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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2019 - 10:36 PM)

Ex-Bundeswehr personnel, eh? Fascinating.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (20 October 2019 - 09:43 PM)

TF Roll Out Hot Rod's Presentation is coming real soon!!

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 01:05 PM)

So whenever he addresses his troops, he keeps cracking jokes. Sometimes these jokes are about the blunders he himself had made in his speech the previous day.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 01:01 PM)

At the moment, I'm blessed with a pretty nice superior. He's got a military background, but he takes an oddly entertaining approach to it. Imagine a stand-up comedian who accidentally enlisted as a drill sergeant.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Another type of everyday absurdity: Imagine you're leaving your workplace for your lunchbreak. Upon your return, you discover that your workplace has been cordened and/or gated off during your break, with "construction site" warning signs everywhere. You go to your superior and tell him: "I can no longer access my workplace! Why is there suddenly a construction site?" Your superior takes a surpised look and says: "I don't know, first time I see this." You figure: "Must be a Tuesday, then."

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:51 PM)

It's kind of surreal, really.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:50 PM)

They agree that things are less than ideal, but they acknowledge that their scope of making decisions is limited. Oddly, I keep getting that regardless of how high up the chain of command I bother people.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:49 PM)

"I hear you, but you know how it is, there's nothing I can do about it." That's it, basically.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2019 - 06:40 AM)

What's it like to have management that's willing to listen to things they don't want to hear? I've never seen that.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:41 AM)

I manage to argue within the company's own internal logic and point out the flaws, shortcomings and discrepancies between "official company policy" and "everyday company reality".

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:40 AM)

Many of my coworkers are scared to even talk to managers. I often discuss company matters with them I disagree with, and it isn't a rare occurrence that they say "yeah, you're right..."

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:38 AM)

I know how to watch my tone, and I prefer to keep things straightforward and factual, never to attack the person, always the problem itself.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:37 AM)

The good thing for me is ever since a minor hiccup many years ago when I was still non-permanent, I've always managed to along just fine with my various superiors (I've been through over a dozen already). And that's despite my outspokenness, my blunt honesty and my oftentimes harsh criticism.

@  Sabrblade : (18 October 2019 - 11:04 PM)

With visuals presented by the Cybernet Space Cube

@  Dekafox : (18 October 2019 - 04:51 PM)

And don't forget to sign up for a cybersecurity seminar while you're there

@  Dekafox : (18 October 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Well you can always strap on some cyberlimbs and go into cyberspace for a cyberpunk experience

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 October 2019 - 04:28 PM)

You know that "cyber" doesn't mean "cyborg", right?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 October 2019 - 04:16 PM)

So where's the Cyborgs on CYBERtron?

@  The Doctor Who : (18 October 2019 - 03:47 PM)

Click here and we can send you notifications about your desire to discontinue notifications!

@  Benbot : (18 October 2019 - 10:40 AM)

Why does every damn website want to send me notifications? NO, no one wants your popups! Quit asking!

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Amazon in the US has pretty good benefits, though, and even the temp workers had forty hours a week to start with. Even with minimum wage, that's pretty good pay.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2019 - 01:20 AM)

Oh, the turnover rates are high here as well.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Amazon.com and .ca, on the other hand, can be pretty terrible. I know from your squawkbox posts that you guys have your issues with Amazon over there, although you're lucky to have stronger government regulations and a union there. I gather the warehouse workers in the USA and Canada have it pretty crappy, with very high turnover, close to minimum wage pay, and no unions

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 09:38 PM)

Amazon.de doesn't really have the same issue. I've ordered from them (and UK, FR, IT and JP) several times, and their packaging is much better

@  Nevermore : (17 October 2019 - 05:22 PM)

I'm not sure how it works on the customer's end. As packers, we sometimes have items that are flagged as "overwrap", which means we absolutely have to put them into a box even if they're already in pretty sturdy manufacturer packaging.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 03:05 PM)

Yeah, I really do wish amazon had an option to upgrade packaging for an extra buck or something. I hate their bubble mailers

@  Benbot : (17 October 2019 - 07:17 AM)

That's how it works. I just hope my order from Amazon doesn't arrive crushed because they idiotically stuffed it in an envelope.

@  Telly : (16 October 2019 - 10:48 PM)

my walmart is acting true to form. as soon as mirage arrives from amazon, my walmart gets his entire wave in after months of having wave 1 clogging the pegs....

@  Nevermore : (16 October 2019 - 05:18 PM)

I stirred up some trouble at work, complained about the blatant neglect of employee safety. Was asked to take photos and write down the locations so the matter could be properly escalated. Made me feel a little better.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 October 2019 - 02:55 PM)

I got stabbed in the eyelid by a mudwasp, pulled down a tree, and then got ice cream. You know, all told: not a bad day.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 October 2019 - 09:17 AM)

Burrunjor

@  Paladin : (15 October 2019 - 08:04 AM)

your mom.

@  Benbot : (15 October 2019 - 08:02 AM)

What's your favorite Paleolithic megafauna?

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:06 PM)

Together with the Rhino G1 sets, probably the most expensive DVDs I ever bought

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:01 PM)

I've still got the age-old Rhino sets

@  Telly : (14 October 2019 - 09:09 PM)

i didnt find that at any of the ones around here, so i had to settle for seasons 1 and 2 of duckman for $3

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 07:45 PM)

Heck, I got the season 2/3 set for $3 (?) from a Dollar General discount bin :p

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 07:29 PM)

The series is pretty cheap on DVD, too, which at least will work internet or no. The complete series set seems to be OOP, but there's a Season 1 set as well as a combined 2 & 3 set.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Woot! Beast wars!

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 06:08 PM)

Yay! Tubi now has the first season of Rescue Bots and the full run of Beast Wars FINALLY available.

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 02:16 PM)

Just like me in a game of Civilization. Don't have gunpowder? Time for your cities to burn.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 01:51 PM)

He dubbed the peoples that saw him as bad news cannibals and savages before enslaving and wiping them out too.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 01:40 PM)

And if they had been unfriendly: he would have simply slaughtered them with diseases they couldn't fight, and technology they couldn't match until they as a people did not exist. There's something about european backgrounds that drive us to exploit.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 11:02 AM)

He described the peoples he encountered as some of the most friendly and giving in the world, so naturally, he ate all their food, enslaved them and put them to work looking for gold that did not exist, until they as a people did not exist.

@  Paladin : (14 October 2019 - 09:57 AM)

he landed by coincidence in front of long-term residents.

@  Sabrblade : (14 October 2019 - 09:55 AM)

He said the world was round-o! (He said the world was round-o!) He said it could be found-o! (He said it could be found-o!) That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo! (That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo!)

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 09:22 AM)

In the year 1492, Columbus gave us the day off skoo

@  Noideaforaname : (14 October 2019 - 08:59 AM)

How often do people actually celebrate Columbus or the Pilgrims? Usually it just feels like celebrating the first break in the school year and a nice dinner with the family.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 08:29 AM)

You've got like two more weeks until the american thanksgiving. Canadian thanksgiving is literally a harvest festival.

@  CVReynolds : (14 October 2019 - 08:09 AM)

Hey, everyone. Come together to enjoy this national holiday made to celebrate a mass-murderer who never set foot in the USA. What fun!


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#2441 Glenn

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 03:44 PM

Congrats to both of you!



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Posted 10 May 2019 - 06:33 PM

Yeah, congrats! Emotional changes will probably come much faster than physical ones and they're kind of awesome. I've described it as feeling more awake and that's been really driven home the few times I've missed my pills and felt awful. I can't go back, now that I know what it feels like to not be running on T. It turns out it stresses your brain to hell if it's not getting the hormones it's set up for.

 

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#2443 Rycochet

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:58 PM

https://imgur.com/a/VHU6bmG Someone fighting the good fight against idiocy with delightful stickers.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 04:13 AM

Nearly 3 weeks in, and my skin feels a lot softer :) My body hair is still dark though; how long does it usually take before it starts getting thinner/lighter?



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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:06 AM

That will require more than just HRT.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:05 AM

Well, body hair does get lighter and thinner on HRT, it's facial hair that ends up barely affected. I don't remember how long it takes to happen, unfortunately.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 06:03 PM

Some people get some reductions, probably mostly due to slower growth, but those hairs sadly don't really convert back. Laser is highly recommended.

 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 11:12 PM

Hm. So, can I talk a little about the Cyberpunk 2077 kerfuffle?

 

Apparently there's a fake ad in the far-flung cyberpunk dystopian future game, features a trans model in... Ridiculous fashion who is *very*excited about a beverage.

 

And people are upset about it, of course.

 

But, I mean... Well. Orangina ads.

 

It's the far-flung future where corporations are basically unfettered, and we've proven today we'll fetishize anything to sell fruit juice.

 

I guess I'm just confused, because... I mean. "Welcome to acceptance, we're gonna be tarting you up to sell crap to you now"?


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 12:13 AM

I was wondering if that was going to be brought up. It seems to me like subtle representation. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it - only someone who found it did. It doesn't seem to be any sort of mockery or transphobia. It's just "there" which is kind of the point of diversity, right?

 

Well, I'm not so sure. It *is* a dystopian fictional universe so there's really no limits to what might exist there. But to me the message, like most ads, is rather subliminal when you consider the drink  slogan is "Mix it up"

 

I'm not sure what to make of a fake ad in a fake universe. but I'm very curious as to what your opinions are about it. 


Here's the Cyberpunk 2077 ad in question

 

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 04:48 AM

https://www.polygon....ekt-red-e3-2019

 

The artist of the piece came out and explained that the image was meant to be commentary on corporations and advertising.

 

I'm a little torn. On one hand, it certainly fits the setting, it's believable. But including an image of a hypersexualized trans person is about as bad as a hypersexualized black person - both groups have had to deal with being stereotyped in that way, and being fetishized as a result. And trans representation done by non-trans people is one of those things that's just like throwing a rock at a bee hive, where the hive is Twitter.

 

Either way, I'm not going to get super worked up over it. It's just... eh. I feel like they really shouldn't have been surprised this would be controversial.


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:27 AM

It's just... I mean we *do* remember Beer Commercials, right?
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:59 AM

That is where I'm leaning on this. The idea of 'sex sells' has been around for as long as advertising has. While that role has traditionally been filled by using cis, fit , white women in advertising, it has certainly shifted in the real world to women of different sizes, women of color, and even men. 

 

In this fictional world, going by what the art director said in that article linked above, it's pretty clear that the fictional company is being depicted as pandering to the fictional population in a way that gives them something to relate to in order to sell the product. 

 

I personally think that using a trans model in an ad to sell beer (or whatever energy drink that is) without commentary would *normalize* trans women to the point that they become a part of the landscape of society. 

 

Ask yourself this - would you want to live in a world, the real world, where if you see a billboard with a trans model on it but the focus is the product and not whether the model is trans or not? Because that's what normalization is. LGBTQ and minority depictions always seem to run parallel to me. But if you see a black woman on a billboard today you don't even acknowledge that there's a black woman up there. You just interpret it as "What are they selling?"  That most certainly wasn't the case 50 years ago. So to me, I think treating the likeness of a sexy trans model the same as any woman to generate sales is a good thing. Now, whether or not that type of selling in and of itself is a good thing is a totally different issue. 

 

In the end though, I don't know that we can really draw a full conclusion of the game world based on a single background poster in the expanse of the entire game. 



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 01:06 PM

I agree that normalization of trans representation is a good thing, but this really isn't the kind of representation I'd go with.

Androgyny? Yes.
Bulging genitalia barely covered by a thin layer of spandex? Ugh, please no.

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 01:21 PM

It doesn't help the optics that cyberpunk as a genre is easy to read as anti-trans, since there's usually a theme of 'body modification corrupts humanity'.

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 02:13 PM

Yeah, the Kotaku article (written by a trans author) touches on that:

While the cyberpunk genre does focus on corporate manipulation, it's also a genre colored by the anxieties of the time it was created. In Cyberpunk as a tabletop roleplaying game, a mechanic called Humanity denotes someone's fundamental connection to their body and their human nature. This value can be reduced to dangerous levels with too many cyber-modifications. Sex changes also lower a player's Humanity score in some rulebooks for Cyberpunk 2020. Players with a low enough Humanity enter into a violent state called cyberpsychosis. In real life, trans people don't need to worry about going cyber-psychotic. (Shocking, I know!) I just take my hormones every day and enjoy fantastic benefits like softer skin. We'll have to wait until Cyberpunk 2077 comes out to see how much humanity, sex changes, or cyberpsychosis will be incorporated.



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 06:00 PM

Given that cis women have been dealing with creepy oversexualization in marketing for years, this might be a sign we're being more accepted as women. The bad news is that society has serious issues with how it treats ALL women.

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:14 PM

Gals with packages have been a long standing fetish. I have no horse in this race, but I find that kind of advertisement as not all that outlandish.

 

It's tasteless and tacky, but if we are to believe the artist behind the piece, that's the entire point.

 

EDIT: Removed a meaningless tangent.


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:57 PM

Honestly I was fine with the Ad even before the explanation. I mean it's a fake universe but by all means please recognize were a thing and try and sell us stuff by using idealized imagery.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:09 AM

When it's hypersexualized advertising, isn't it less of targeting the kind of person featured in the ad and more of targeting the kind of person who is attracted to the person featured in the ad?

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:44 AM

I mean tbf in my case I'm both those people so.. I still end up being the one marketed towards.

 

but really It probably depends on the product. Idealized woman pushing makeup or idealized man adverting the gym is obviously still trying to market to the group they are sexualizing.

 

The snag with trans people and advertising is that in the end you have to signal that the person you are using for the ad spot is trans somehow either by picking someone who don't pass visually or audibly, or or picking someone who does pass but you out some other way. In either event you come out looking kinda sleazy. In a static 2d ad there especially isn't any tasteful way to do it, bulging arousal or no, because you just have that one frame to advertise in. So you wanna say "This is a trans model and trans people you should buy this".. well at the very least my mind can't think of a way to do that without it coming across as vulgar in one way or another.





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