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@  Dekafox : (19 February 2020 - 06:14 PM)

Count Zero?

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 February 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Oh boy, here we go.

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:34 PM)

Or do Japan's cultural values vary depending on exactly who you're trying to shut down?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:33 PM)

Could it be that, perhaps, these different cultural values might lead to a different approach seeming appropriate?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Hm. Back when we were arguing about the Legends comic, I seem to recall being repeatedly told that Japan had different cultural values than the US (and therefore anyone who had a problem with anything at all was wrong to voice that opinion ever).

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:23 AM)

Plus, as much as I hate to admit it, every single anime character is built to suit the audience's tastes so they buy more merch/do other things that allow $$$ to flow in the production committees direction, so the authenticity is certainly not for representation's sake.

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Both those anime air at midnight and are aimed at a very specific audience in a whole other media landscape. Major projects have press releases about almost everything, and there are groups just waiting to pat anybody on the back for doing what they want (GLAAD, HRC, etc)

@  B-Fox : (19 February 2020 - 03:16 AM)

It's funny that a friggin' anime about zombie idols and an anime about a school of anthropomorphic animals can have really positive trans characters WITHOUT a press release about their inclusion in the series prior to the episodes airing or having the creators announcing it on social media and patting themselves on the back for doing a thing.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2020 - 10:26 PM)

Vegan meat needs bacon

@  Paladin : (18 February 2020 - 08:43 PM)

vegan meat must taste delicious. they're grass-fed and regularly exercised....

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Vegans are better than kids if you don't talk to them. They'll keep the lawn trimmed anyway.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Do you want vegans? Because that's how you get vegans.

@  CORVUS : (18 February 2020 - 04:33 PM)

Hook up your sprinkler system to a canister of healthy organic carrot-juice. The kids won't be able to get off your lawn fast enough.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 03:59 PM)

Just use the hose.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 03:52 PM)

Ask bing. It'll be a FAR more effective answer.

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Google, how do I get those durned kids off my lawn?

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Please ignore.  Old man here apparently doesn't know the difference between the "Search" field and the "Shoutbox" field.

 

Also doesn't know how to delete from the shoutbox

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)

Hey

@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)

MORE POINTS FOR BLITZWING!

@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.


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Posted 02 February 2015 - 11:59 PM

Written by: James Roberts
Art by: Alex Milne
Colors by: Joana LaFuente
Letters by: Tom B. Long
Editor: John Barber

Elegant Chaos, Part 2: Stet

 

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I didn’t intend to review this. Last time I worked really hard on a Quantum Leap joke and not one person commented, liked, or even groaned in exasperation. Then Kalidor told me that failure to review the comic would result in my being lost to the timestream. Something about the last board upgrade making him a Time Lord… I laughed, but then he threatened to change history and prevent coffee from existing. I can’t take the chance that he’s serious.

 

So! The penultimate chapter of “Elegant Chaos” sees our time-hopping heroes continuing to chase Brainstorm through Cybertron’s past. They comb the city-state of Rodion, trying to be inconspicuous and barely doing so. Tailgate and Cyclonus have a great moment together. We also see the world through the eyes of Ultra Magnus again, albeit very briefly. I love that gag so much.

 

After Brainstorm eludes Cyclonus and makes another time-jump, the crew follows him further into the past. Here we’re treated to a fantastic alternate POV on some scenes from Transformers #20 and MTMTE #9. It’s always fun to see Roberts show his hand on his long setups. Sometimes I wonder how much of it’s actually planned and how much of it he just throws in hoping to make sense of it later, but I’m not sure the difference matters as long as he can keep pulling it off.

 

Chromedome and Rewind get their own great moment together, and I’m really thrilled at Whirl’s use of “junxy”. It’s Whirl so he means it in a somewhat demeaning manner, but somehow this equivalent to “hubby” or “wifey” still manages to be a nice little affirmation of their relationship. Immediately following that, four different holy-crap/did-that-just-happen/that-can’t-be-good things occur in as many pages and just when I can’t take any more–To Be Concluded!

 

I don’t want to overlook Milne and LaFuente’s contributions here. Under their care the characters practically breathe (well, if they weren’t robots) and Cybertron is just… alive. When Cyclonus needs a moment to compose himself, I’m right there with him. Somehow with all the detail that’s being packed into the main characters, Milne still makes room for Easter eggs too!

 

Favorite Line: “I think we’ve made a huge mistake” –Megatron, who I now desperately want to hear voiced by Will Arnett.

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:27 AM

So I think I just pieced together Brainstorm's plan, while coupling it with other information we know about Megatron:

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Of course, I expect Roberts to blow this theory away in issue 38, but it was fun to brainstorm.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:44 AM

Of course, I expect Roberts to blow this theory away in issue 38, but it was fun to brainstorm.

 

HA HA BRAINSTORM.

 

(This issue was great, by the way.)



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:46 AM

 

Of course, I expect Roberts to blow this theory away in issue 38, but it was fun to brainstorm.

 

HA HA BRAINSTORM.

 

(This issue was great, by the way.)

 

Oh wow, I didn't even realize I did that. Ha.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:58 AM

I'm not sure about it being Brainstorm's PLAN, but I'm fairly certain it's what will wind up HAPPENING (mainly because I'm not sold on the idea that Brainstorm's a straight-up Con). The next issue text mentions a "terrible, terrible choice" - perhaps Rodimus's team are faced not just with saving Megatron, but with actually CREATING him, essentially making them responsible for the war.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 04:01 AM

As always, a great book. Megatron and Impactor hanging out in a bar is something I could happily have read a hundred more pages of.

The "aaiiieee brainstorm is actually after Megatron not Prime" moment was a little less shocking than I expected, but yeah, not over yet -- I'm sure the final chapter will bring some surprises.

Poor Rung. (x2)

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 04:26 AM

I'm not sure about it being Brainstorm's PLAN, but I'm fairly certain it's what will wind up HAPPENING (mainly because I'm not sold on the idea that Brainstorm's a straight-up Con). The next issue text mentions a "terrible, terrible choice" - perhaps Rodimus's team are faced not just with saving Megatron, but with actually CREATING him, essentially making them responsible for the war.

Well, Brainstorm may know what's going on to SOME extent. He DID take out Rung.

Either he was trying to prevent the barroom brawl by doing that, or he was making sure there weren't two in the same room at once.

If he knows Rung was there it's possible he was somehow eavesdropping during the therapy session - he HAD been standing near the door after all. As if he knows Rung was involved in the encounter, only way I can think of he'd know that was from hearing the therapy session, in which Rung himself didn't remember being there.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 05:13 AM

I'm not sure about it being Brainstorm's PLAN, but I'm fairly certain it's what will wind up HAPPENING (mainly because I'm not sold on the idea that Brainstorm's a straight-up Con). The next issue text mentions a "terrible, terrible choice" - perhaps Rodimus's team are faced not just with saving Megatron, but with actually CREATING him, essentially making them responsible for the war.

 

And in some ways, our view as readers of the awful totalitarian future that would have otherwise come to pass is a way of redeeming them as characters for making that call.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 05:23 AM

 

I'm not sure about it being Brainstorm's PLAN, but I'm fairly certain it's what will wind up HAPPENING (mainly because I'm not sold on the idea that Brainstorm's a straight-up Con). The next issue text mentions a "terrible, terrible choice" - perhaps Rodimus's team are faced not just with saving Megatron, but with actually CREATING him, essentially making them responsible for the war.

Well, Brainstorm may know what's going on to SOME extent. He DID take out Rung.

Either he was trying to prevent the barroom brawl by doing that, or he was making sure there weren't two in the same room at once.

If he knows Rung was there it's possible he was somehow eavesdropping during the therapy session - he HAD been standing near the door after all. As if he knows Rung was involved in the encounter, only way I can think of he'd know that was from hearing the therapy session, in which Rung himself didn't remember being there.

 

 

I'm certain the idea is that Brainstorm was attempting to stop the bar-room brawl from happening by knocking out Past-Rung. That's why he groans "unbeLIEvable" when it happens anyway. He's trying to stop Megatron from starting the war, not ensure the timeline as we know it.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 07:00 AM

I continue to be intrigued by the constant suggestions that the everything the time-travellers do is already part of established history - Hammer and Anvil never did turn up in Chaos Theory, Rodimus was safely born in Nyon, and I'd bet anything that it was always a future Rung that got beaten up at Maccadam's.

Quite what this would imply, though, considering that the "Functionist Dystopia" timeline is clearly a thing, and the present day is getting weird time effects, I don't know.

My guess would that "our" timeline is actually the result of time travel, with Brainstorm's attempts to change history inadvertently ensuring it plays out as expected. This would be consistent with the time travel we saw way back in RID #10, which used the 'immutable history' rules also seen in (to pick an example off the top of my head) the Harry Potter books. i.e. Turmoil always lost his eye to a time-travelling Orion, Varta was always killed by a time-travelling Bludgeon, etc.

The "altered" timeline, then, is a glimpse at how events would've played out otherwise, without any time-travel, and it's asserting itself for (sigh) "timey-wimey" reasons whilst the time machine is active. Once all the time travellers are back and the machine is disabled, history will snap back to the established events.

Also, it was nice to see that the four pages from Chaos Theory and Shadowplay were included 'free of charge' - there was still the standard 22 pages of new content.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 07:39 AM

Two things that intrigue me:

 

First, I'm pretty sure that some of those shapes in the past are female Cybertronians. I wonder how that connects to Barber's retcon that females were somehow lost and forgotten in the past.

 

Second, just who did Whirl kill? You KNOW that has to be important.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 07:45 AM

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:24 AM

This story gets better all the time. And the idea that Megatron is made from a future time travelling spark brought back by Brainstorm and tye gang just makes me wonder about who Megatron would have been otherwise.

Also, i did go back and fix my not liking the Quantum Leap joke. Pity i can't actually go back a fix my forgetting to do it at the time of course. :)

And now i'm trying to cast a TF version of Quantum Leap. Who should be Al?

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:11 AM

I'm not sure about it being Brainstorm's PLAN, but I'm fairly certain it's what will wind up HAPPENING (mainly because I'm not sold on the idea that Brainstorm's a straight-up Con). The next issue text mentions a "terrible, terrible choice" - perhaps Rodimus's team are faced not just with saving Megatron, but with actually CREATING him, essentially making them responsible for the war.

 

Yeah, I can see the stolen 0,1% spark coming into play, but not like that. Brainstorm would be just closing a time loop that already happened, and if he was a dedicated COn... why would he do that after Megs surrendered? Wouldn't NOT doing it and watching the paradox destroying the universe be more in line with his mad scientist persona?



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:17 AM

Two things that intrigue me:

 

First, I'm pretty sure that some of those shapes in the past are female Cybertronians. I wonder how that connects to Barber's retcon that females were somehow lost and forgotten in the past.

 

Second, just who did Whirl kill? You KNOW that has to be important.

Well, we know there were female bodytypes running around at that time - they were background extras in Megatron Origin.

 

How that reconciles with Arcee has never really been fully explained, unless once Jhiaxus rediscovered females, they made it into the population as a trial balloon.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:20 AM

So the question I've yet to see anyone touch on... how did Hammer and Anvil KNOWING impact the timeline we all know and love? After all, it's specifically called out that Chromedome can't mindwipe them.

 

They may be grunts, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the attacking 'bots are time travelers by how the LL crew are talking. And there's a few key things that got spilled, like them being there to arrest Shockwave in a year.

 

...unless, of course, THIS is the "juicy intel" that the Senate got re: Shockwave, that in a year he'd slip up.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:28 AM

So the question I've yet to see anyone touch on... how did Hammer and Anvil KNOWING impact the timeline we all know and love? After all, it's specifically called out that Chromedome can't mindwipe them.

 

They may be grunts, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the attacking 'bots are time travelers by how the LL crew are talking. And there's a few key things that got spilled, like them being there to arrest Shockwave in a year.

 

...unless, of course, THIS is the "juicy intel" that the Senate got re: Shockwave, that in a year he'd slip up.

 

Having not read this yet, are those two the "Heavies"? They guys Orion kills in the Shockwave/Matrix plot flashback? Yeah, they seemed to have a combined intelligence score of 1 so I would not worry about them understanding anything. :D



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:53 AM

Regarding the Heavies:

From #37 – "I don't want them being tipped off about future events—"
From #11 – "Best. Tip off. Ever."

The emphasis in the first quote is Roberts'. Yup.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 12:01 PM

For trivia-watchers, one of the cadets in the bar mentions "The Progenitors" - which, in Eugenesis, was the name of the precursors of the Quintessons.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 12:27 PM

Having not read this yet, are those two the "Heavies"? They guys Orion kills in the Shockwave/Matrix plot flashback? Yeah, they seemed to have a combined intelligence score of 1 so I would not worry about them understanding anything. :D

 

This clip seems on topic. 
 

 

 

 

Another great issue. I'm pretty sure Brainstorm's plan was to only kill Megatron if he had to. Up until the end of the issue, Brainstorm's goal seems to be to just avert the war. In other words, we aren't dealing with a let's kill Hitler plot, but rather a let's stop Hitler gaining power plot.