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@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

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KUP!

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Urkel!

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Steeeeeeeeve.

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Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

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Spongebob!

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KHAAAAAAAN

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Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:48 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

 

Blade was indicative of nothing aside from being a character that could be made into a film with relative ease with relatively little risk (relatively cheap, though its budget was par for the films Wesley Snipes was doing at the time), and it happened to be successful.  Whether or not Blade had gotten made, it would have made no difference to X-Men, which was FAR more "comic booky" (and riskier) than Blade.

 

What DC truly lacks, is a consistent vision.  Warner Bros is a departmentalized beaurocratic mess of conflicting egos all wanting to do "their own thing" with the same characters.  The movie side doesn't interact with the live action TV side who doesn't talk to the cartoon side who doesn't even get a memo from the comic book guys.  There is no unity, no focus to any project beyond the fiscal results.  There is no ONE person (like Kevin Feige) overseeing anyone one aspect of their properties (short the cluster eff their comic book arm has become), much less multiple.  For good or ill, you can't deny Marvel has done a generally good job of "streamlining" their media so that the Avengers cartoon isn't overly different than the movie, which isn't too far off from the comic book (bearing in mind comics are the LOW end of the totem poll at this stage).

 

Until DC/WB can get THAT issue sorted (HA!), I sincerely don't believe they'll ever be as well received (commercially or critically) as Marvel is now.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 07:46 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

And yet, they haven't.

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

  

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.

 

I think I see the point you are trying to make, I just don't feel Blade is a terribly good example of it.  Blade was just as much a product of the situation of X-Men and Spider-Man: Marvel effectively whored out to whichever studio wanted to pay the cash for certain characters.  It wasn't produced as a "comic book movie" it largely got made as an action vehicle/franchise for Wesley Snipes (which likely contributed more to that film's success than the roots of the material), and Marvel probably didn't see much from it aside from original licensing cost.

Blade certainly didn't make people sit up and say "these comic book things CAN work as movies" the way X-Men did.

 

 

As is, I'm not sure the properties themselves are necessarily an issue at DC, I think it DOES come down to execution and management, which is frequently compromised due to ego and dollar signs.  I still question the property management at DC, as I think almost anything in their portfolio is a solid property, even Green Lantern or Flash.  I think either are viable risks, the problem is that WB isn't properly managing that risk (and FWIW, Disney's live action wing isn't doing much better).

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.

It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan.  Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.  We saw the fallout of that with Green Lantern, which did set up a sequel which will NEVER happen.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.
It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan. Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.

They're cocky. It's a mindset that they can't lose and it's leading them to keep losing. It's also a misuse of resources.

I wonder if sliding comic sales, movies not bringing in what they expected, and the success of Arrow will cause them to rethink things.
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 10:28 AM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 

http://en.wikipedia....les_performance

 

Catch there is that those numbers are only for physical media sales, and I STRONGLY suspect that digital is much bigger for several of those releases.   Marvel really isn't doing much in that realm due to the MCU and a more aggressive TV presence, so I'm not sure there is a valid comparison there.

 

Either way, Warner seems to do "well enough" to keep the Original Features coming (though, probably more as a mindshare thing to offset their piddly TV and film output with those characters).  With the TV and film success,  I don't think Marvel has any pressing need to follow on that front.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

Ugh, seeing Sandman on that list gives me douche chills. Double douche chills if it's being used as just another link in their super hero universe fence.

 

The rest, I'll keep an open mind for anything that isn't a Snyder/Goyer joint. I'd love for movies of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (Shazam is the wizard's name, the New 52 can gargle my nethers) to be good, and Green Lantern/Flash at least has the benefit of being something we didn't see coming.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:48 PM

Apparently Kevin Smith came out and said "That list is correct an I've know about it for awhile."

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

Sandman noooooooo.
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Posted 17 June 2014 - 01:20 AM

They realy need to have Afflek tell his buddy Smith to shut up. He's not helping anyone with his yap.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:21 AM

I disagree.  Smith is a well recognized figure, a super fan, and a man who knows how to get a base excited.  They're keeping him in the loop just so he can keep dropping bits and riling up the fan base.  He's doing a decent job of keeping this at the forefront of everyone's minds.  

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:10 AM

According to Latino Review's "sources," we'll get our next Batman movie in 2019, when Ben Affleck stars in The Batman.

via: http://www.latino-re...afflecks-batman



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

Secret INSIDE sources? He tell me?? :D


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:16 PM

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.

 

 

The optimistic approach would be razing DC comics to the ground and hoping something better is born from the ashes.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:46 AM

 

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:36 AM

Yep, Wonder Woman will finally get her own movie... only after all these other films including the Justice League movie.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:42 AM

Wow, Shazam is totally a movie I would not pay to see.  And I don't want Hollywood writers touching Sandman with a 10' pole.  And Justice League before Flash and Green Lantern?

 

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:44 AM

Green Lantern already happened! It was boring, so I can understand if you don't remember it!

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

I assume they'll try to forget it happened and reboot with John Stewart since no other major DC characters are black.


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