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@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.


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How do we not have a Steven Universe thread?!


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#21 Maruten

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 04:31 PM

How DO we not have a thread already? I was just thinking that a few days ago. Because this show. THIS SHOW.

It's not that uncommon for a "kids' show" to have a vein of deeper complexity or heaviness under the surface, but it's rarely as well executed as it has been here. Nothing is more wonderful than a goofy, hilarious thing that can bust out a tear-jerker or a genuine shock now and then. Sprinkled with the best songwriting of any animated TV series since... what? What's the last show that can top these bizarre, haunting, hilarious, wonderful songs?

I love Adventure Time, and I love it the most when it's delving into past lives or dark history or recurring arm injuries or making me bawl over Simon and Marcy. But it just can't top the world building and the amazing characters of Steven Universe. Steven himself is just such an amazing and beautiful and unique protagonist, and the Gems become more fascinating and intriguing and uh-oh! with every revelation. Initially I loved Amethyst, liked Garnet and wasn't particularly fond of Pearl. But there's plenty to love about all of them (though yeah, let's maybe stamp that "#1" next to Garnet).

Are there other current shows with a similar level of "make you laugh til you cry and then punch you in the gut"? Does Gravity Falls develop that kind of depth? I (gravity) fell behind.

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 04:43 PM

I think it's pretty much on par with how Adventure Time wove it's story.  Yes it doesn't seem to be connected at first glance and everything seems random but there's a thread being woven through every episode.  A thread that when they put it up front and center, you go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!" and realize exactly that each story they told had some element, some feature that the main thread is composed of that you can't help but see exactly the message the creators were going for.

 

As for the characters, each one is pretty well rounded without being annoying.  The thing I love about the Crystal Gems is their utter hopelessness at all the human things that Steven does but at the same time there's this love they have for him that feels different then the love they had for Rose Quartz.  It's pretty obvious they admired and loved Rose for all of her accomplishments but with Steven, you can see just how each Gem reacts to this lovable oaf who tries his damndest to live up to their expectations.  He might not be able to but he tires, oh lord does he try to not disappoint them in any way.  

 

Ironbite-it's just one of those shows that you don't see much nowadays.


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Posted 21 March 2015 - 05:26 PM

I think Universe does a better job at having a unified backstory than Adventure Time. AT I feel introduces things as random, and later they decide to utilize them officially (Ice King's beardflying for instance), whereas Steven Universe has more "a-HA" moments that are obviously deliberate once viewed in retrospect.

 

I too was surprised to not see a thread. Between this and Gravity Falls, last week was a hell of a homerun for US cartoons.



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Posted 21 March 2015 - 11:09 PM

I dug this show from the first time I heard the Cookie Cat song ("He left his family behind!" Why the HELL is that part of a commercial jingle?), but the recent multi-parter really just put it over the top.

I think I still like Adventure Time more, but Garnet's song rivals even the best scenes of that show.

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:00 AM

It's not often we get combination song/fight scenes like that, it was a real treat.


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 07:50 AM

The thing that stands out to me most about this show is it's co-run by Ian Jones. I know he quit webcomics to go and work in TV animation, but some part of me still wishes he hadn't called it quits RIGHT when RPG World was starting its big finale.

 

It's sad that never had an ending and yet stuff like MegaTokyo is still going.


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 09:30 AM

I want to like this show, but every time i catch it the characters all seem so obnoxious. its like king of the hill.
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Posted 22 March 2015 - 09:44 AM

I want to like this show, but every time i catch it the characters all seem so obnoxious. its like king of the hill.

Well, that wasn't a comparison I was expecting.

 

Although I guess both shows feature chubby boys with girl friends named Connie


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:07 PM

I love this show.  I think the reason it does a better job with the unified back story is that it was planned that way from the start, where I think I read somewhere that Adventure Time just kind of evolved into the story as it went.  Both shows are great, but there are some really awesome elements to this that make it stand out.



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 04:33 AM

This gave me a severe case of the giggles so I thought I'd share:

 


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 04:58 AM

I'm fairly sure we did have a thread, I remember posting in it. maybe it was not titled as such?

I have a friend who is very into this, and I watched a few myself... Buuut it's frankly, not for me. I appreciate the "magical girl" style and the deeper backstory we sometimes see, the animation is nice and the characters endearing. But frankly, the buildup for the revelation on the Gems was atrociously slow, and most episodes deal with mundane everyday stuff in a rather boring manner. I understand why some would like this, but for me, the show is too boring.

Btw, I mentioned this before, but it's a nice nod to Sailor Moon that Lion has the same color scheme as season 2 monster of the day Falion.

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 05:58 AM

Steven actively reads Sailor Moon(Mentioned in the canonical Newsarama Interview and also had a copy on his nightstand in an episode.), so I imagine there's some intention in that.


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:14 AM

I do like this show, although Lars needs to get catapulted into the nearest volcano. His only redeeming feature (for want of a better word) is an example of what not to be like.

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:31 AM

Steven actively reads Sailor Moon(Mentioned in the canonical Newsarama Interview and also had a copy on his nightstand in an episode.), so I imagine there's some intention in that.

 

Neat, didn't know that! Also, most people theorise Lion is

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:54 AM

Steven actively reads Sailor Moon(Mentioned in the canonical Newsarama Interview and also had a copy on his nightstand in an episode.), so I imagine there's some intention in that.

 
Neat, didn't know that! Also, most people theorise Lion is
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Well the fact it's linked to her very significantly is made pretty obvious throughout the series.

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Edit: Also the episode "Rose's Room" is really head-screwy.

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 09:13 PM

I do like this show, although Lars needs to get catapulted into the nearest volcano. His only redeeming feature (for want of a better word) is an example of what not to be like.

 

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 09:48 PM

I'm now like completely hooked on this show in a big way. Trying desperately not skip ahead on episodes.



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:43 PM

Good luck. The reveals are very well done. The viewers learn things at the same time as Steven, so skipping ahead loses a lot of impact.

Edited by Sjogre, 25 March 2015 - 06:01 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:57 PM

Anyone make gemsonas/personafications of Marvel's Infinity Gems yet?

A quick tumblr search just turned up some people wondering the same thing, but calling them "Infinity Stones".


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:14 PM

No, but that's a pretty rad idea.

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