Traitor Watch - The 45 Thread

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Rhinox

too old for this
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Of all the decisions he's made, that's one I'm fine with. With all the vitriol and angst that he's helped stir up, I can see a reason for that protection.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

The bold ever fight on, their lives echoed in song
Citizen
My only hope is that it makes them easier to round up when someone finally decides to press criminal charges on the whole cluster of them. Not holding my breath, but I can hope sometimes.
 

KidTDragon

Now with hi-res avatar!
Citizen

Not that anything will come of this, but for those who like to cling to the hope that the rich and powerful will get punished for their crimes, here you go.
 

Ironbite4

Active member
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BTW, in case you guys wanted to know, the Orange Piss Pot's many lawyers came up with a 6 point plan to overturn the election and expected Mike Pence to follow it to the letter.


A lawyer working with former President Donald Trump's election legal team worked behind the scenes with former Vice President Mike Pence to create ways he could overturn the 2020 election.


The new book Peril by reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa has revealed that there was a six-stage plan in a two-page memo showing Pence how to subvert the Constitution and invalidate the 2020 election, CNN reported.

The book, which comes out Tuesday, cited lawyer John Eastman's guide that was sent to top Republican Trump allies like Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), while Rudy Giuliani targeted Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to argue the case. Graham laughed at him, Woodward and Costa write.

"You might as well make your case to Queen Elizabeth II. Congress can't do this. You're wasting your time," Lee told Trump's lawyer.
The plan was that Pence would throw out the election results in seven states that Biden won because there were "competing electors." There weren't actually any competing electors from any of the states, as the New York Times reported in December. There were attempts in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada and Michigan but none of the efforts worked.

"A group of people who gather in a room and claim they are electors, as state-party-backed Republicans did in a few states on Monday, have no more authority than if the people reading this article decided that they, too, wanted to be members of the Electoral College," said the Times.

There was an effort to do that in Michigan, but Republican Senate Majority Mike Shirkey refused.

"Michigan law does not include a provision for the Legislature to directly select electors or to award electors to anyone other than the person who received the most votes," his spokesperson said in a statement at the time.

The plot from Eastman would have Pence declare Trump the winner after those states were thrown out. He would then say that no candidates reached 270 votes and he would then throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get a vote. Since Republicans control 26 state delegations they would hand the election to Trump.

Eastman pitched the plan to Pence in the Oval Office on Jan. 4 with Trump.

"You really need to listen to John. He's a respected constitutional scholar. Hear him out," Trump said to Pence.

"The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission -- either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court," Eastman wrote. "The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."

Pence obviously didn't go through with it. He instead reached out to former Vice President Dan Quayle, who told him that there was no room for him to overturn the election.

And here's the plan itself.

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We came so close to an actual dictatorship. Never forget that.

Ironbite-everyone involved should be thrown in jail.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
The mistake was made hundreds of years ago when they assumed a system built on the good faith of all parties would last forever.
 

Rust

Slightly Off
Citizen
Pence was smart enough to realize the minute Trump had secured absolute power, he was surplus to requirements.
This was less Pence not having the balls to pull to the trigger and more that if he did, he'd be replaced by Ivanka before the week was out.
Only reason this didn't work was because Trump didn't sweeten the pot for Pence.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

The bold ever fight on, their lives echoed in song
Citizen
Pence was smart enough to realize the minute Trump had secured absolute power, he was surplus to requirements.
This was less Pence not having the balls to pull to the trigger and more that if he did, he'd be replaced by Ivanka before the week was out.
Only reason this didn't work was because Trump didn't sweeten the pot for Pence.
Considering that the backup plan involved a riot with specific stated goals including Pence's murder, giving him a whole week might be generous.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Been seeing some reports that trump is looking to depose mitch the bitch. Loath as I am to consider anything trump could do as "good" I'm not above accepting shit from him in the name of progress.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
Trump hates McConnell. Perhaps even more than most democrats. McTurtle is one of the few individuals who can and has gotten away with telling Trump to go piss up a rope.

That said, McConnell has more power than just about any other politician currently in Congress. No one save Trump is going to even whisper about pissing him off.
 

Rust

Slightly Off
Citizen
Yeah, Trump hates Mitch mostly because until he himself, when McConnell speaks important people listen.

He wields a power Trump only wishes he could command.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

The bold ever fight on, their lives echoed in song
Citizen
He just wants to know where Mitch got his phylactery and learned to become a lich.

Seriously how is that corpse-faced cretin still alive. Not advocating harm, but......look at him.
 

Pocket

Yep.
Citizen
The mistake was made hundreds of years ago when they assumed a system built on the good faith of all parties would last forever.
Every system assumes on some level that the parties involved won't conspire to dismantle it from within. What's the alternative, making a pact with an elder god to come and hit the cosmic reset button should we fail to maintain rule of law?
 
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