]
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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:08 AM

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