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@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:54 PM)

If it's seasonal affective disorder, check with your doc about vitamin D supplements.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:46 PM)

That's what I was thinking too, It's the christmas rush and if that's not stressful enough the cold weather can also impact mental health.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 12:41 PM)

Might be a stupid question given the comment, BUT: have you done anything outside the ordinary lately? Might just be a stress reaction.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I've experienced sleep paralysis with ghostly images and similar things in the past and can snap out of it through moving my fingers. I've definitely hallucinated before and members of both sides of the family have had similar experience, some suffered forms of mental instability in two cases schizophrenia.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:47 AM)

So... either a hallucination or night terrors. Are you prone to this kind of thing?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:55 PM)

It kept repeating until I sat up.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:54 PM)

I've been up since three and when sheepish I was hallucinating something knocking twice against my bedroom door.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 December 2019 - 06:58 PM)

Then repaint Apeface and Snapdragon as Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron. It's crazy enough to work.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Moral imperative.

@  Nevermore : (07 December 2019 - 05:13 PM)

Wishful thinking, rumor or leak?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Snapdragon for Earthrise.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.


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#21 Cybersnark

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 04:28 PM

Well, there are advantages/disadvantages to each origin:

Supergirl I: an attempt at a clone of Superman, created from the Kryptonian birthing matrix that carried him to Earth (thus her nickname, "Mae," from "Matrix"). Problem: this requires the Post-Crisis origin (no mere rocket ship), though I guess Kal-El carrying the Kryptonian gene-MacGuffin could be used instead. The question would be how to extract it from him (or he might create Supergirl himself since he obviously finds no companionship from humans).

Supergirl II (PAD's run): Matrix-Supergirl merged with a dying human girl (Linda Danvers), and became an Earth-Born Angel. Problem: draws heavily on supernatural themes (which might make a cool crossover with Constantine, admittedly), and requires Mae to have existed (though, if they use Constantine as an in, they could sidestep the Matrix entirely and have "Supergirl" as a cosmic entity that possesses Linda).

Supergirl III: Kara Zor-El, Kal-El's cousin. This is the "iconic" Supergirl, but it naturally carries the question of "where's Superman?" The trouble here would be the choice between trying to fit it into the pre-existing Snyderverse or doing a "soft reboot" which might confuse the idiots in the audience ("so, there's a Superman, but he's not Superman? What was the movie for?" --see how people are scratching their heads over Arrow being connected to MoS being connected to the Nolan Batman movies :rolleyes ).

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:06 PM

I personally hope for the Kara Zor-El version or something like it.


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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:15 PM

On the one hand I think PAD's run is probably easily the best written run on the character ever, but yeah stories are sadly predicated on the least accessible version of the character. And Kara is easily the simplest, most well known, and most iconic version of her. "Superman's younger cousin' is really what Supergirl should always be.

 

 

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:32 PM

If it ends up being some wretched teen drama, as surely it will, the cover of PAD's first issue would be a great foundation for promo images.

 

 

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

Be nice if this could become CW's new Buffy.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:54 PM

 

What do I think about this?  I say we better hope this does not become another horrible teen drama.  If it's like Smallville, I will live with that, but I will not tolerate a Supergirl show that pretends to be like Sabrina The Teenage Witch.

 

I don't think being like Sabrina would be a huge problem -- DC could use something fun and accessible that isn't angsty and broody (which I don't recall Sabrina being, but I never did see a lot of it). But on the whole, if we're looking for something to pattern it after, I guess a toned-down Buffy would be pretty cool. 

 

And yup. As much as I liked PAD's Supergirl era, I agree with Zac in that applying its storytelling strengths to the classic/iconic/simplest character iteration would be the way to go.

 

Just... let this be fun, guys, please.



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Posted 09 September 2014 - 04:47 AM

Hmmm, as long as it is nothing like Smallville... I would probably check it out. Arrow and Flash are stand-alone heroes who make sense in their private universe/city, but Supergirl doesn't really work without establishing Superman first.

However, I doubt they would use the movie universe... or Smallville. They will maybe even make the GASP-inducing choice to have Supergirl arrive and be active on Earth BEFORE Superman. I mean, based on what we saw from Arrow, Batman certainly doesn't exist yet, so Ollie did the whole vigilante thing first.

 

Cybersnark - thanks for giving a comprehensive breakdown of the three! Having read iconic stories featuring them but not the whole DC run, I never understood why there were so many origins for her - I thought she ALWAYS was Supes' cousin, like in TAS, since that made the most sense. I remember seeing her as an angel in the Emperor Joker story and not knowing what the heck that was... or seeing her seemingly just being introduced in the Superman-Batman Public Enemies spinoff as if she was a new character. (Never understood whether those stories were canon or not, 'cause they seem to contradict prior events as much as the new 52 reboot did). What does PAD stand for, though?

 

 

I have to disagree on that maruten.

I enjoyed Snyders MoS despite its flaws.

Kellys WW comes across a self-righteous psycho who will torture and beatdown anyone who gets in her way because she is in the right. The police are incompetant, the media adores her and believes she can do no wrong. Plus she has three seperate identities.

 

Agreed. it was basically Frank Miller's version of Wonder Woman, except, y'know, the 'being a prostitute' part. "Pants to be darkened!" :D


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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:08 AM

What about Arrow makes you think Batman isn't active yet? There's nothing in-show that leans one way or the other barring that brief blink and you'll miss it Harley Quinn in the Suicide Squad episode.

Having Supergirl arrive before Superman. Wouldn't that just create more headaches for the DC universe on screen? I mean, you'd end up giving her a very Superman ish evolution as she gets raised to be good while discovering her powers and making her superhero identity right? Rather than have him be the mentor who shows her the ropes.

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:52 AM

Just common logic. Cops would mention that "now we have a nutter vigilante like Gotham does" and "at least ours dresses as Robin Hood and not as Dracula". :D It's what'd happen.



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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:55 AM

thanks for giving a comprehensive breakdown of the three! Having read iconic stories featuring them but not the whole DC run, I never understood why there were so many origins for her - I thought she ALWAYS was Supes' cousin, like in TAS, since that made the most sense. I remember seeing her as an angel in the Emperor Joker story and not knowing what the heck that was... or seeing her seemingly just being introduced in the Superman-Batman Public Enemies spinoff as if she was a new character. (Never understood whether those stories were canon or not, 'cause they seem to contradict prior events as much as the new 52 reboot did). What does PAD stand for, though?

 

Well before Crisis she always was Superman's cousin. What happened is with the post-Crisis reinvention of Superman one of DC's big points was that he be the ONLY survivor of Krypton. So when they eventually got around to wanting to use Supergirl they had to create one that was non-kryptonian. That lead to a weird and rather convoluted origin for Matrix-Supergirl. Then many years later when that version of the character had kinda run its boring course PAD reinvented her in his new series by merging her with Linda and adding the Supernatural/Angel stuff. This was a great series but the merging took the already complicated and counter intuitive Matrix origin and added a complicated supernatural layer of separate complication.

 

And then one day a DC exec. (was it Dido? I don't recall) rode a DC theme park ride that had everybody's origin illustrated in a panel or two on the wall and realized that Supergirl's origin of the time was a huge mess that you could never explain well in an iconic image or two like that and decided that had to be fixed. So they got rid of the previous Supergirl (I forget how) and reintroduced Kara as if she were a new concept.

 

 

Anyway PAD is Peter (Aaron) David a popular comic writer best known for long runs on The Incredible Hulk, Aquaman, and X-factor among other books and a big swath of Star Trek novels.

 

 

-ZacWilliam, back in Middle and High School he was probably my favorite author of all time but I have to admit I sadly haven't kept up with many of his books for the last decade or so...   


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Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:14 AM

Harley means that Batman kinda has to exist in the Arrowverse, since Harley requires the Joker to both (A) exist and (B) have been sent to Arkham at least once. It might be early enough in his career that people still think he's an urban legend, though.

And Kara doesn't need Superman as much as you'd think: unlike Kal-El, she was old enough to be active on Krypton, so the bulk of her education could've happened there.

This doesn't even need to be in the Arrowverse; they could skip ahead to when Superman is already well-established and have Supergirl as his apprentice (having to struggle with all the things he's already mastered), leaving Clark as a supporting character.

Hell, they could even do a "Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes" thing and have this series take place in the far future.

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 05:16 PM

It can be like the New 52. Batman was the first costumed hero. He existed for about 5 years before Superman but was considered a myth.


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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:24 PM

"It can be like the new 52" is not really a phrase I want DC to have echoing in their heads.

 

 

-ZacWilliam, I mean I'm sure it could but...


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Posted 10 September 2014 - 11:38 AM

Plus, as far as Batman, they can only mention him in show if allowed to be the higher ups. I think.

Good points on Supergirl. I didn't think of it that way. I'm kindof showing my lack of Supergirl comic knowledge again.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:57 PM


And apparently this just got a series order from CBS. Not a pilot order, but a full series order, which apparently means it's pretty much a lock to air.


-ZacWilliam, weird. I would have pegged this as the series least likely to go forward...
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:16 PM

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:03 PM

No, "NCSI: Argo City"

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:18 PM

No, "NCSI: Argo City"

"NCSI"?


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 11:25 PM

And apparently this just got a series order from CBS. Not a pilot order, but a full series order, which apparently means it's pretty much a lock to air.

 

 

Are there are actually going to end up being DC comics-based shows on every US broadcast network? CW has Arrow and Flash, Fox has Gotham, NBC has Constantine, and now this one on CBS. 

 

Although I guess ABC being owned by Disney means they're probably not going to get one of their own, huh? 





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