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The Official Unofficial Allspark Transgender Thread: Everyone is welcome!transgender gender identity
Posted 10 May 2019 - 06:33 PM
Yeah, congrats! Emotional changes will probably come much faster than physical ones and they're kind of awesome. I've described it as feeling more awake and that's been really driven home the few times I've missed my pills and felt awful. I can't go back, now that I know what it feels like to not be running on T. It turns out it stresses your brain to hell if it's not getting the hormones it's set up for.
Edited by Ashley, 11 May 2019 - 05:58 PM.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 11:12 PM
Hm. So, can I talk a little about the Cyberpunk 2077 kerfuffle?
Apparently there's a fake ad in the far-flung cyberpunk dystopian future game, features a trans model in... Ridiculous fashion who is *very*excited about a beverage.
And people are upset about it, of course.
But, I mean... Well. Orangina ads.
It's the far-flung future where corporations are basically unfettered, and we've proven today we'll fetishize anything to sell fruit juice.
I guess I'm just confused, because... I mean. "Welcome to acceptance, we're gonna be tarting you up to sell crap to you now"?
Posted 13 June 2019 - 12:13 AM
I was wondering if that was going to be brought up. It seems to me like subtle representation. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it - only someone who found it did. It doesn't seem to be any sort of mockery or transphobia. It's just "there" which is kind of the point of diversity, right?
Well, I'm not so sure. It *is* a dystopian fictional universe so there's really no limits to what might exist there. But to me the message, like most ads, is rather subliminal when you consider the drink slogan is "Mix it up"
I'm not sure what to make of a fake ad in a fake universe. but I'm very curious as to what your opinions are about it.
Here's the Cyberpunk 2077 ad in question
Posted 13 June 2019 - 04:48 AM
The artist of the piece came out and explained that the image was meant to be commentary on corporations and advertising.
I'm a little torn. On one hand, it certainly fits the setting, it's believable. But including an image of a hypersexualized trans person is about as bad as a hypersexualized black person - both groups have had to deal with being stereotyped in that way, and being fetishized as a result. And trans representation done by non-trans people is one of those things that's just like throwing a rock at a bee hive, where the hive is Twitter.
Either way, I'm not going to get super worked up over it. It's just... eh. I feel like they really shouldn't have been surprised this would be controversial.
Edited by Patch, 13 June 2019 - 04:50 AM.
Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:59 AM
That is where I'm leaning on this. The idea of 'sex sells' has been around for as long as advertising has. While that role has traditionally been filled by using cis, fit , white women in advertising, it has certainly shifted in the real world to women of different sizes, women of color, and even men.
In this fictional world, going by what the art director said in that article linked above, it's pretty clear that the fictional company is being depicted as pandering to the fictional population in a way that gives them something to relate to in order to sell the product.
I personally think that using a trans model in an ad to sell beer (or whatever energy drink that is) without commentary would *normalize* trans women to the point that they become a part of the landscape of society.
Ask yourself this - would you want to live in a world, the real world, where if you see a billboard with a trans model on it but the focus is the product and not whether the model is trans or not? Because that's what normalization is. LGBTQ and minority depictions always seem to run parallel to me. But if you see a black woman on a billboard today you don't even acknowledge that there's a black woman up there. You just interpret it as "What are they selling?" That most certainly wasn't the case 50 years ago. So to me, I think treating the likeness of a sexy trans model the same as any woman to generate sales is a good thing. Now, whether or not that type of selling in and of itself is a good thing is a totally different issue.
In the end though, I don't know that we can really draw a full conclusion of the game world based on a single background poster in the expanse of the entire game.
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 02:13 PM
While the cyberpunk genre does focus on corporate manipulation, it's also a genre colored by the anxieties of the time it was created. In Cyberpunk as a tabletop roleplaying game, a mechanic called Humanity denotes someone's fundamental connection to their body and their human nature. This value can be reduced to dangerous levels with too many cyber-modifications. Sex changes also lower a player's Humanity score in some rulebooks for Cyberpunk 2020. Players with a low enough Humanity enter into a violent state called cyberpsychosis. In real life, trans people don't need to worry about going cyber-psychotic. (Shocking, I know!) I just take my hormones every day and enjoy fantastic benefits like softer skin. We'll have to wait until Cyberpunk 2077 comes out to see how much humanity, sex changes, or cyberpsychosis will be incorporated.
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 06:00 PM
Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:14 PM
Gals with packages have been a long standing fetish. I have no horse in this race, but I find that kind of advertisement as not all that outlandish.
It's tasteless and tacky, but if we are to believe the artist behind the piece, that's the entire point.
EDIT: Removed a meaningless tangent.
Edited by Rust, 13 June 2019 - 08:22 PM.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:44 AM
I mean tbf in my case I'm both those people so.. I still end up being the one marketed towards.
but really It probably depends on the product. Idealized woman pushing makeup or idealized man adverting the gym is obviously still trying to market to the group they are sexualizing.
The snag with trans people and advertising is that in the end you have to signal that the person you are using for the ad spot is trans somehow either by picking someone who don't pass visually or audibly, or or picking someone who does pass but you out some other way. In either event you come out looking kinda sleazy. In a static 2d ad there especially isn't any tasteful way to do it, bulging arousal or no, because you just have that one frame to advertise in. So you wanna say "This is a trans model and trans people you should buy this".. well at the very least my mind can't think of a way to do that without it coming across as vulgar in one way or another.
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