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@  unluckiness : (22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Nah, they could tell by the lack of the very distinctive dialogue delivery. They just didn't want to be mean.

@  Dracula : (22 August 2017 - 08:42 AM)

Moon base is fine. I knew the castle was a total loss so I gave Olrox my best cape and told him he could have the throne room. The damn belmonts couldn't tell the difference

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 06:39 AM)

It's probably because that's a direct quote rather than an attempt to self censor

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 August 2017 - 06:26 AM)

"shit" isn't filtered anymore

@  Donocropolis : (22 August 2017 - 05:51 AM)

Elvis doesn't do sh*t.

@  Pennpenn : (22 August 2017 - 03:38 AM)

Fine, though Elvis has a bit of a headache.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 August 2017 - 03:27 AM)

How's his moon base?

@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever


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#21 Steevy Maximus

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:48 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

 

Blade was indicative of nothing aside from being a character that could be made into a film with relative ease with relatively little risk (relatively cheap, though its budget was par for the films Wesley Snipes was doing at the time), and it happened to be successful.  Whether or not Blade had gotten made, it would have made no difference to X-Men, which was FAR more "comic booky" (and riskier) than Blade.

 

What DC truly lacks, is a consistent vision.  Warner Bros is a departmentalized beaurocratic mess of conflicting egos all wanting to do "their own thing" with the same characters.  The movie side doesn't interact with the live action TV side who doesn't talk to the cartoon side who doesn't even get a memo from the comic book guys.  There is no unity, no focus to any project beyond the fiscal results.  There is no ONE person (like Kevin Feige) overseeing anyone one aspect of their properties (short the cluster eff their comic book arm has become), much less multiple.  For good or ill, you can't deny Marvel has done a generally good job of "streamlining" their media so that the Avengers cartoon isn't overly different than the movie, which isn't too far off from the comic book (bearing in mind comics are the LOW end of the totem poll at this stage).

 

Until DC/WB can get THAT issue sorted (HA!), I sincerely don't believe they'll ever be as well received (commercially or critically) as Marvel is now.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 07:46 PM

Umm, DC had freakin' BATMAN.  I don't think there are many more capable of "getting the ball rolling" than the likes of Batman and Superman, two of the most recognizable comic book/superhero icons on the planet.

And yet, they haven't.

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

  

You make a massive point about consistent vision and massive egos. My point is that they're taking the wrong risks, which is why I mentioned Blade. There's stuff that arguably shouldn't even be considered a risk. And I wasn't speaking ill of Marvel at all. They were making the right decisions long before Disney bought them while DC, the ones that have been owned by Time Warner for quite some time, struggle to make movies with their most well known icons.

 

I think I see the point you are trying to make, I just don't feel Blade is a terribly good example of it.  Blade was just as much a product of the situation of X-Men and Spider-Man: Marvel effectively whored out to whichever studio wanted to pay the cash for certain characters.  It wasn't produced as a "comic book movie" it largely got made as an action vehicle/franchise for Wesley Snipes (which likely contributed more to that film's success than the roots of the material), and Marvel probably didn't see much from it aside from original licensing cost.

Blade certainly didn't make people sit up and say "these comic book things CAN work as movies" the way X-Men did.

 

 

As is, I'm not sure the properties themselves are necessarily an issue at DC, I think it DOES come down to execution and management, which is frequently compromised due to ego and dollar signs.  I still question the property management at DC, as I think almost anything in their portfolio is a solid property, even Green Lantern or Flash.  I think either are viable risks, the problem is that WB isn't properly managing that risk (and FWIW, Disney's live action wing isn't doing much better).

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.

It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan.  Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.  We saw the fallout of that with Green Lantern, which did set up a sequel which will NEVER happen.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

For an unproven property, this is NO reason the budget for Green Lantern should have exceeded $200 million (and I heard marketing costs and such added another $100 million on THAT). Iron Man only had a budget of about $150 million.  Hell, NONE of the Marvel films (short Avengers) has had a budget exceed 200 million dollars, and most non-sequels stuck right around $150 million.  Even TRANSFORMERS has managed to keep its budget under 200 million.
It's just not practical to drop THAT kind of cash on every superhero project without some sort of long term plan. Not only is it risky, but it creates an unachievable mark for success.

They're cocky. It's a mindset that they can't lose and it's leading them to keep losing. It's also a misuse of resources.

I wonder if sliding comic sales, movies not bringing in what they expected, and the success of Arrow will cause them to rethink things.
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 10:28 AM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

Does anyone know how well the direct-to-video animated movies have been doing? 

 

It seems like DC's been doing 2 - 3 a year now, whereas I only see 1 a year from Marvel. 

http://en.wikipedia....les_performance

 

Catch there is that those numbers are only for physical media sales, and I STRONGLY suspect that digital is much bigger for several of those releases.   Marvel really isn't doing much in that realm due to the MCU and a more aggressive TV presence, so I'm not sure there is a valid comparison there.

 

Either way, Warner seems to do "well enough" to keep the Original Features coming (though, probably more as a mindshare thing to offset their piddly TV and film output with those characters).  With the TV and film success,  I don't think Marvel has any pressing need to follow on that front.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

Ugh, seeing Sandman on that list gives me douche chills. Double douche chills if it's being used as just another link in their super hero universe fence.

 

The rest, I'll keep an open mind for anything that isn't a Snyder/Goyer joint. I'd love for movies of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (Shazam is the wizard's name, the New 52 can gargle my nethers) to be good, and Green Lantern/Flash at least has the benefit of being something we didn't see coming.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:48 PM

Apparently Kevin Smith came out and said "That list is correct an I've know about it for awhile."

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

Sandman noooooooo.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 01:20 AM

They realy need to have Afflek tell his buddy Smith to shut up. He's not helping anyone with his yap.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:21 AM

I disagree.  Smith is a well recognized figure, a super fan, and a man who knows how to get a base excited.  They're keeping him in the loop just so he can keep dropping bits and riling up the fan base.  He's doing a decent job of keeping this at the forefront of everyone's minds.  

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:10 AM

According to Latino Review's "sources," we'll get our next Batman movie in 2019, when Ben Affleck stars in The Batman.

via: http://www.latino-re...afflecks-batman



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

Secret INSIDE sources? He tell me?? :D


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:16 PM

 

DC must make a change.  It will continue the path it's on now and it will reap moderate success, but nothing like Avengers.  To achieve that level is going to take a complete overhaul of how they do business and build their movies.  I don't see that happening any time soon.

The optimistic mindset would be that skipping any movies for 2015 is because they're trying to fix their process.

 

 

The optimistic approach would be razing DC comics to the ground and hoping something better is born from the ashes.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:46 AM

 

Secret INSIDE sources? He tell me?? :D

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:36 AM

Yep, Wonder Woman will finally get her own movie... only after all these other films including the Justice League movie.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:42 AM

Wow, Shazam is totally a movie I would not pay to see.  And I don't want Hollywood writers touching Sandman with a 10' pole.  And Justice League before Flash and Green Lantern?

 

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:44 AM

Green Lantern already happened! It was boring, so I can understand if you don't remember it!

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

I assume they'll try to forget it happened and reboot with John Stewart since no other major DC characters are black.


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