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@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 05:28 PM)

And a better headsculpt.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2017 - 05:23 PM)

It actually has half decent gimmicks too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2017 - 04:03 PM)

It's still crap but at least it takes up less space.

@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 10:31 AM)

I'd rather have Armada Sideswipe than Alternator Sideswipe.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 June 2017 - 09:50 AM)

What he's really doing is buying all the sideswipe, so that after the apocolypse.. He'll have an army to take ove the world!

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2017 - 09:00 AM)

We could be taking this the wrong way. What if this person means to sacrifice their own money to prevent Armada Sideswipes from falling into the hands of those who don't know better?

@  Rycochet : (24 June 2017 - 06:26 AM)

People say silly things online all the time, usually followed by a smilie or a wink. Take away the context and they go from being a joke to absurd hyperbole.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2017 - 06:07 AM)

But that would miss the entire point of hyperbole.

@  Pennpenn : (24 June 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Well that's a stupid attitude from someone who would waste a lot of money. I mean, they should just... not buy movie toys?

@  Bass X0 : (24 June 2017 - 04:52 AM)

Most insane thing I read of the day: "I would rather buy 100 Armada Sideswipes and PRiD Airachnids than buy any Bayformers crap"

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:10 PM)

His dialogue is full of allusions to his infamous lookalike, though sometimes as subversions. Oh, and sometimes he sings Karaoke. Check his rendition of "My Way", it's on Youtube.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:09 PM)

The entire idea behind the character is that he looks and talks like Hitler, but is actually a good guy. Maybe with a dickish attitude, but he's not the villain.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:08 PM)

Alfons Hatler is a supporting character from a German Edgar Wallace parody movie and its sequel.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 06:07 PM)

I'd like to remind everyone that Alfons Hatler exists, which is all sorts of awesome.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 05:41 PM)

See, you say that and you know there's new a bubsy game coming. Don't make us keep re-baselining our horror reactions.

@  Sean Whitmore : (23 June 2017 - 03:31 PM)

Epilogue is the worst thing to happen to mankind. And I'm including, like, all the wars and stuff.

@  Evac : (23 June 2017 - 02:11 PM)

... Did Linkara cover that one?

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 01:50 PM)

the comics where Barbara quit being Batgirl after she was beaten into a miscarriage.

@  Boomhauer : (23 June 2017 - 01:20 PM)

His choice to be Batman had more punch when he was a completely normal guy met with the same dillema instead of the DNA garbage that muddies the message for no other reason than to give Old Bruce another ass-kiss before the show is over. It's a boring episode whose entire concept is repeating things already known and spark Squawkbox arguments.

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 01:11 PM)

But he still chose to be batman. Not only did he chose to be batman, he did it better.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 June 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I have to agree.. Part of the problem with Epilogue is it takes away from "Terry CHOSE to be batman" and changed it a bit to "Terry was designed to be batman."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Do you mean the DCAU continuity comics or Future's End?

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 11:36 AM)

can we all at least agree it's a better ending for Batman Beyond than the comics?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 10:52 AM)

There was no evidence of it to support it in the show, and generally using someone to MAKE a batman is a jerkish thing to do.

@  Benbot : (23 June 2017 - 10:37 AM)

why does it matter?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 June 2017 - 10:25 AM)

I think the problem with Epilogue was making Terry effectivly Batman's son.

@  Benbot : (23 June 2017 - 10:24 AM)

what's your problem with it?

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 10:02 AM)

Epilogue give a great end to Batman Beyond and even has a Mask of the Phantasm character

@  MrBlud : (23 June 2017 - 09:55 AM)

I don't post in the Shoutbox often, but when I do, it's to confirm "Epilogue" is garbage.

@  Paladin : (23 June 2017 - 08:43 AM)

even "Epilogue" ? (braces for that argument again)

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Its a really great show.

@  The Predaking : (23 June 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Justice League unlimited

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2017 - 08:14 AM)

Sprinkles or nothing!

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2017 - 07:06 AM)

>_< 3 hrs, $5,628 to go for the Two Scoops Kickstarter http://kck.st/2qgIkCd

@  wonko the sane? : (23 June 2017 - 06:16 AM)

Yeah, miles is only used when accuracy doesn't actually matter, or we're dealing with americans.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2017 - 03:55 AM)

We even use "miles" in similar contexts in German even though we use kilometers for actual measurements.

@  The Doctor Who : (23 June 2017 - 02:40 AM)

Makes sense, really. Colloquialisms exist in their own weird little universe where terminology can persist after it's no longer relevant otherwise.

@  abates : (23 June 2017 - 01:17 AM)

We also measure car milage in kilometres but still call it milage.

@  Bass X0 : (22 June 2017 - 05:47 PM)

No. We still say miles. Kilometers is only really used for actual specific distances whereas miles being used in a common phrase is still miles.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 June 2017 - 04:59 PM)

People from outside the U.S.: as we are all English-proficient here, do you ever use the phrase "I saw it coming from miles away.", or do you say "kilometers" instead?

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:06 PM)

Wow, that was supposed to :shout" hours ago...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 04:05 PM)

Indeed. Especially on opening week. We're talking avg, 5-8%. It's more at your discount/sub-run houses.

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 June 2017 - 10:25 AM)

AMC knows it, freakin $7 for a regular drink

@  Paladin : (22 June 2017 - 08:22 AM)

and if you want to support your theaters, buy more concessions. because they get SHIT from the ticket sales...

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:15 AM)

So, we charged an extra $1 per. F'em

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:13 AM)

First, they threatened to stop sending us digital because we weren't upcharging for it (back when we were still "mixed" format). Then they threatened to stop sendingus 3D because we didn't upcharge for those either initially.

@  Hg Dragon : (22 June 2017 - 08:12 AM)

Can't blame the theater totally for those ticket prices. The studios have a say in them as well.

@  Noideaforaname : (22 June 2017 - 12:00 AM)

Charge 'em for the lice! Extra for the mice! Two percent for looking in the mirror twice!

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 11:45 PM)

Even here in Canada where price gouging is commonplace, IMAX 3-D is still $19.50

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 June 2017 - 11:44 PM)

$27 a ticket? That's ludicrous


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#21 Steevy Maximus

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:48 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

 

Blade was indicative of nothing aside from being a character that could be made into a film with relative ease with relatively little risk (relatively cheap, though its budget was par for the films Wesley Snipes was doing at the time), and it happened to be successful.  Whether or not Blade had gotten made, it would have made no difference to X-Men, which was FAR more "comic booky" (and riskier) than Blade.

 

What DC truly lacks, is a consistent vision.  Warner Bros is a departmentalized beaurocratic mess of conflicting egos all wanting to do "their own thing" with the same characters.  The movie side doesn't interact with the live action TV side who doesn't talk to the cartoon side who doesn't even get a memo from the comic book guys.  There is no unity, no focus to any project beyond the fiscal results.  There is no ONE person (like Kevin Feige) overseeing anyone one aspect of their properties (short the cluster eff their comic book arm has become), much less multiple.  For good or ill, you can't deny Marvel has done a generally good job of "streamlining" their media so that the Avengers cartoon isn't overly different than the movie, which isn't too far off from the comic book (bearing in mind comics are the LOW end of the totem poll at this stage).

 

Until DC/WB can get THAT issue sorted (HA!), I sincerely don't believe they'll ever be as well received (commercially or critically) as Marvel is now.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 07:46 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

And yet, they haven't.

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

  

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.

 

I think I see the point you are trying to make, I just don't feel Blade is a terribly good example of it.  Blade was just as much a product of the situation of X-Men and Spider-Man: Marvel effectively whored out to whichever studio wanted to pay the cash for certain characters.  It wasn't produced as a "comic book movie" it largely got made as an action vehicle/franchise for Wesley Snipes (which likely contributed more to that film's success than the roots of the material), and Marvel probably didn't see much from it aside from original licensing cost.

Blade certainly didn't make people sit up and say "these comic book things CAN work as movies" the way X-Men did.

 

 

As is, I'm not sure the properties themselves are necessarily an issue at DC, I think it DOES come down to execution and management, which is frequently compromised due to ego and dollar signs.  I still question the property management at DC, as I think almost anything in their portfolio is a solid property, even Green Lantern or Flash.  I think either are viable risks, the problem is that WB isn't properly managing that risk (and FWIW, Disney's live action wing isn't doing much better).

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.

It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan.  Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.  We saw the fallout of that with Green Lantern, which did set up a sequel which will NEVER happen.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.
It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan. Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.

They're cocky. It's a mindset that they can't lose and it's leading them to keep losing. It's also a misuse of resources.

I wonder if sliding comic sales, movies not bringing in what they expected, and the success of Arrow will cause them to rethink things.
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 10:28 AM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 

http://en.wikipedia....les_performance

 

Catch there is that those numbers are only for physical media sales, and I STRONGLY suspect that digital is much bigger for several of those releases.   Marvel really isn't doing much in that realm due to the MCU and a more aggressive TV presence, so I'm not sure there is a valid comparison there.

 

Either way, Warner seems to do "well enough" to keep the Original Features coming (though, probably more as a mindshare thing to offset their piddly TV and film output with those characters).  With the TV and film success,  I don't think Marvel has any pressing need to follow on that front.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

Ugh, seeing Sandman on that list gives me douche chills. Double douche chills if it's being used as just another link in their super hero universe fence.

 

The rest, I'll keep an open mind for anything that isn't a Snyder/Goyer joint. I'd love for movies of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (Shazam is the wizard's name, the New 52 can gargle my nethers) to be good, and Green Lantern/Flash at least has the benefit of being something we didn't see coming.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:48 PM

Apparently Kevin Smith came out and said "That list is correct an I've know about it for awhile."

Make of that what you will.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

Sandman noooooooo.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 01:20 AM

They realy need to have Afflek tell his buddy Smith to shut up. He's not helping anyone with his yap.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:21 AM

I disagree.  Smith is a well recognized figure, a super fan, and a man who knows how to get a base excited.  They're keeping him in the loop just so he can keep dropping bits and riling up the fan base.  He's doing a decent job of keeping this at the forefront of everyone's minds.  

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:10 AM

According to Latino Review's "sources," we'll get our next Batman movie in 2019, when Ben Affleck stars in The Batman.

via: http://www.latino-re...afflecks-batman


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

Secret INSIDE sources? He tell me?? :D


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:16 PM

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.

 

 

The optimistic approach would be razing DC comics to the ground and hoping something better is born from the ashes.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:46 AM

 

Secret INSIDE sources? He tell me?? :D

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:36 AM

Yep, Wonder Woman will finally get her own movie... only after all these other films including the Justice League movie.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:42 AM

Wow, Shazam is totally a movie I would not pay to see.  And I don't want Hollywood writers touching Sandman with a 10' pole.  And Justice League before Flash and Green Lantern?

 

Ooooookay.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:44 AM

Green Lantern already happened! It was boring, so I can understand if you don't remember it!

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

I assume they'll try to forget it happened and reboot with John Stewart since no other major DC characters are black.


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